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| Jim Oberg |
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:30 pm |
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Space junk problem rising to new heights [EAS jettison, mid-2007]
Disposal of piano-sized space station piece poses challenges
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15817106/
By James Oberg, NBC News space analyst // Special to MSNBC
This week, a spacewalking cosmonaut will tee up a golf ball just outside
the international space station and let loose with a publicity-generating
drive - a shot that has already generated a debate over the dangers posed by
orbital debris. But if you think one foam-rubber "golf ball" is a cause for
concern, how about a concert grand piano?
That's roughly the size and weight of the piece of equipment NASA plans
to throw over the space station's side next spring - if they can figure out
which way it'll go once it's cast away.
The 1,430-pound (650-kilogram) unit is called the EAS, or Early Ammonia
Servicer. It was installed in mid-2001 as an emergency reserve for the
station's coolant system. Once the mature thermal control system is
activated next month during Discovery's STS-116 mission to the space
station, the EAS becomes surplus space hardware.
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photo: The Early Ammonia Servicer, a piece of equipment that weighs as
much as a heavy grand piano, sits on a rack inside a shuttle cargo bay. The
EAS was delivered to the international space station aboard the shuttle
Discovery in 2001, and will soon be jettisoned into space. |
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| George |
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:30 pm |
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"Jim Oberg" <jameseoberg@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1go8h.1241$Gk5.1145@tornado.texas.rr.com...
Quote: Space junk problem rising to new heights [EAS jettison, mid-2007]
Disposal of piano-sized space station piece poses challenges
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15817106/
By James Oberg, NBC News space analyst // Special to MSNBC
This week, a spacewalking cosmonaut will tee up a golf ball just
outside the international space station and let loose with a
publicity-generating drive - a shot that has already generated a debate
over the dangers posed by orbital debris. But if you think one
foam-rubber "golf ball" is a cause for concern, how about a concert grand
piano?
That's roughly the size and weight of the piece of equipment NASA plans
to throw over the space station's side next spring - if they can figure
out which way it'll go once it's cast away.
The 1,430-pound (650-kilogram) unit is called the EAS, or Early Ammonia
Servicer. It was installed in mid-2001 as an emergency reserve for the
station's coolant system. Once the mature thermal control system is
activated next month during Discovery's STS-116 mission to the space
station, the EAS becomes surplus space hardware.
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photo: The Early Ammonia Servicer, a piece of equipment that weighs as
much as a heavy grand piano, sits on a rack inside a shuttle cargo bay.
The EAS was delivered to the international space station aboard the
shuttle Discovery in 2001, and will soon be jettisoned into space.
Why don't they just bring it back on the shuttle? Or is that idea too
easy?
George |
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| Jorge R. Frank |
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:16 pm |
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"George" <george@yourservice.com> wrote in
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"Jim Oberg" <jameseoberg@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1go8h.1241$Gk5.1145@tornado.texas.rr.com...
Space junk problem rising to new heights [EAS jettison, mid-2007]
Disposal of piano-sized space station piece poses challenges
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15817106/
Why don't they just bring it back on the shuttle? Or is that idea too
easy?
Why don't you just read Jim's article? Or is that idea too hard?
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| Jim Kingdon |
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:29 pm |
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Quote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15817106/
Good article.
Of course, an object this big is easy to track by radar, so in that
sense it is an easier case than the golf ball. But I'm sure that
working out the first few orbits (before the radar would give accurate
orbital elements) is a bit tricky. |
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| George |
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:54 pm |
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"Jorge R. Frank" <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> wrote in message
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Quote: "George" <george@yourservice.com> wrote in
news:xEs8h.3838$k6.3318@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
"Jim Oberg" <jameseoberg@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1go8h.1241$Gk5.1145@tornado.texas.rr.com...
Space junk problem rising to new heights [EAS jettison, mid-2007]
Disposal of piano-sized space station piece poses challenges
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15817106/
Why don't they just bring it back on the shuttle? Or is that idea too
easy?
Why don't you just read Jim's article? Or is that idea too hard?
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JRF
Sorry. I did go back and read it, and, silly me, the article contained the
answer I was seeking. My bad. It still seems to me that once they remove
the cargo from the shuttle, they could mount that ammonia contraption into
the bay. But then, I never claimed to be an expert on Shuttle project
planning.
George |
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| Jim Oberg |
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:33 am |
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Jim, you are exactly right. Getting early nav and reliable
relative motion for the first few hours will be the pucker phase.
"Jim Kingdon" <kingdon@panix.com> wrote in message
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Quote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15817106/
Good article.
Of course, an object this big is easy to track by radar, so in that
sense it is an easier case than the golf ball. But I'm sure that
working out the first few orbits (before the radar would give accurate
orbital elements) is a bit tricky. |
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| Derek Lyons |
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:47 am |
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"George" <george@yourservice.com> wrote:
Quote: Sorry. I did go back and read it, and, silly me, the article contained the
answer I was seeking. My bad. It still seems to me that once they remove
the cargo from the shuttle, they could mount that ammonia contraption into
the bay.
I would imagine the problem is mounting it to the cargo bay - it
requires a unique handling fixture, which takes up volume and mass on
the uphill run. Volume and mass to and from the ISS are at an
*extreme* premium over the next few years.
D.
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| Brian Gaff |
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:09 am |
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Why jettison it? Why not either leave it there or take it home?
Another thing, news says a Cosmos spacecraft was deliberately destroyed in
orbit recently.. why? Surely if they had deorbited it it would have burned
up, Now presumably, there is a cloud of debris.
