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Kali
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:50 pm
Guest
In <kiua2.36k.19.1@news.alt.net>, Tim Walters
timwalters@terraform.es said:
: If someone develops MPD, is one of the personalities like the one he had
: before its development? For example, if the person had a sense of humour
: beforehand, would one of the personalities have a sense of humour now?
:
: How often are cures effected?
:
: Tim

MPD doesn't exist as a diagnostic category anymore; it has been
replaced with the term Dissociative Identity Disorder. All we
ever get is one personality.

The term MPD comes from the observation of reified ego state
phenomena. Some clinicians and researchers also report having
observed genuine amnestic boundaries between the ego states, so
that while a person is in one state of mind, he or she cannot
recall events that occured while the person was in another state
of mind. So amnesia for events, reported by a 35 year-old client
who insists she's a 7 year-old with a different name than the
client, is often the basis for diagnosis.

According to those who uphold DID as a valid diagnostic
category, the condition develops as a result of trauma during
early development. On the other hand, skeptics hold that the
condition is the result of sociocultural factors on individuals
with personality disorders and their (nonskeptical) therapists.

So to answer your question: an individual has one personality, a
sense of humor is something better developed in some people than
others, and in some situations or moods it may seem like we
don't have much of a sense of humor.

As to the cure: proponents who justify DID as a diagnostic
category say that for healing to occur the amnestic barriers
need to be dismantled and the various mood states integrated
into a cooperative whole, which is how most people function.
Skeptics say that the dramatic presentation of the condition
should be viewed as personality disorder phenomena (borderline
in particular) in a certain sociocultural context (which
includes social contagion and therapists' expectations) and that
treatment for the BPD should be more effective. Clinicians who
claim to treat DID to successful conclusion often claim that DID
is treatable, while BPD is often not.

There is theory coming out of cognitive psychology research that
seeks to explain the phenomenon by focusing on what we know
about memory. It is experimental, and I find it fairly eloquent.
You might want to look up "motivated forgetting". That, combined
with the fact that trauma in childhood can (not must, but can)
profoundly affect personality and moral and social development,
might lead us to a more accurate, scientific explanation of some
of what DID supportive clinicians and researchers are observing.

Kali
--
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called
research, would it?"
- Albert Einstein
Kali
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:10 pm
Guest
In <Ee5uh.1324$ya1.124@news02.roc.ny>, Card XII
blotsparade@sciencefrontiers.com said:
:
: "Tim Walters" <timwalters@terraform.es> wrote in message
: news:l6u5b.qht.19.1@news.alt.net...
: >
: > "card xii" <dlrodgers@frontiersnet.net> wrote in message
: > news:hnJsh.1019$ya1.473@news02.roc.ny...
: >>
: >> "Tim Walters" <timwalters@terraform.es> wrote in message
: >> news:ks8go.sko.19.1@news.alt.net...
: >> >
: >> > "Card XII" <blotsparade@sciencefrontiers.com> wrote in message
: >> > news:LZMrh.836$ya1.125@news02.roc.ny...
: >> ...
: >> >
: >> > I tried writing to you personally but the message bounced. Would you
: > email
: >> > me, please?
: >>
: >> I don't wish to appear rude, but no. It is unwise to engage in email in
: >> usenet
: >> groups because of all the kooks that I'm sure you also see lurking here,
: > and
: >> the masses of spam that would follow.
: >>
: >> If you really need to discuss these things with somebody personally or in
: >> more detail, I strongly suggest that you visit with a clinical
: > psychologist
: >> (one with a doctoral degree and licensed in your state as a psychologist)
: >> and not somebody who states that he or she is an expert in treating
: >> dissociative identity disorder or multiple personality disorder.
: >>
: >> Please remember that this newsgroup is a forum for discussing the science
: > of
: >> psychotherapy. It is not a good place to discuss personal experiences,
: >> to
: >> seek advice or guidance, etc. In fact, with all the kooks on usenet, it
: > is
: >> a really bad idea. Actually, the best place to discuss anything about
: >> psychotherapy may be on sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated.
: >
: >
: > I tried. I sent them the following message:
: >
: > <<
: > If someone develops MPD, is one of the personalities like the one he had
: > before its development? For example, if the person had a sense of humour
: > beforehand, would one of the personalities have a sense of humour now?
: >
: > How often are cures effected?
: >>>
: >
: > The message wasn't posted. I always understood that the purpose of a
: > moderated ng was to keep out spammers and loons. My question was serious.
: > The fact that the moderator chose to reject it smacks to me of censorship.
: >
: > Yes, I know it's the same question I posted here, but I was entitled to
: > expect a higher standard of professionalism there.
: >
: > Or so I thought.
: >
: > Tim
:
: Your question might be serious, but it is off topic for that newsgroup, and
: this one as well. So, it would probably be rejected for that moderated
: newsgroup.

A psychological condition is topical for sppm. And advice
seekers have sometimes inadvertently brought an interesting
topic idea to sppm. Of course I know in the past "we've done DID
to death" in sppm. It's been years, tho.

