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Wayne Lundberg
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:02 pm
Guest
We just bought a GG5500 Watt gas powered generator from Pep Boys for our
"have welder will travel' business. It failed after four hours of running
just a week after buying it. They refuse to take it back in exchange and
refuse to tell me where I can get it fixed. They say it clearly states on
the box that once out of the store, any problem goes to the factory repair
facility. Which exists by phone only. They claim they need to have an
authorized repair facility review the problem then issue a chit to PepBoys
to replace it if it can't be repaired. The time delay so far has been one
week, and another two weeks expected based on what they say on the phone.

Am wondering if anybody knows of a repair facility in the San Diego or
Temecula or anywhere near here that could do the diagnostics and repair and
we'll pick up the tab. Renting a unit is $65 a day in this market. And we
have jobs waiting in the field. New customers based on having a fully
portable rig.

Any ideas?

Wayne
Gunner
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:49 pm
Guest
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:02:25 GMT, "Wayne Lundberg"
<Waynelund@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Quote:
GG5500


You just discovered the problem with buying a gen set from an autoparts
store. Im surprised you would have done that for a business so dependant
on a welder. Chicom gensets have a limited lifespan in the first
place..cheaply made...



For the same money, you could have bought a decent used gas welder and
stuck on a spool gun.

There is a nice older Miller 200 amp stick welder with a 2 cylinder
engine over at Unicorn Metals in Brea, for $500

Lambert Road at Cypress.

Ive a guy down in Fullerton that buys sells gensets and welding
machines..often goverment surplus. Ill swing in to see him this coming
week and see what he has. He had a Miller New Era LX for $500 last I was
in there. Ran good and welded fine.

Gunner

Political Correctness

A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
Gunner
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:50 pm
Guest
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:02:25 GMT, "Wayne Lundberg"
<Waynelund@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Quote:
We just bought a GG5500 Watt gas powered generator from Pep Boys for our
"have welder will travel' business. It failed after four hours of running
just a week after buying it. They refuse to take it back in exchange and
refuse to tell me where I can get it fixed. They say it clearly states on
the box that once out of the store, any problem goes to the factory repair
facility. Which exists by phone only. They claim they need to have an
authorized repair facility review the problem then issue a chit to PepBoys
to replace it if it can't be repaired. The time delay so far has been one
week, and another two weeks expected based on what they say on the phone.

Am wondering if anybody knows of a repair facility in the San Diego or
Temecula or anywhere near here that could do the diagnostics and repair and
we'll pick up the tab. Renting a unit is $65 a day in this market. And we
have jobs waiting in the field. New customers based on having a fully
portable rig.

Any ideas?

Wayne

Santa Fe Springs..farther north than you want..but try these people


http://www.arcowelder.com/

Gunner

Political Correctness

A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
RoyJ
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:30 pm
Guest
I'd just buy another one and NOT from Pep Boys. Customers come first,
especially when you are starting out. Just tell Pep Boys you want your
money back. If you put it on a credit card, dispute the bill.

At $65 a day on a $650 unit, if you get stuck with the old unit you can
always sell the rebuilt unit for list price minus a couple days of
rental. Just isn't worth getting your blood pressure up.

Wayne Lundberg wrote:
Quote:
We just bought a GG5500 Watt gas powered generator from Pep Boys for our
"have welder will travel' business. It failed after four hours of running
just a week after buying it. They refuse to take it back in exchange and
refuse to tell me where I can get it fixed. They say it clearly states on
the box that once out of the store, any problem goes to the factory repair
facility. Which exists by phone only. They claim they need to have an
authorized repair facility review the problem then issue a chit to PepBoys
to replace it if it can't be repaired. The time delay so far has been one
week, and another two weeks expected based on what they say on the phone.

Am wondering if anybody knows of a repair facility in the San Diego or
Temecula or anywhere near here that could do the diagnostics and repair and
we'll pick up the tab. Renting a unit is $65 a day in this market. And we
have jobs waiting in the field. New customers based on having a fully
portable rig.

