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You suckas got served.

This would be the part where you declare victory, and go
away?

Bye.





Door...hitting you in the ass.

I'm the door, kid.

More of a knob.

Yeah, whatever you say. As near as I can tell, you couldn't sell a
bucket of water to a man on fire. If I were you I would go ahead
and study up for that GED. High school is not doing you any good.
Before you know it, your parents will want you out of the house and
you will be on your own. I'm serious, Jason. You really aren't
very good at this.


Waahhhh! The bad man insulted me, mommy. In a ham-handed fashion.

I imagine your mommy has already given up on you. But, I think we've
found something you can do and be a success:

http://www.andyco.com/sponsors/daves_septic/daves.html

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Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot
crater.

When did it do that?

Very early on.

You are correct about that, but it was a misreporting based
upon
the
amount of debris in the crater.


Debris made it wider?

No, idiot, when the debris was cleared, it was wider than
originally
thought.


Hahahahahahaha. Yes, the more you dig in a hole, the bigger it gets.

Very good, Kris.


Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal
damage?

Because there weren't any buildings across the street. It was
a parking lot. The next closest building, a parking structure
down
the
street a bit from the truck bomb location was pretty much
devastated.
Not to mention the damage to the Water Resources building and
the Journal Record Building.


So all the cars across the street were blown to shit, then?

Actually, they were. One of the cars I saw pictured in the
paper,
totally destroyed, was a yellow Miata that I used to see several
mornings a week, as the woman who owned it lived in the same
area
as
I
did at the time. I knew the car from the vanity tag clearly
visible
in the picture - "My Auta". I suppose you think the "Guv'mint"
drove
all the way up to far northwest OKC, stole her car, rolled it a
few times, and then planted it in the lot?


Got a cite? I can't find any photos of damaged, blown to shit
cars.

It was in the Daily Oklahoman, you can access their archives at
www.newsok.com - it's a pay service, so you'll have to pony up
some cash.


So you have no cite.




You do know you can't shape a truck bomb charge, right?

Of course, which is why cars were blown to shit in the lot
across
the street - the blast wave went in all directions.


Equivalent damage on both sides of the street?


Must have been a huge secondary explosion then, right?

Nope,, same one - debris tends to fly and hit things, you
know...


Right...

Yeah, dude, debris only goes where it's told.



Debris flying OUTWARD from the Murrah building means the bomb was
internal to the building, Kris...


Please think about that.


So why no exploding cars?

You watch too many movies - it's damn hard to blow a car up by
dropping a hunk of concrete on it.


Why would concrete fly outward due to to a truck bomb, Kris?




Why all the reports of other bombs?

There were 3 IIRC, all of which turned out not to be true.
When
one
is crawling through a bombed out building and runs across
something
that looks like a bomb, the safe bet is to assume it is a bomb
until
proven otherwise. In all cases at the Murrah building, these
reports
turned out to be false.


And that's why they said these bombs could be used to ID the
terrorists?

Some news reports did, all later proven to be without any
factual
basis to them. Media speculation - as I've said before, I
watched
the
local media coverage as it happened, there was a lot of wild
shit said. The media here more or less blamed some poor
Jordanian guy because he supposedly "left home quickly" after
the bombing for the airport. Turned out all he was guilty of
was making an emergency
trip
home on a family matter. That was a major fuck-up on the part
of
the
media and law enforcement - who all but had the guy lynched
before
5
o'cock on the 19th.

Red Herring.

No, xenophobia and hysteria. I don't know how many times that
day
that people - just average people, no media - were saying that the
"Towelheads" did it, and that guy unfortunately got caught in the
hysteria. America just didn't want to believe that white boys can
be terrorists to. i don't see what's so hard about that - Britian
has been dealing with the IRA for decades, is it so hard to accept
that there are radicals within our society that would attack other
Americans to further their cause?





This video proves you are clearly lying:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/120603roadtotyranny.html





'Confirmed by federal authorities", etc.

You are a complete moron - refer back to Ralph's post above. Who
am
I going to believe, a bunch of 'net conpiracy wankers


OK newscasters?

or a person
experienced in disasters? I told you the photos can be obtained
from the Daily Oklahoman, you just have to ask for them and pay
their small fee for downloading them.

