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| Pat Barnaby |
 Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:33 am |
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This was just posted at alt.binaries.documentaries and
alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries. It is a great documentary from
1987.
Many of you may remember this show. It includes footage inside the MCC
at the moment Cleon Lacefield made the "Abort To Orbit" call during the
ascent of mission 51-F. Some great interviews of the astronauts, Max
Faget, Gene Krantz, etc
From the .nfo file:
Narrated by James Reston, Jr.
A documentary about the space shuttle highlighting its dramatic history
from 1981 to 1986 with astronauts John Young, Rick Hauck, Hoot Gibson,
Hank Hartsfield, Roy Bridges, Joe Allen, and Dick Covey. Also
interviewed are shuttle designer Max Faget, and various other astronauts
and some of their wives.
This is a deeply personal, intimate account of what it was like to fly
the most advanced and amazing launch vehicle / spacecraft / airplane ever
created by mankind. The emphasis is on those golden days before the
Challenger accident, but the accident is included as well as the efforts
to recover from this first devastating in-flight loss of American
astronauts.
This PBS documentary includes very rare footage of actual real-time
events inside Mission Control during the STS-51F Abort To Orbit launch,
as well as the actual footage of the controllers experiencing the sudden
impact of the 51-L launch tragedy.
An epilogue by then PBS correspondent Judy Woodruff completes the show (I
never previously realized how stunningly attractive Ms. Woodruff was
during her heyday).
This is a VHS-to-VCD conversion so the entire video is rather grainy.
Please view the preview if you are concerned about its visual quality.
The content of the show is so gripping that the video quality, to me, is
a very, very, minor factor. |
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| Brian Perry |
| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:43 pm |
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Link?
Pat Barnaby wrote:
Quote: This was just posted at alt.binaries.documentaries and
alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries. It is a great documentary from
1987.
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| Herb Schaltegger |
| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:48 pm |
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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:43:59 -0600, Brian Perry wrote
(in article <zZtqh.2681$wq.1960@trndny07>):
Quote: Link?
Pat Barnaby wrote:
This was just posted at alt.binaries.documentaries and
alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries. It is a great documentary from
1987.
Um, he gave you the newsgroup names. What more do you want? :-)
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Herb Schaltegger
"You can run on for a long time . . . sooner or later, God'll cut you
down." - Johnny Cash
<http://www.angryherb.net> |
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| Jim |
| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:43 pm |
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I went to both groups and did not find it.
Jim in Houston
"Herb Schaltegger" <herb.schaltegger@NOSPAMgmail.com.INVALID> wrote in
message news:0001HW.C1CFC90C008CC477F0182648@enews.newsguy.com...
Quote: On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:43:59 -0600, Brian Perry wrote
(in article <zZtqh.2681$wq.1960@trndny07>):
Link?
Pat Barnaby wrote:
This was just posted at alt.binaries.documentaries and
alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries. It is a great documentary from
1987.
Um, he gave you the newsgroup names. What more do you want? :-)
--
Herb Schaltegger
"You can run on for a long time . . . sooner or later, God'll cut you
down." - Johnny Cash
http://www.angryherb.net
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| Jorge R. Frank |
| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:53 pm |
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Herb Schaltegger <herb.schaltegger@NOSPAMgmail.com.INVALID> wrote in
news:0001HW.C1CFC90C008CC477F0182648@enews.newsguy.com:
Quote: On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:43:59 -0600, Brian Perry wrote
(in article <zZtqh.2681$wq.1960@trndny07>):
Link?
Pat Barnaby wrote:
This was just posted at alt.binaries.documentaries and
alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries. It is a great documentary
from 1987.
Um, he gave you the newsgroup names. What more do you want? 
Downloading binaries from Usenet is a bit of a black art to those of us
who are used to just clicking links. Brian probably wants to see if he's
in the video... he was an Ascent FDO back in the day. I haven't watched
the documentary yet but I'd guess there are a lot of shots of the back
of his head in there.