Any ideas?

Wayne

Ignoramus18738
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:04 pm
Guest
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:49:33 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
Quote:
You just discovered the problem with buying a gen set from an autoparts
store. Im surprised you would have done that for a business so dependant
on a welder. Chicom gensets have a limited lifespan in the first
place..cheaply made...

For the same money, you could have bought a decent used gas welder and
stuck on a spool gun.

What Gunner said. Chinese generators are not made to be used
seriously, they are sold to unwitting "homeowners", with the
expectation that they will not use them even for a few hours, before
warranty expires.

Good generators cost serious money, are sold by well known companies
like Cummins, Kohler, Honda etc and there is no shortcut (because
making a good generator is expensive).

Chalk this to experience and buy something good, with dealer support,
and expect to pay serious money -- but hopefully once.

i
RDF
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:26 pm
Guest
Quote:
Wayne Lundberg wrote:
We just bought a GG5500 Watt gas powered generator from Pep Boys for our
"have welder will travel' business. It failed after four hours of running
just a week after buying it. They refuse to take it back in exchange and
refuse to tell me where I can get it fixed. They say it clearly states on
the box that once out of the store, any problem goes to the factory
repair
facility. Which exists by phone only. They claim they need to have an
authorized repair facility review the problem then issue a chit to
PepBoys
to replace it if it can't be repaired. The time delay so far has been one
week, and another two weeks expected based on what they say on the phone.

Am wondering if anybody knows of a repair facility in the San Diego or
Temecula or anywhere near here that could do the diagnostics and repair
and
we'll pick up the tab. Renting a unit is $65 a day in this market. And we
have jobs waiting in the field. New customers based on having a fully
portable rig.

Any ideas?

Wayne


Wayne,

If you put it on a credit card. The card company generally offers extended
(hidden is a better word) protection on items like this. Check it out... It
saved me some big bucks with an Am-Ex purchase gone bad. They really went
out of the way to help. I know AMEx, Visa, and MC offer it.. Dispute goes
between the card co. and the vendor. They write it off and stuff it in a tax
write-off benefiting them both and screw us later down the road.

HTH


Respects,

Rob

Fraser Competition Engines
Chicago, IL
Ed Norton
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:29 am
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"RDF" <NT_Geek@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7YSdncZaL_rtTVLYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com...
Quote:

Wayne Lundberg wrote:
We just bought a GG5500 Watt gas powered generator from Pep Boys for our
"have welder will travel' business. It failed after four hours of
running
just a week after buying it. They refuse to take it back in exchange and
refuse to tell me where I can get it fixed. They say it clearly states
on
the box that once out of the store, any problem goes to the factory
repair
facility. Which exists by phone only. They claim they need to have an
authorized repair facility review the problem then issue a chit to
PepBoys
to replace it if it can't be repaired. The time delay so far has been
one
week, and another two weeks expected based on what they say on the
phone.

Am wondering if anybody knows of a repair facility in the San Diego or
Temecula or anywhere near here that could do the diagnostics and repair
and
we'll pick up the tab. Renting a unit is $65 a day in this market. And
we
have jobs waiting in the field. New customers based on having a fully
portable rig.

Any ideas?



Not much help now I know, but.......

Cheap tools cost more than good tools.

Cheap tools break usually at the wrong time ( see Murphy's law ) and then
you have the choice of buying another cheapy or buy the good one you should
have bought in the first place.


I know this from my own past experience.

Best of luck
RoyJ
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:37 pm
Guest
Well, I'd certainly think twice about buying a used Onan generator, the
still break and their prices for spare parts amount to highway robbery.
Voice of experience here, the welder got scrapped because of the parts
costs.

Ignoramus18738 wrote:
Quote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:49:33 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:

You just discovered the problem with buying a gen set from an autoparts
store. Im surprised you would have done that for a business so dependant
on a welder. Chicom gensets have a limited lifespan in the first
place..cheaply made...