Brian
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"Jim Oberg" <jameseoberg@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1go8h.1241$Gk5.1145@tornado.texas.rr.com...
Quote: Space junk problem rising to new heights [EAS jettison, mid-2007]
Disposal of piano-sized space station piece poses challenges
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15817106/
By James Oberg, NBC News space analyst // Special to MSNBC
This week, a spacewalking cosmonaut will tee up a golf ball just outside
the international space station and let loose with a publicity-generating
drive - a shot that has already generated a debate over the dangers posed
by orbital debris. But if you think one foam-rubber "golf ball" is a cause
for concern, how about a concert grand piano?
That's roughly the size and weight of the piece of equipment NASA plans
to throw over the space station's side next spring - if they can figure
out which way it'll go once it's cast away.
The 1,430-pound (650-kilogram) unit is called the EAS, or Early Ammonia
Servicer. It was installed in mid-2001 as an emergency reserve for the
station's coolant system. Once the mature thermal control system is
activated next month during Discovery's STS-116 mission to the space
station, the EAS becomes surplus space hardware.
.....
photo: The Early Ammonia Servicer, a piece of equipment that weighs as
much as a heavy grand piano, sits on a rack inside a shuttle cargo bay.
The EAS was delivered to the international space station aboard the
shuttle Discovery in 2001, and will soon be jettisoned into space.
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| Chris Bennetts |
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:40 am |
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Brian Gaff wrote:
Quote: Why jettison it? Why not either leave it there or take it home?
I think they have to move it off P6 before it is relocated on STS-120.
From pictures, it looks like it was launched on an ICC carrier. There
is only one of those to fly before STS-120, on ISS-12A.1/STS-116. The
EAS won't be ready for return on 12A.1, so there's no chance to return
it intact.
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| George |
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:31 am |
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"Derek Lyons" <fairwater@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: "George" <george@yourservice.com> wrote:
Sorry. I did go back and read it, and, silly me, the article contained
the
answer I was seeking. My bad. It still seems to me that once they
remove
the cargo from the shuttle, they could mount that ammonia contraption
into
the bay.
I would imagine the problem is mounting it to the cargo bay - it
requires a unique handling fixture, which takes up volume and mass on
the uphill run. Volume and mass to and from the ISS are at an
*extreme* premium over the next few years.
D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.
-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL
So what is more important, volume and mass issues, or concerns that
throwing this object overboard will result in catastrophe? Apparently the
former.
George |
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| Derek Lyons |
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:25 pm |
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"George" <george@yourservice.com> wrote:
Quote: "Derek Lyons" <fairwater@gmail.com> wrote in message
I would imagine the problem is mounting it to the cargo bay - it
requires a unique handling fixture, which takes up volume and mass on
the uphill run. Volume and mass to and from the ISS are at an
*extreme* premium over the next few years.
So what is more important, volume and mass issues, or concerns that
throwing this object overboard will result in catastrophe? Apparently the
former.
Given that it has been shown that the fears of catastrophe are
somewhat over stated, all I can say is 'duh'.
D.
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Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.
-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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| George |
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:37 pm |
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"Derek Lyons" <fairwater@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: "George" <george@yourservice.com> wrote:
"Derek Lyons" <fairwater@gmail.com> wrote in message
I would imagine the problem is mounting it to the cargo bay - it
requires a unique handling fixture, which takes up volume and mass on
the uphill run. Volume and mass to and from the ISS are at an
*extreme* premium over the next few years.
So what is more important, volume and mass issues, or concerns that
throwing this object overboard will result in catastrophe? Apparently
the
former.
Given that it has been shown that the fears of catastrophe are
somewhat over stated, all I can say is 'duh'.
D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.
-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL
Only somewhat? Considering our investment here, and the lives involved,
why put it at risk at all?
George |
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| John Doe |
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:48 pm |
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Derek Lyons wrote:
Quote: I would imagine the problem is mounting it to the cargo bay - it
requires a unique handling fixture, which takes up volume and mass on
the uphill run.
When shipping stuff to the station, you need very efficient mounting
fixtures that can be released easily while in space (and in many cases,
requires automated released from the cabin so the arm can pick it up and
transport it without requiring EVA).
However, to return stuff to earth, couldn't they use industrial straps
(either metal or fabric) to strap the module in place ? Heck, industrial
tie-wraps. The folks back on the ground can then use whatever heavy tools
to cut those loose. You might need a couple of support beams , but those
could be deployed over whatever hardware that was used to carry the upmass.
(with the beams stowed on the side during the trip up).
I think that this is an exercise in proving that the shuttle isn't needed,
to demonstrate that they can jettison large bulky items. Just imagine what
happens the day one such item doesn't totally disintegrate and falls into
someone's farm/backyard. |
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| snidely |
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:45 pm |
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John Doe wrote:
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Quote: I think that this is an exercise in proving that the shuttle isn't needed,
to demonstrate that they can jettison large bulky items.
Mr. Oberg clearly makes that point, as there will be assemblies
discarded after the Shuttle gets parked-for-display.
/dps |
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| Jim Kingdon |
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:21 pm |
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Quote: Another thing, news says a Cosmos spacecraft was deliberately destroyed in
orbit recently.. why? Surely if they had deorbited it it would have burned
up, Now presumably, there is a cloud of debris.
Are you talking about this one?
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20061120/55824706.html
If so, the rumor seems to be of a deorbit, not destruction in-orbit. |
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