Brian, your headers indicate you're using Mozilla 5.0. I'd recommend
another newsreader that has better handling of multipart binaries, such
as XNews (which I use) or Agent. Once you've got that, subscribe to
alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries just like you subscribed to
sci.space.shuttle. (I picked alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries since
it has fewer articles than alt.binaries.documentaries, so the headers
will take less time to download).
Once you've downloaded the headers, the documentary in question has a
subject line starting with:
PBS Frontline docu -- The Space Shuttle -- yenc --
Select them all and download them. The main video is in .rar format,
which is like .zip but can archive across multiple files. You'll need a
RAR application (like WinRAR) to extract the video file from the RAR
files.
If your Usenet service is not great, some of the RAR files may be
incomplete. That's where the PAR2 files come in... they are parity files
that can be used to repair incomplete files. You will need to download a
PAR2 application like QuickPAR to repair the RAR files. If your Usenet
service is bad enough, there may not be enough PAR2 blocks to repair all
the broken RAR files. In that case, you are out of luck unless you
subscribe to a premium Usenet service like Giganews or Easynews.
The video is in VCD format. Once you have the video file, you'll need to
burn it to CD-R in VCD format in order to play it. Most CD burning
software supports VCD and most DVD players can play VCDs.
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JRF
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| Herb Schaltegger |
| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:59 pm |
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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:53:05 -0600, Jorge R. Frank wrote
(in article <Xns98B8A19724CC2jrfrank@216.196.97.131>):
Quote: Downloading binaries from Usenet is a bit of a black art to those of us
who are used to just clicking links.
(snipped much good stuff)
My Usenet provider is Newguy and all files are there (including the
PAR2 files). I downloaded all the binary attachments with Hogwasher
for OS X and assembled/decoded the .mpg file with MacPAR Deluxe - no
sweat. You CAN burn it to a VCD if you want, but QuickTime plays
it just fine off the disk.
--
Herb Schaltegger
"You can run on for a long time . . . sooner or later, God'll cut you
down." - Johnny Cash
<http://www.angryherb.net> |
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| Brian Perry |
| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:51 pm |
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Jorge R. Frank wrote:
Quote: Herb Schaltegger <herb.schaltegger@NOSPAMgmail.com.INVALID> wrote in
news:0001HW.C1CFC90C008CC477F0182648@enews.newsguy.com:
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:43:59 -0600, Brian Perry wrote
(in article <zZtqh.2681$wq.1960@trndny07>):
Link?
Pat Barnaby wrote:
This was just posted at alt.binaries.documentaries and
alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries. It is a great documentary
from 1987.
Um, he gave you the newsgroup names. What more do you want? :-)
Downloading binaries from Usenet is a bit of a black art to those of us
who are used to just clicking links...
Thanks Jorge...I don't have time to do much w/ Usenet these days 'cept
monitor the S/N here!
I really don't recall a video guy being there that day, but now I think
about it, he was *always* there...he was good at keeping out of the way,
lest he find his lens up his ---. Much appreciated.
BP |
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| The Guy In Ireland |
| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:39 pm |
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What actually happened in the STS-51F Abort To Orbit launch,...any
links or information???
John John |
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| Derek Lyons |
| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:58 pm |
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"Jorge R. Frank" <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> wrote:
Quote: This was just posted at alt.binaries.documentaries and
alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries. It is a great documentary
from 1987.
Um, he gave you the newsgroup names. What more do you want? :-)
Downloading binaries from Usenet is a bit of a black art to those of us
who are used to just clicking links.
Hell, downloading binaries from Usenet is a bit of a black art to
those of us who are used to downloading binaries from Usenet.
D.
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Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.
-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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| Jim |
| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:16 am |
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Is "Pointer: The Real Stuff" the name of the documentary?
I am asking because I want to find the tape or CD. I don't want to DL it. I
have tried to DL binaries and can't seem to get the hang of it. Have to have
this reader and that compiler etc... and I just have no idea about yenc. I
just want to watch the movie.
Thanks.