Hahahahaha.

If you aren't willing to do this and
instead want to claim "I have no cite" because of this, then you are
an even sorrier little wuss than I ever thought. Contact the Daily
Oklahoman, you might be shocked at what you find in the archives of
a legitimate news source whose people were *actually* there. Their
photos are copyrighted, and it would be illegal for me to post them
elsewhere - but you can get them the same way I did, by requesting
them and paying their nominal fee.

You're scared to watch it, aren't you?

The news reports alone prove it wasn't a truck bomb. Governor Keating
himself confirmed this.

Did you ever consider the possibility that these conspiracy theories
are just a big conspiracy (perpetrated by "the man") to make you look
stupid?

Jerry

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On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:30:26 -0000, "Step Three: Profit"
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 16:57:31 -0000, Don Dirk of Dowdawee
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Bàidh Stidean <I.am.me.as.you.are.he@the.walrus.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 06:18:34 -0000, Swedish Scat Team
guh@buh.cuh
wrote:


*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and
military.

A standdown.

Yes, you are absolutely right, Jason! I didn't see
Oklahoma
ANG
and
USAF aircraft operating over Oklahoma City on 9/11. You
remember
Oklahoma City, don't you? You should, you tried rearranging
our
entire downtown area about a year ago to fit another of your
bullshit
conspiracies.


Is that why you spanked off and ran away?

Actually, that was you, after claiming the YMCA was "across
the
street" from the Murrah Building, amongst other lies. Do try
to
lay
off the smoke and keep your claims straight.


Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot
crater.

Explained ad nauseum.


Nope. Never.

Cite?

You already know where it is, you just deny what it says.


The only cite you can find costs money to read?

A lot of legitimate newspapers charge for accessing their
archives,
sorry. Obviously, we can now chalk up web hosting to the litany of
things you know nothing about. It costs a newspaper money to
maintain an extensive archive complete with search engines - why
wouldn't they charge for it?

Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?

There were no buildings directly across the street, all that
was
there was a parking lot.



And the cars were heavily damaged, as the building was?

You obviously know *nothing* about the building's construction,
which I explained in another post, the upper floors collapsed
because the bomb took out the main transfer beam that held the
cantilevered floors, 3-9 - the damage you see on the upper floors
was caused by this, not a bomb tearing a hole in them.
Furthermore, the entire north face of the building was glass on
3-9, the shockwave alone shattered all of that. Hell, it blew
windows out on the upper floors of the 300' tall Bank of Oklahoma
Plaza two blocks south...


So it was strong enough to blow apart concrete columns from a
distance, but it didn't do the same thing across the street?

There were no concrete columns across the street, duh... There
was
a parkinh lot. On the other side of the lot was the Journal Record
Building, built in 1923 of a totally different construction method.
The Water Resources Building and the Athenian Building were also
built from different methods - all three suffered structural damage.
Most buildings built in Oklahoma City prior to the 1950's were
"overbuilt" in the sense that they had a lot of steel and reinforced
concrete to withstand tornadic winds. Our modern buildings are
built from different methods and architectural schools of thought.
Are they safer? I don't honestly know, but having worked downtown
during some ugly storms - I'd much rather be in one of the old
buildings from the 1920's or 1930's than some of the glass-walled
ones built in the past 30 years.
What's the point of that? Simple - you cannot compare buildings
built in 1977 with those built in 1923 - or in the case of the
Athenian, 1904. It's apples and oranges - and the fact that these
older buildings *did* suffer varying levels of damage shows that the
blast effects were carried over. To think that all damage would be
*exactly* the same as the Murrah building is really short-sighted.
Why did some buildings survive the 1906 earthquake in San Francisco
and others didn't? Different construction.

Why all the reports of other bombs?

Explained ad nauseum.

Weak lies.

Established fact.


You do know you can't easily mix diesel and fertilizer, and even if
you could, it wouldn't do anywhere near that much damage, don't you?

What's your explanation for the 1947 Texas City disaster, then?



Gas lines were ruptured. Look into it.

