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| Esaz |
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Serious question:
I'm sure they have some sort of a plan already put together should an
astronaut totally wig out in space?
Even with all the screening and training, I'm sure they have to think that
there is a (very remote) possibility such a thing could happen to anyone up
there by any number of unknown mental (or more likely, physical) reasons...
Perhaps the plan is just "everyone grab him/her, hold 'em down, and tie 'em
up", or do they have syringes that they could quickly inject someone with.
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| Greg D. Moore (Strider) |
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"Esaz" <none@none.none.nnn> wrote in message
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Quote: Serious question:
I'm sure they have some sort of a plan already put together should an
astronaut totally wig out in space?
Even with all the screening and training, I'm sure they have to think that
there is a (very remote) possibility such a thing could happen to anyone
up there by any number of unknown mental (or more likely, physical)
reasons...
There have been persistent rumors over the years that at least one Salyut 7
had to be cut short due to psycological issues.
Quote: Perhaps the plan is just "everyone grab him/her, hold 'em down, and tie
'em up", or do they have syringes that they could quickly inject someone
with. (tranquilizer) ?
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| Danny Deger |
| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:57 am |
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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote in message
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"Esaz" <none@none.none.nnn> wrote in message
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Serious question:
I'm sure they have some sort of a plan already put together should an
astronaut totally wig out in space?
Even with all the screening and training, I'm sure they have to think
that there is a (very remote) possibility such a thing could happen to
anyone up there by any number of unknown mental (or more likely,
physical) reasons...
There have been persistent rumors over the years that at least one Salyut
7 had to be cut short due to psycological issues.
Perhaps the plan is just "everyone grab him/her, hold 'em down, and tie
'em up", or do they have syringes that they could quickly inject someone
with. (tranquilizer) ?
I got to work with the Russians in 1993 when we were considering buying the
Soyuz as the station "life boat". I heard it straight from one of their
flight directors that they had to cut mission short because the astronauts
lost touch with reality.
Danny Deger
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| Steven L. |
| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:11 am |
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Danny Deger wrote:
Quote: "Greg D. Moore (Strider)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote in message
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"Esaz" <none@none.none.nnn> wrote in message
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Serious question:
I'm sure they have some sort of a plan already put together should an
astronaut totally wig out in space?
Even with all the screening and training, I'm sure they have to think
that there is a (very remote) possibility such a thing could happen to
anyone up there by any number of unknown mental (or more likely,
physical) reasons...
There have been persistent rumors over the years that at least one Salyut
7 had to be cut short due to psycological issues.
Perhaps the plan is just "everyone grab him/her, hold 'em down, and tie
'em up", or do they have syringes that they could quickly inject someone
with. (tranquilizer) ?
I got to work with the Russians in 1993 when we were considering buying the
Soyuz as the station "life boat". I heard it straight from one of their
flight directors that they had to cut mission short because the astronauts
lost touch with reality.
Beyond that, Russian scientists have noted milder effects occurring even
more commonly: Depression, neurosis, psychosomatic illness, etc.--all
of which can impair the crew's ability to conduct a mission.
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| Steven L. |
| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:28 am |
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Esaz wrote:
Quote: Serious question:
I'm sure they have some sort of a plan already put together should an
astronaut totally wig out in space?
Long-duration spaceflights with large crews (e.g., trips lasting several
years to the outer planets) are still a big unknown. We don't know if a
large, mixed-gender crew will degenerate over several years like "Mutiny
on the Bounty" or "Lord of the Flies" or "The Caine Mutiny" or any of
the other scenarios we're already familiar with.
You're only thinking about an individual astronaut freaking out. What
about a "love triangle," complete with jealous rages, forming *among*
three or more members of a mixed-gender spaceflight crew *during* a
long-duration mission?
I've changed my mind about building a lunar base. I'm now thinking it
really is the only way to test out really long-duration spaceflight--put
a whole bunch of men and women on the moon for 5+ years and see how they
deal with it. They may form a new society, just like how tribes
self-organize on the TV show "Survivor." If things go really wrong,
rescue from Earth is only a few days away.
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Steven D. Litvintchouk
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| Danny Deger |
| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:07 am |
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"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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Quote: Danny Deger wrote:
"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote in
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"Esaz" <none@none.none.nnn> wrote in message
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Serious question:
I'm sure they have some sort of a plan already put together should an
astronaut totally wig out in space?
Even with all the screening and training, I'm sure they have to think
that there is a (very remote) possibility such a thing could happen to
anyone up there by any number of unknown mental (or more likely,
physical) reasons...
There have been persistent rumors over the years that at least one
Salyut 7 had to be cut short due to psycological issues.
Perhaps the plan is just "everyone grab him/her, hold 'em down, and tie
'em up", or do they have syringes that they could quickly inject
someone with. (tranquilizer) ?
I got to work with the Russians in 1993 when we were considering buying
the Soyuz as the station "life boat". I heard it straight from one of
their flight directors that they had to cut mission short because the
astronauts lost touch with reality.
Beyond that, Russian scientists have noted milder effects occurring even
more commonly: Depression, neurosis, psychosomatic illness, etc.--all of
which can impair the crew's ability to conduct a mission.
Yes. In my opinion the Russians take mental health more seriously than we
do. Read the book "Dragon Fly". The Russians told us a perticular
astronaut was not mentally OK to fly in their station. In training he was
showing signs of not getting allong with his crew mates. We flew him anyway
and he had MAJOR problems with his crew. This is a documented case of NASA
not taking mental health seriously. Keep in mind the Russians had a LOT
more experience with long stays by a crew in space.