Jim
"Derek Lyons" <fairwater@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:45abf8b2.769487296@news.supernews.com...
Quote: "Jorge R. Frank" <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> wrote:
This was just posted at alt.binaries.documentaries and
alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries. It is a great documentary
from 1987.
Um, he gave you the newsgroup names. What more do you want? :-)
Downloading binaries from Usenet is a bit of a black art to those of us
who are used to just clicking links.
Hell, downloading binaries from Usenet is a bit of a black art to
those of us who are used to downloading binaries from Usenet.
D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.
-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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| Herb Schaltegger |
| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:03 pm |
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:16:37 -0600, Jim wrote
(in article <45acec59$0$8990$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>):
Quote: Is "Pointer: The Real Stuff" the name of the documentary?
I am asking because I want to find the tape or CD. I don't want to DL it. I
have tried to DL binaries and can't seem to get the hang of it. Have to have
this reader and that compiler etc... and I just have no idea about yenc. I
just want to watch the movie.
Thanks.
Jim
The name of the documentary is "The Real Stuff." I think by "Pointer:" the
original poster was pointing us at his upload, like saying "Heads Up" or
"Atttention."
Depending on what newsreader you use, binaries can be simple or incredibly
complex. This one appears to be worth it, however. |
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| Jim Oberg |
| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:45 pm |
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"Jorge R. Frank" <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> wrote stuff
Jorge, was it Cleon that made that ATO call, or somebody
else, of another gender? |
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| Jim Oberg |
| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:54 pm |
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It was Jenny Howard, right?
How did Cleon's name get associated with the call? |
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| Pat Barnaby |
| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:32 pm |
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As you may recall, the engine failure (sensor problem really) led to the
ATO abort. I assume Booster (Jenny) was responsible for announcing that.
I don't know enough about the MCC to know who actually tracks the abort
regions (FIDO?), all I know is that, in the movie, its the Flight Director
who tells CAPCOM who then calls to the crew Abort ATO.
And although its over 20 years ago, when I look at the movie, and they show
the Flight Director, that person, to me, looks like Cleon. Maybe I'm
wrong.
The movie focuses also on a later decision made during that same ascent.
One of the sensors on one of the remaining engines goes bad and Jenny calls
for the engine limits switch to go to inhibit to avoid a second engine out.
She passes that on to the Flight Director and the movie shows that call
being passed up to the crew via the CAPCOM.
A rather exciting 9 minutes. I'm sure Gene Krantz was proud of everybody. |
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| Jorge R. Frank |
| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:21 pm |
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Pat Barnaby <pbarnaby01@gmail.net> wrote in
news:Xns98BA9E26C6E54token@216.196.97.131:
Quote: As you may recall, the engine failure (sensor problem really) led to
the ATO abort. I assume Booster (Jenny) was responsible for
announcing that. I don't know enough about the MCC to know who
actually tracks the abort regions (FIDO?), all I know is that, in the
movie, its the Flight Director who tells CAPCOM who then calls to the
crew Abort ATO.
Yes, FDO makes the abort boundary calls.
Quote: And although its over 20 years ago, when I look at the movie, and they
show the Flight Director, that person, to me, looks like Cleon. Maybe
I'm wrong.
The movie focuses also on a later decision made during that same
ascent. One of the sensors on one of the remaining engines goes bad
and Jenny calls for the engine limits switch to go to inhibit to avoid
a second engine out. She passes that on to the Flight Director and
the movie shows that call being passed up to the crew via the CAPCOM.
A rather exciting 9 minutes. I'm sure Gene Krantz was proud of
everybody.
Lacefield was indeed the Ascent/Entry flight director for 51F. John Cox was
Lead, Al Pennington and Lee Briscoe were the other two Orbit flight
directors. Gene Kranz was MOD.
Post-flight, the honor of hanging the plaque at Mission Control went to
FDO/Brian Perry & BOOSTER/Jenny Howard (now Stein).
Brian, if you have trouble downloading the video, let me know and I'll find
a way to get you a copy.
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JRF
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