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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:38 pm |
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I have been looking through loads of groups. Odd subject for Christmas day
perhaps.
I wonder if someone could explain to me in simple terms what BPD is? More
importantly what causes it?
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| Herb |
Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:38 pm |
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"confused@com" <confusedcom@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Quote: I have been looking through loads of groups. Odd subject for Christmas day
perhaps.
I wonder if someone could explain to me in simple terms what BPD is? More
importantly what causes it?
Thank you.
I'm not a psychologist but I have BPD too. It's a severe personality
disorder, not usually treatable with medication. What causes it? Lots of
stuff. eg AA traumatic childhood.
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| John Jones |
Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:38 pm |
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confused@com wrote:
Quote: I have been looking through loads of groups. Odd subject for Christmas day
perhaps.
I wonder if someone could explain to me in simple terms what BPD is? More
importantly what causes it?
Thank you.
BPD is a behaviourial condition caused by the brain. On the other hand,
the condition of 'ordinary behaviour' is not caused by the brain. Do
you have any other behaviour that is caused by the brain? I don't. |
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| marcia |
Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:58 pm |
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John Jones wrote:
Quote: confused@com wrote:
I have been looking through loads of groups. Odd subject for Christmas day
perhaps.
I wonder if someone could explain to me in simple terms what BPD is? More
importantly what causes it?
Thank you.
BPD is a behaviourial condition caused by the brain. On the other hand,
the condition of 'ordinary behaviour' is not caused by the brain. Do
you have any other behaviour that is caused by the brain? I don't.
My favorite line of yours is that your brain is like a sack of
groceries. Kinda explains your ko0ky answers. |
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 5:05 pm |
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"Herb" <herbertsbatallion@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"confused@com" <confusedcom@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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I wonder if someone could explain to me in simple terms what BPD is?
More
importantly what causes it?
Thank you.
I'm not a psychologist but I have BPD too. It's a severe personality
disorder, not usually treatable with medication. What causes it? Lots of
stuff. eg AA traumatic childhood.
I am not sure I have this but the real problem is I have absolutely no
trauma in my childhood to link it to. Hence the question. |
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:49 pm |
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"confused@com" <confusedcom@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Quote: I have been looking through loads of groups. Odd subject for Christmas day
perhaps.
I wonder if someone could explain to me in simple terms what BPD is? More
importantly what causes it?
Thank you.
I assume you mean "borderline personality disorder." Or do you mean
"bipolar disorder?"
Just using initials is not something most mental health professionals would
do, as doing so fails to really convey much about the topic and fails to
convey the many semantic attachments to the actual term.
Which do you mean?
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:39 am |
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"card xii" <dlrodgers@frontiersnet.net> wrote in message
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"confused@com" <confusedcom@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:5pOdnUG7g66LtQ3YnZ2dnUVZ8sylnZ2d@bt.com...
I assume you mean "borderline personality disorder." Or do you mean
"bipolar disorder?"
Just using initials is not something most mental health professionals
would
do, as doing so fails to really convey much about the topic and fails to
convey the many semantic attachments to the actual term.
Which do you mean?
I mean borderline personality disorder, although it was said to me as BPD
( as in " I think you have a personality disorder , BPD") .
I do not have manic depression. I do get depressed. In fact I doubt if I
have ever not been depressed as long as I can remember. I just find it hard
to keep living with this.
I want to know what causes it. I havent been abused or have any problems
like that so I want to know why I have it. How I got it if you like.
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| Herb |
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:59 am |
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"confused@com" <confusedcom@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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"card xii" <dlrodgers@frontiersnet.net> wrote in message
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"confused@com" <confusedcom@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:5pOdnUG7g66LtQ3YnZ2dnUVZ8sylnZ2d@bt.com...
I assume you mean "borderline personality disorder." Or do you mean
"bipolar disorder?"
