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| Danny Deger |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:00 pm |
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"Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
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I'm sure they have some sort of a plan already put together should an
astronaut totally wig out in space?
Yes there are. I belive the documents were on NASA Watch at one point.
Try using Google.
I attended a few meetings on Mars missions. We seriously talked about
possibly flying some anti-depressants, anti-mania, and anti-psychotic
medications. With medication a wigged out astronaut could be brought back
to being functional.
Many people said things like, "Because of the way we pick astronauts, we
would never fly a person that might have difficulty to Mars." I don't think
that would be said in a meeting today.
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| AustinMN |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:20 pm |
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On Feb 7, 10:38 pm, "Esaz" <n...@none.none.nnn> wrote:
Quote: up", or do they have syringes that they could quickly inject someone with.
(tranquilizer) ?
Syringes (or any other weapon) would quite easily end up in the hands
of an intelligent psycho before anyone else knew they'd gone over the
edge.
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| nmp |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:32 pm |
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Op Thu, 08 Feb 2007 10:28:05 -0500, schreef Jeff Findley:
Quote: NASA ignored *a lot* of the advice of the Russians during the Shuttle-Mir
program, not just advice related to mental health of its astronauts.
Do tell. Could be interesting  |
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| Derek Lyons |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:37 pm |
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"Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote:
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"Derek Lyons" <fairwater@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
Long-duration spaceflights with large crews (e.g., trips lasting several
years to the outer planets) are still a big unknown. We don't know if a
large, mixed-gender crew will degenerate over several years like "Mutiny
on the Bounty" or "Lord of the Flies" or "The Caine Mutiny" or any of
the other scenarios we're already familiar with.
We don't know about mixed genders - but the literature on single
gender (I.E. male) is abundant.
The US Navy surely has a lot of data on the crews of nuclear submarines.
Not just nuclear submarines, but Antarctic stations (which includes a
mixed gender component in the later years), various voyages of
exploration, intentional and accidental isolation, etc... etc...
There are some questions - but I'd not characterize it as a 'big
unknown'.
In short, just as he is with the PRP, Steven is fearmongering/trolling
out of his ass.
D.
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| Derek Lyons |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:45 pm |
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"Danny Deger" <dannydeger@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Many people said things like, "Because of the way we pick astronauts, we
would never fly a person that might have difficulty to Mars." I don't think
that would be said in a meeting today.
I wouldn't have said it in a meeting last week, let alone today. Not
because of errors in psychological screening - but because the hiring
system is broken at the most basic level. Highly competitive,
overachieving, individualistic alpha types are precisely the *wrong*
type to send on a long duration mission - but that's precisely the
kind of people the ASCAN selection process is designed to find.
Yes, I know they work in teams today - but as Micheal Collins said,
"in pursuit of a common and greatly desired goal, almost anyone can
work together for a time". I suspect that the duration of training
for, and flying a Mars mission will exceed that time.
D.
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Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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| robert casey |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:20 pm |
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I've changed my mind about building a lunar base. I'm now thinking it
really is the only way to test out really long-duration spaceflight--put
a whole bunch of men and women on the moon for 5+ years and see how they
deal with it. They may form a new society, just like how tribes
self-organize on the TV show "Survivor." If things go really wrong,
rescue from Earth is only a few days away.
There were some long duration expeditions to Antarctica about a hundred
years ago. Though everyone who went are long since gone, so the only
source of experience would be the captain's logs and crew members'
letter and diaries.
There's also long duration Navy submarine missions. With crews and
inside space roughly comparable to what a Mars mission would look like.
Though with a sub, if a really serious problem comes up you can head
for the nearest Navy base, which is at most a day away. |
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| robert casey |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:28 pm |
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Yes, I know they work in teams today - but as Micheal Collins said,
"in pursuit of a common and greatly desired goal, almost anyone can
work together for a time". I suspect that the duration of training
for, and flying a Mars mission will exceed that time.