For the same money, you could have bought a decent used gas welder and
stuck on a spool gun.


What Gunner said. Chinese generators are not made to be used
seriously, they are sold to unwitting "homeowners", with the
expectation that they will not use them even for a few hours, before
warranty expires.

Good generators cost serious money, are sold by well known companies
like Cummins, Kohler, Honda etc and there is no shortcut (because
making a good generator is expensive).

Chalk this to experience and buy something good, with dealer support,
and expect to pay serious money -- but hopefully once.

i
Wayne Lundberg
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:09 pm
Guest
"Wayne Lundberg" <Waynelund@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:5gNzh.23449.
---snip---

Thank you one and all. Our hope was to have the thing run long enough to
develop some cash flow to then go for a better unit. It's to drive a Miller
TIG setup he just bought.

Credit card company said they could not help since the purchased item
clearly stated that the store would not be of any help once out of the
store. All compalints and warranties to be done by factory.

Gunner, will follow up on your Sta Fe Springs lead.

Thanks again one and all!

Wayne

PS - this is the first time ever, that an item bought at a store could not
be returned for exchange after only a few hours of use. I do believe we are
seeing a new paradigm developing where cheap will rule, and buyer beware.
Ignoramus21592
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:11 pm
Guest
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:37:23 GMT, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
Quote:
Well, I'd certainly think twice about buying a used Onan generator, the
still break and their prices for spare parts amount to highway robbery.
Voice of experience here, the welder got scrapped because of the parts
costs.

I have to agree with you here.

i

Quote:
Ignoramus18738 wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:49:33 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:

You just discovered the problem with buying a gen set from an autoparts
store. Im surprised you would have done that for a business so dependant
on a welder. Chicom gensets have a limited lifespan in the first
place..cheaply made...

For the same money, you could have bought a decent used gas welder and
stuck on a spool gun.


What Gunner said. Chinese generators are not made to be used
seriously, they are sold to unwitting "homeowners", with the
expectation that they will not use them even for a few hours, before
warranty expires.

Good generators cost serious money, are sold by well known companies
like Cummins, Kohler, Honda etc and there is no shortcut (because
making a good generator is expensive).

Chalk this to experience and buy something good, with dealer support,
and expect to pay serious money -- but hopefully once.

i
Grant Erwin
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:11 pm
Guest
Wayne Lundberg wrote:

Quote:
"Wayne Lundberg" <Waynelund@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:5gNzh.23449.
---snip---

Thank you one and all. Our hope was to have the thing run long enough to
develop some cash flow to then go for a better unit. It's to drive a Miller
TIG setup he just bought.

Credit card company said they could not help since the purchased item
clearly stated that the store would not be of any help once out of the
store. All compalints and warranties to be done by factory.

Gunner, will follow up on your Sta Fe Springs lead.

Thanks again one and all!

Wayne

PS - this is the first time ever, that an item bought at a store could not
be returned for exchange after only a few hours of use. I do believe we are
seeing a new paradigm developing where cheap will rule, and buyer beware.

Wayne, thanks for sharing your misery with us. Wow, what a clusterfuck. It would
be satisfying but unproductive and unwise to burn that POS in the store's
parking lot! Your posting will hopefully keep others from having the same problem.

Grant
Pete C.
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:18 pm
Guest
Ignoramus21592 wrote:
Quote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:37:23 GMT, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
Well, I'd certainly think twice about buying a used Onan generator, the
still break and their prices for spare parts amount to highway robbery.
Voice of experience here, the welder got scrapped because of the parts
costs.

I have to agree with you here.

i

Ignoramus18738 wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:49:33 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:

You just discovered the problem with buying a gen set from an autoparts
store. Im surprised you would have done that for a business so dependant
on a welder. Chicom gensets have a limited lifespan in the first
place..cheaply made...

For the same money, you could have bought a decent used gas welder and
stuck on a spool gun.


What Gunner said. Chinese generators are not made to be used
seriously, they are sold to unwitting "homeowners", with the
expectation that they will not use them even for a few hours, before
warranty expires.