Just using initials is not something most mental health professionals
would
do, as doing so fails to really convey much about the topic and fails to
convey the many semantic attachments to the actual term.
Which do you mean?
I mean borderline personality disorder, although it was said to me as BPD
( as in " I think you have a personality disorder , BPD") .
I do not have manic depression. I do get depressed. In fact I doubt if I
have ever not been depressed as long as I can remember. I just find it
hard
to keep living with this.
I want to know what causes it. I havent been abused or have any problems
like that so I want to know why I have it. How I got it if you like.
Hi,
Any kind of childhood trauma can cause it, not just abuse. Was your mother
or father ever absent for extended periods of time, for example? Seperation
anxiety is often a hallmark of people suffering from BPD.
Herb. |
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:12 am |
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"Herb" <herbertsbatallion@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi,
Any kind of childhood trauma can cause it, not just abuse. Was your mother
or father ever absent for extended periods of time, for example?
Seperation
anxiety is often a hallmark of people suffering from BPD.
My parents were never absent, either of them. In fact they never went
anywhere they couldnt take me so I was never left.
I was always quiet as a child - " shy" was the term often used. I just
didnt get on well with people around and didnt make friends either very
much.
But I am sure now with hindsight I was always depressed.
As I have got older things have gotten worse because I cant seem to do the
things you are expected to do.
The only thing I can put this down to is that in my last four years at
school there was a girl in my class who got everyone to stop speaking to me
.. I dont know why she did it. I dont what I did wrong, but no one spoke to
me , I didnt have friends, I wasnt invited anywhere and if I went to school
things I was ignored and shunned so I didnt go.
It didnt matter when I was young because it wasnt demanded, now suddenly it
is and I cant cope because I dont know how to. I dont seem to know how to
string a sentence together anymore when I am with people.
I just need for someone to explain to me what to do. I havent learned the
social skills everyone else seems to have learned. and I cant do the things
they do normally. I'm just nervous all the time and panic if I have to meet
people or say anything , even to get on a bus.
As far as I can work out Borderline personality disorder means they have
decided nothing can be done to help me in any way. I didnt think I was that
bad. I just dont know what to do. |
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:19 pm |
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"confused@com" <confusedcom@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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"card xii" <dlrodgers@frontiersnet.net> wrote in message
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"confused@com" <confusedcom@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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I assume you mean "borderline personality disorder." Or do you mean
"bipolar disorder?"
Just using initials is not something most mental health professionals
would
do, as doing so fails to really convey much about the topic and fails to
convey the many semantic attachments to the actual term.
Which do you mean?
I mean borderline personality disorder, although it was said to me as BPD
( as in " I think you have a personality disorder , BPD") .
I do not have manic depression. I do get depressed. In fact I doubt if I
have ever not been depressed as long as I can remember. I just find it
hard
to keep living with this.
I want to know what causes it. I havent been abused or have any problems
like that so I want to know why I have it. How I got it if you like.
Excuse me if I get a bit teacherly, but there are several important concepts
here that you would profit from understanding. It is good that you
clarified that you referred to borderline personality.
The most important criteria for borderline personality disorder are labile
emotions, frequent angry depression, and difficulty dealing with parental
figures in day-to-day life. Strong suicidal urges are frequent. Many
people would include a history of abuse during childhood, but the jury is
out on that one. But basically, the name describes it all: the personality
is not fully developed or stabilized so the individual does not have a
consistent, mature coping strategy.
Usually, individuals with borderline personality are treated with
antidepressant medication, less often with antipsychotic medications or
antianxiety medications. In my own, personal opinion, I don't think they
work. Instead, I think that good, insight-oriented psychotherapy is the
best course. And typically, it takes longer than therapy for other
disorders. Reason for the length of time and also the effectiveness? The
very issues that are a problem for the borderline personality (parental or
authority figures, emotinal immaturity, and depression with an interpersonal
tone) are the very things most easily brought out and dealt with in
insight-oriented psychotherapy.