Danny Deger |
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| Derek Lyons |
| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:32 am |
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"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
Quote: Esaz wrote:
Serious question:
I'm sure they have some sort of a plan already put together should an
astronaut totally wig out in space?
Long-duration spaceflights with large crews (e.g., trips lasting several
years to the outer planets) are still a big unknown. We don't know if a
large, mixed-gender crew will degenerate over several years like "Mutiny
on the Bounty" or "Lord of the Flies" or "The Caine Mutiny" or any of
the other scenarios we're already familiar with.
We don't know about mixed genders - but the literature on single
gender (I.E. male) is abundant.
D.
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| Brian Gaff |
| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:05 am |
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Why do you think they all have access to email phones private medical
conferences etc?
The mind is complex and I'm sure they are aware of the problems.
I heard a story during the Skylab era that there were tranquiliser
injections available simply to allow someone to be brought back without
destroying the capsule!
Brian
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"Esaz" <none@none.none.nnn> wrote in message
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Serious question:
I'm sure they have some sort of a plan already put together should an
astronaut totally wig out in space?
Even with all the screening and training, I'm sure they have to think
that there is a (very remote) possibility such a thing could happen to
anyone up there by any number of unknown mental (or more likely,
physical) reasons...
There have been persistent rumors over the years that at least one Salyut
7 had to be cut short due to psycological issues.
Perhaps the plan is just "everyone grab him/her, hold 'em down, and tie
'em up", or do they have syringes that they could quickly inject someone
with. (tranquilizer) ?
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:17 am |
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Quote: We don't know if a
large, mixed-gender crew will degenerate over several years like
"Mutiny
on the Bounty" or "Lord of the Flies" or "The Caine Mutiny" or any of
the other scenarios we're already familiar with.
Quite true. My feeling is that if you put a group of average people up
there then yes it is going to go badly, but if you put people who are
successful, screened, normal, and who make a conscious effort to put the
mission priorities over personal issues that it can work. And then luck
helps also.
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| Skylon |
| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:25 am |
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On Feb 8, 2:07 am, "Danny Deger" <dannyde...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Yes. In my opinion the Russians take mental health more seriously than we
do. Read the book "Dragon Fly". The Russians told us a perticular
astronaut was not mentally OK to fly in their station. In training he was
showing signs of not getting allong with his crew mates. We flew him anyway
and he had MAJOR problems with his crew. This is a documented case of NASA
not taking mental health seriously. Keep in mind the Russians had a LOT
more experience with long stays by a crew in space.
Danny Deger
Mike Mullane wrote in his recent book that some of the early shuttle
Payload Specialists gave their commanders a rough time. One pretty
much went into a state of depression when his experiment didn't work
in orbit. Another apparently kept asking the mission commander about
the shuttle hatch to the point that it got the commander worried "why
are you asking about the hatch so much?" and resulted in a
recommendation that it be padlocked after the shuttle reaches orbit,
with only the CDR's knowing the key.
-A.L. |
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| hallerb@aol.com |
| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:07 am |
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Imagine a shuttle docked at station....
Crewmember loses it and somehow depressurives station / ISS
No cabin air no control:(
Now we have a large sectional vehicle stuck in a eventual declining
orbit.
Can progress reboost with shuttle attached?
How long till average ISS orbit with draggy shuttle attached would re
enter?
I rather imagine structure would tumble and come apart distributing
debris all around the globe:(
Obviously a astronaut can lose it:( Screening must be poor once your
on the team. |
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| Dale |
| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:09 am |
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This exact thing happened to William Shatner on at least two occaisions. In
Star Trek episodes 105 and 210 he was divided into a good Kirk and an evil
anti-Kirk. I believe this happens in space and we just have to look on the
Enterprise for the good Nowak and recombobulate her with the evil
anti-Nowak... easy
When you launch an astronaut into space wearing diapers you are asking for
trouble. What were they thinking. |
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| Jeff Findley |
| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:26 am |
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"Esaz" <none@none.none.nnn> wrote in message
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Quote: Serious question:
I'm sure they have some sort of a plan already put together should an
astronaut totally wig out in space?
Yes there are. I belive the documents were on NASA Watch at one point. Try
using Google.
Jeff
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little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
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| Jeff Findley |
| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:28 am |
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"Danny Deger" <dannydeger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Yes. In my opinion the Russians take mental health more seriously than we
do. Read the book "Dragon Fly". The Russians told us a perticular
astronaut was not mentally OK to fly in their station. In training he was
showing signs of not getting allong with his crew mates. We flew him
anyway and he had MAJOR problems with his crew. This is a documented case
of NASA not taking mental health seriously. Keep in mind the Russians had
a LOT more experience with long stays by a crew in space.
NASA ignored *a lot* of the advice of the Russians during the Shuttle-Mir
program, not just advice related to mental health of its astronauts.
Jeff
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little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
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| Jeff Findley |
| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:30 am |
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"Derek Lyons" <fairwater@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
Long-duration spaceflights with large crews (e.g., trips lasting several
years to the outer planets) are still a big unknown. We don't know if a
large, mixed-gender crew will degenerate over several years like "Mutiny
on the Bounty" or "Lord of the Flies" or "The Caine Mutiny" or any of
the other scenarios we're already familiar with.
We don't know about mixed genders - but the literature on single
gender (I.E. male) is abundant.
The US Navy surely has a lot of data on the crews of nuclear submarines.
Jeff
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little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety"
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