Good generators cost serious money, are sold by well known companies
like Cummins, Kohler, Honda etc and there is no shortcut (because
making a good generator is expensive).

Chalk this to experience and buy something good, with dealer support,
and expect to pay serious money -- but hopefully once.

i


The Generac units are a pretty decent value, or at least were back when
I got my L5000E, I haven't bought one recently. In fact when I couldn't
find a wheel kit for it locally and called them, they sent me one for
free. Certainly not as quiet as the Hondas, but far less expensive. My
L5000E has been reliable in intermittent fairly heavy use for many
years.

Pete C.
RoyJ
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:09 pm
Guest
Under Federal law you have certain rights to dispute a credit card bill,
you just send them a notice saying that the bill is "in dispute" and let
the process wind it's way out. You do not have to pay the bill until
it's done.

But it certaily does make one wonder what Pep Boys thinks about their
corporate reputation. Reatil outfits can't take too many hits without
impacting things.



Wayne Lundberg wrote:
Quote:
"Wayne Lundberg" <Waynelund@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:5gNzh.23449.
---snip---

Thank you one and all. Our hope was to have the thing run long enough to
develop some cash flow to then go for a better unit. It's to drive a Miller
TIG setup he just bought.

Credit card company said they could not help since the purchased item
clearly stated that the store would not be of any help once out of the
store. All compalints and warranties to be done by factory.

Gunner, will follow up on your Sta Fe Springs lead.

Thanks again one and all!

Wayne

PS - this is the first time ever, that an item bought at a store could not
be returned for exchange after only a few hours of use. I do believe we are
seeing a new paradigm developing where cheap will rule, and buyer beware.


Wayne Lundberg
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:20 pm
Guest
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:FP3Ah.372$_73.217@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Quote:
Under Federal law you have certain rights to dispute a credit card bill,
you just send them a notice saying that the bill is "in dispute" and let
the process wind it's way out. You do not have to pay the bill until
it's done.

But it certaily does make one wonder what Pep Boys thinks about their
corporate reputation. Reatil outfits can't take too many hits without
impacting things.



Wayne Lundberg wrote:
"Wayne Lundberg" <Waynelund@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:5gNzh.23449.
---snip---

Thank you one and all. Our hope was to have the thing run long enough to
develop some cash flow to then go for a better unit. It's to drive a
Miller
TIG setup he just bought.

Credit card company said they could not help since the purchased item
clearly stated that the store would not be of any help once out of the
store. All compalints and warranties to be done by factory.

Gunner, will follow up on your Sta Fe Springs lead.

Thanks again one and all!

Wayne

PS - this is the first time ever, that an item bought at a store could
not
be returned for exchange after only a few hours of use. I do believe we
are
seeing a new paradigm developing where cheap will rule, and buyer
beware.

True, a company can't take too many negative hits. But apparently PepBoys is

going through some tough times. After our 'incident' with them, I have done
extensive research and have discovered several customer complaint oriented
sites and others that are making Pep Boys one of the worst of the lot even
though they are struggling to get out of bankruptcy. So their management
team have no time to handle customer complaints as they try to salvage a
sinking ship. Which once was a great resource to all of us consumers. They
were a wonderful company; why else would my son and I buy from them now?

But this no-return policy is going to kill them if they don't solve it
quickly. Nobody will do business with a no-return policy company what with
everybody else doing it gladly and willingly.

Wayne
wmbjk
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:20 am
Guest
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:20:23 GMT, "Wayne Lundberg"
<Waynelund@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Quote:
Nobody will do business with a no-return policy company what with
everybody else doing it gladly and willingly.

You might want to double-check that last part... I've seen other
places with a no-return policy on generators. Probably because too
many people take them on a weekend camping trip and then bring them
back on Monday.

Not that I would have recommended a cheap generator for commercial use
(especially such a small one), but some of the Chinese clones are
actually pretty nice for the money. What exactly quit on it?

(another) Wayne
 
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