By insight-oriented therapy, I mean client-centered, interpersonal, and
maybe dialectical therapy. The data are still coming in on the last one,
and I think that all three are effective if and only if the therapist is
kind, firm, patient, and wisely empathetic.
On the other hand, not all individuals with bipolar disorder become
depressed. The old term, "manic depressive," was never considered to be an
accurate term. Though many such individuals do alternate between periods of
depression and hypomania, some exhibit only one of the extremes.
In fact, even depression as described above (angry depression, labile
emotions, etc.) does not necessarily mean that there is a borderline
depression. There could be very good reasons for those emotions and
reactions, and that has to be ruled out first. For example, a feeling of
hopelessness can lead to the same effects, or a feeling that one has been
abandoned by a loved one.
My real point? Good luck, and stick with treatment. None of what you
describe sounds like fun, for sure, and the chances of your feeling better,
much better, are good. Hang in and again, good luck!
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:23 pm |
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"confused@com" <confusedcom@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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"card xii" <dlrodgers@frontiersnet.net> wrote in message
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"confused@com" <confusedcom@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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I assume you mean "borderline personality disorder." Or do you mean
"bipolar disorder?"
Just using initials is not something most mental health professionals
would
do, as doing so fails to really convey much about the topic and fails to
convey the many semantic attachments to the actual term.
Which do you mean?
I mean borderline personality disorder, although it was said to me as BPD
( as in " I think you have a personality disorder , BPD") .
I do not have manic depression. I do get depressed. In fact I doubt if I
have ever not been depressed as long as I can remember. I just find it
hard
to keep living with this.
I want to know what causes it. I havent been abused or have any problems
like that so I want to know why I have it. How I got it if you like.
Hi,
Any kind of childhood trauma can cause it, not just abuse. Was your mother
or father ever absent for extended periods of time, for example?
Seperation anxiety is often a hallmark of people suffering from BPD.
Herb.
The existence of fear of separation is usually there, true. But it is not
at all proven that it is a result of actual or threatened loss. Nor is the
existence of childhood trauma a given. But they all raise good questions,
and you mae a good point.
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"confused@com" <confusedcom@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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"Herb" <herbertsbatallion@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi,
Any kind of childhood trauma can cause it, not just abuse. Was your
mother
or father ever absent for extended periods of time, for example?
Seperation
anxiety is often a hallmark of people suffering from BPD.
My parents were never absent, either of them. In fact they never went
anywhere they couldnt take me so I was never left.
I was always quiet as a child - " shy" was the term often used. I just
didnt get on well with people around and didnt make friends either very
much.
But I am sure now with hindsight I was always depressed.
As I have got older things have gotten worse because I cant seem to do the
things you are expected to do.
The only thing I can put this down to is that in my last four years at
school there was a girl in my class who got everyone to stop speaking to
me
. I dont know why she did it. I dont what I did wrong, but no one spoke to
me , I didnt have friends, I wasnt invited anywhere and if I went to
school
things I was ignored and shunned so I didnt go.
It didnt matter when I was young because it wasnt demanded, now suddenly
it
is and I cant cope because I dont know how to. I dont seem to know how to
string a sentence together anymore when I am with people.
I just need for someone to explain to me what to do. I havent learned the
social skills everyone else seems to have learned. and I cant do the
things
they do normally. I'm just nervous all the time and panic if I have to
meet
people or say anything , even to get on a bus.
As far as I can work out Borderline personality disorder means they have
decided nothing can be done to help me in any way. I didnt think I was
that
bad. I just dont know what to do.
As I said in my early post, that is not true. Many mental health
professionals are lousy at dealing with borderline personality issues, but
some are very good. Get a wise, patient, empathetic, but not overly huggy
therapist. A really good one. I strongly suggest a psychologist with a
doctorate, because you need someone with all the training they can get.