: These are "sci.*" newsgroups, not alt.support.* If you want help with your
: own problems, no ethical, responsible professional is going to answer your
: questions in the manner you seem to need. And you are very, very unwise
: posting questions about yourself on usenet. Ever.

This is certainly true. He did frame the question in a way that
allows a respondee the opportunity to avoid the personal and
stick with the theories and data however.

: I repeat: seek out a professional, probalby best to get a doctoral level
: psychologist for your questions.
:
: card xii
:

Kali
--
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called
research, would it?"
- Albert Einstein
Sammybaby
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:55 am
Guest
Physical conditions and illness can also be different between
personalities. The main one needing glasses, others not. Even heart
conditions held by one and not by others.

On 25 Jan, 19:50, Kali <k...@powder.keg> wrote:
Quote:
In <kiua2.36k.1...@news.alt.net>, Tim Walters
timwalt...@terraform.es said:
: If someone develops MPD, is one of the personalities like the one he had
: before its development? For example, if the person had a sense of humour
: beforehand, would one of the personalities have a sense of humour now?
:
: How often are cures effected?
:
: Tim

MPD doesn't exist as a diagnostic category anymore; it has been
replaced with the term Dissociative Identity Disorder. All we
ever get is one personality.

The term MPD comes from the observation of reified ego state
phenomena. Some clinicians and researchers also report having
observed genuine amnestic boundaries between the ego states, so
that while a person is in one state of mind, he or she cannot
recall events that occured while the person was in another state
of mind. So amnesia for events, reported by a 35 year-old client
who insists she's a 7 year-old with a different name than the
client, is often the basis for diagnosis.

According to those who uphold DID as a valid diagnostic
category, the condition develops as a result of trauma during
early development. On the other hand, skeptics hold that the
condition is the result of sociocultural factors on individuals
with personality disorders and their (nonskeptical) therapists.

So to answer your question: an individual has one personality, a
sense of humor is something better developed in some people than
others, and in some situations or moods it may seem like we
don't have much of a sense of humor.

As to the cure: proponents who justify DID as a diagnostic
category say that for healing to occur the amnestic barriers
need to be dismantled and the various mood states integrated
into a cooperative whole, which is how most people function.
Skeptics say that the dramatic presentation of the condition
should be viewed as personality disorder phenomena (borderline
in particular) in a certain sociocultural context (which
includes social contagion and therapists' expectations) and that
treatment for the BPD should be more effective. Clinicians who
claim to treat DID to successful conclusion often claim that DID
is treatable, while BPD is often not.

There is theory coming out of cognitive psychology research that
seeks to explain the phenomenon by focusing on what we know
about memory. It is experimental, and I find it fairly eloquent.
You might want to look up "motivated forgetting". That, combined
with the fact that trauma in childhood can (not must, but can)
profoundly affect personality and moral and social development,
might lead us to a more accurate, scientific explanation of some
of what DID supportive clinicians and researchers are observing.

Kali
--
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called
research, would it?"
- Albert Einstein
Professeur Von TwoSteps O
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:14 am
Guest
From : Kali <kali@powder.keg>
Message-ID : <epau57$cr$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>



Quote:
it has been
replaced with the term Dissociative Identity Disorder


Well you should know (DDNos)-Kali, *you* have been living with those loose Dissociative
Identity Disorder marbles inside *your* resonating head since childhood


In the real world it has been replaced with the term *screwball*
Paint it how you like, the medical fact is *you* are sick in the head..


Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha



--

Professeur Von TwoSteps OA
*I* care
Professeur Von TwoSteps O
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:20 am
Guest
From : "Card XII" <blotsparade@sciencefrontiers.com>
Message-ID : <Ee5uh.1324$ya1.124@news02.roc.ny>


Quote:
probalby best to get a doctoral level
psychologist for your questions


They are very difficult to find these days, most of them are serving jail
time for accidently letting their trousers drop around their ankles when
giving patients personal hygiene lessons





--

Professeur Von TwoSteps OA
*I* care
card xii
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:19 pm
Guest
"Sammybaby" <roastfreesteel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1169823350.354509.198420@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
Physical conditions and illness can also be different between
personalities. The main one needing glasses, others not. Even heart
conditions held by one and not by others.


That doesn't hold up under scientific scrutiny. Now, if somebody were to
demonstrate that a cataract or astygmatism is present in one "personality"
and not in the others, that would be impressive. But it hasn't happened.
For one "personality" to claim a need and the other to deny it, that does
not prove anything at all. Or for one personality to have Crohn's disease,
with the endoscopic observations associated with it, and the other none of
those, that would be impressive. Or a pathological tachycardia in one and
not the other.

Nothing of the sort has been found.

Science does not operate on the basis of personal observations alone, but
insists on parsimony, validation, and so forth. Parsimony certainly does
not support the notion of multiple personalities. Hell, even personal
observation does not if you look at the number of cases that have been outed
(eg, the "Hillside Strangler"). And validation hasn't supported it, either.

You need to have an open mind. Personally, I would love to see some actual
proof of multiple personalities. That would be way interesting. So would a
flying saucer. I am eagerly, enthusiastically open to anything like that.
But I am also eagerly, enthusiastically open to facts.

'Nuff said.

card xii
 
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