I suppose NASA could borrow a nuke submarine and do a test run of a crew
who have been selected for the Mars trip. They need not be isolated
from the world, let them have 'net access and such they would have on
the Mars trip. So the scientists on board can continue to publish
papers and email them and not perish in their science careers. The
purpose of this test run would be to see if everyone can handle being
cooped up with the same few people for 6 months or more. |
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| robert casey |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:29 pm |
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Quote: Syringes (or any other weapon) would quite easily end up in the hands
of an intelligent psycho before anyone else knew they'd gone over the
edge.
The commander would have the only key to the storage cabinet, but what
if it's the commander is the one who loses it? |
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| Jeff Findley |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:54 pm |
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"robert casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Syringes (or any other weapon) would quite easily end up in the hands
of an intelligent psycho before anyone else knew they'd gone over the
edge.
The commander would have the only key to the storage cabinet, but what if
it's the commander is the one who loses it?
Who watches the watchmen?
Jeff
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| Bill Baker |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:22 pm |
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On 2007-02-08 10:45:23 -0800, fairwater@gmail.com (Derek Lyons) said:
Quote: ...Highly competitive,
overachieving, individualistic alpha types are precisely the *wrong*
type to send on a long duration mission - but that's precisely the
kind of people the ASCAN selection process is designed to find.
Yeah, that's a valuable point. Can you imagine sticking the original
Mercury 7 into some tight litle interplanetary ship and boosting it off
to Mars in a multi-month coast trajectory? Someone would have
strangled Glenn within weeks, I bet.
There's actually a really good James Tiptree short story that revolves
around exactly this premise. Can't recall the title but it's in one of
her collections.
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| AustinMN |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:42 pm |
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On Feb 8, 2:28 pm, robert casey <wa2...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Quote: Yes, I know they work in teams today - but as Micheal Collins said,
"in pursuit of a common and greatly desired goal, almost anyone can
work together for a time". I suspect that the duration of training
for, and flying a Mars mission will exceed that time.
I suppose NASA could borrow a nuke submarine and do a test run of a crew
who have been selected for the Mars trip. They need not be isolated
from the world, let them have 'net access and such they would have on
the Mars trip. So the scientists on board can continue to publish
papers and email them and not perish in their science careers. The
purpose of this test run would be to see if everyone can handle being
cooped up with the same few people for 6 months or more.
IIRC, something similar has already been done, by NASA, with a
submarine. I don't recall the duration, but the accomplishment got
little attention because some other NASA event (may have been Apollo
11) completely overshadowed it.
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| Derek Lyons |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:53 pm |
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robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Quote: Though with a sub, if a really serious problem comes up you can head
for the nearest Navy base, which is at most a day away.
ROTFLMAO.
The one time we had a serious problem (we were directed to offload
someone due to a family situation he needed to attend to), it took
over a day to get from where we were to the rendezvous point.
The East coast was much further away. (And we were in the Atlantic,
which is a puddle compared to the Pacific.)
D.
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| Greg D. Moore (Strider) |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:11 pm |
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"AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: IIRC, something similar has already been done, by NASA, with a
submarine. I don't recall the duration, but the accomplishment got
little attention because some other NASA event (may have been Apollo
11) completely overshadowed it.
You may be thinking Sealab which involved an astronaut but I don't believe
was a NASA project.
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| Greg D. Moore (Strider) |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:06 pm |
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"robert casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Syringes (or any other weapon) would quite easily end up in the hands
of an intelligent psycho before anyone else knew they'd gone over the
edge.
The commander would have the only key to the storage cabinet, but what if
it's the commander is the one who loses it?
How do you keep the commander of a nuclear missile facility from launching?
There ARE ways around issues like this. |
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| Danny Deger |
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:23 pm |
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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote in message
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"robert casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Syringes (or any other weapon) would quite easily end up in the hands
of an intelligent psycho before anyone else knew they'd gone over the
edge.
The commander would have the only key to the storage cabinet, but what if
it's the commander is the one who loses it?
How do you keep the commander of a nuclear missile facility from
launching?
You have a second person in the facility that also has a key. It takes two
keys to launch.
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