But you have to stick with it. Whatever the diagnosis.
Good luck!
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:42 pm |
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"confused@com" <confusedcom@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Quote: The only thing I can put this down to is that in my last four years at
school there was a girl in my class who got everyone to stop speaking to
me
. I dont know why she did it. I dont what I did wrong, but no one spoke to
me , I didnt have friends, I wasnt invited anywhere and if I went to
school
things I was ignored and shunned so I didnt go.
As far as I can work out Borderline personality disorder means they have
decided nothing can be done to help me in any way. I didnt think I was
that
bad.
Psychiatry considers the average persons perception of reality to be the
"norm".
Psychiatry considers those whose perception of reality has no basis in fact
to be "psychotic".
Your sharing territory with hatemongerers who engaged in malicious behavior
that resulted in your experiencing reality differently then you peer group
has resulted in your perceptions of reality being different then the norm.
However, your perception of reality being the result of your actually
experiencing reality differntly then you peers, means your perceptions are
based upon fact; therefore, your perceptions are not psychotic.
The designation "borderline" refers to the fact that your perception of
reality is niether that of an average person, nor the perception of a
psychotic.
Border ==--margins ===limbo====parallel universe / parallel reality. |
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"card xii" <dlrodgers@frontiersnet.net> wrote in message
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Excuse me if I get a bit teacherly, but there are several important
concepts
here that you would profit from understanding. It is good that you
clarified that you referred to borderline personality.
The most important criteria for borderline personality disorder are labile
emotions,
This is what I cannot understand. I dont think I fit the criteria from
reading about them. I do not have changeable emotions.
frequent angry depression,
I get depressed and I know people say that depression is anger directed
inward but I dont have anger outbursts at all. In fact someone once said I
needed to get angry because I didnt kno how to be angry.
and difficulty dealing with parental
Quote: figures in day-to-day life.
I dont have this problem. I always got on well with my parents. I am quite
compliant mostly for nearly everyone. In fact forget the nearly. I am a
total doormat and I know it.
Strong suicidal urges are frequent.
I did try to kill myself. I didnt succeed more by accident that design but
only did it once.
Many
Quote: people would include a history of abuse during childhood,
no, that one doesnt apply at all, I am sure.
But basically, the name describes it all: the personality
Quote: is not fully developed or stabilized so the individual does not have a
consistent, mature coping strategy.
That bit is probably true. I admit I cannot cope.
Quote:
Usually, individuals with borderline personality are treated with
antidepressant medication,
Yes, been given these , they dont seem to work very much.
less often with antipsychotic medications
No,
or
Quote: antianxiety medications.
again dont really work.
I have the feeling I have been given a label so that people can write me
off and say there is no hope and so no one has to suggest anything more or
offer anything more.
In my own, personal opinion, I don't think they
Quote: work. Instead, I think that good, insight-oriented psychotherapy is the
best course. And typically, it takes longer than therapy for other
disorders. Reason for the length of time and also the effectiveness? The
very issues that are a problem for the borderline personality (parental or
authority figures, emotinal immaturity, and depression with an
interpersonal
tone) are the very things most easily brought out and dealt with in
insight-oriented psychotherapy.
By insight-oriented therapy, I mean client-centered, interpersonal, and
maybe dialectical therapy. The data are still coming in on the last one,
and I think that all three are effective if and only if the therapist is
kind, firm, patient, and wisely empathetic.
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I have the feeling I have been given a label so that people can write me
off and say there is no hope and so no one has to suggest anything more
or
offer anything more.
That does happen. If you are not comfortable with the assessment AND the
treatment AND the person doing the treatment with you, then get somebody
else. Not everybody needs a doctoral level therapist, but I strongly
suggest that for you. Somebody has to be willing to stay the course with
you, and that will almost always be somebody who is a process-oriented
psychotherapist, not somebody who is trying to give you fairly quick
solutions or assignments.
Again, good luck.
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