Wrong. What caused the inital explosion that touched off the
secondary explosions at the refinery and the Monsanto plant? Are you
scared to admit it because it guts your claims about the explosive
nature of certian fertilizers?

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On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:30:26 -0000, "Step Three: Profit"
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 16:57:31 -0000, Don Dirk of Dowdawee
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 06:18:34 -0000, Swedish Scat Team
guh@buh.cuh
wrote:


*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial
and
military.

A standdown.

Yes, you are absolutely right, Jason! I didn't see
Oklahoma
ANG
and
USAF aircraft operating over Oklahoma City on 9/11. You
remember
Oklahoma City, don't you? You should, you tried
rearranging
our
entire downtown area about a year ago to fit another of
your
bullshit
conspiracies.


Is that why you spanked off and ran away?

Actually, that was you, after claiming the YMCA was "across
the
street" from the Murrah Building, amongst other lies. Do try
to
lay
off the smoke and keep your claims straight.


Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot
crater.

Explained ad nauseum.


Nope. Never.

Cite?

You already know where it is, you just deny what it says.


The only cite you can find costs money to read?

A lot of legitimate newspapers charge for accessing their
archives,
sorry. Obviously, we can now chalk up web hosting to the litany of
things you know nothing about. It costs a newspaper money to
maintain an extensive archive complete with search engines - why
wouldn't they charge for it?

Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal
damage?

There were no buildings directly across the street, all that
was
there was a parking lot.



And the cars were heavily damaged, as the building was?

You obviously know *nothing* about the building's construction,
which I explained in another post, the upper floors collapsed
because the bomb took out the main transfer beam that held the
cantilevered floors, 3-9 - the damage you see on the upper floors
was caused by this, not a bomb tearing a hole in them.
Furthermore, the entire north face of the building was glass on
3-9, the shockwave alone shattered all of that. Hell, it blew
windows out on the upper floors of the 300' tall Bank of Oklahoma
Plaza two blocks south...


So it was strong enough to blow apart concrete columns from a
distance, but it didn't do the same thing across the street?

There were no concrete columns across the street, duh... There
was
a parkinh lot. On the other side of the lot was the Journal Record
Building, built in 1923 of a totally different construction method.
The Water Resources Building and the Athenian Building were also
built from different methods - all three suffered structural
damage. Most buildings built in Oklahoma City prior to the 1950's
were "overbuilt" in the sense that they had a lot of steel and
reinforced concrete to withstand tornadic winds. Our modern
buildings are built from different methods and architectural
schools of thought. Are they safer? I don't honestly know, but
having worked downtown during some ugly storms - I'd much rather be
in one of the old buildings from the 1920's or 1930's than some of
the glass-walled ones built in the past 30 years.
What's the point of that? Simple - you cannot compare buildings
built in 1977 with those built in 1923 - or in the case of the
Athenian, 1904. It's apples and oranges - and the fact that these
older buildings *did* suffer varying levels of damage shows that
the blast effects were carried over. To think that all damage
would be *exactly* the same as the Murrah building is really
short-sighted. Why did some buildings survive the 1906 earthquake
in San Francisco and others didn't? Different construction.

Why all the reports of other bombs?

Explained ad nauseum.

Weak lies.

Established fact.


You do know you can't easily mix diesel and fertilizer, and even if
you could, it wouldn't do anywhere near that much damage, don't
you?

What's your explanation for the 1947 Texas City disaster, then?



Gas lines were ruptured. Look into it.

--
What ruptured the gas lines?

Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Posting From ADA

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You suckas got served.

This would be the part where you declare victory, and go
away?

Bye.





Door...hitting you in the ass.

I'm the door, kid.

More of a knob.

Yeah, whatever you say. As near as I can tell, you couldn't sell a
bucket of water to a man on fire. If I were you I would go ahead
and study up for that GED. High school is not doing you any good.
Before you know it, your parents will want you out of the house and
you will be on your own. I'm serious, Jason. You really aren't
very good at this.


Waahhhh! The bad man insulted me, mommy. In a ham-handed fashion.

I imagine your mommy has already given up on you. But, I think we've
found something you can do and be a success:

http://www.andyco.com/sponsors/daves_septic/daves.html





I don't accept career advice from sewage processors. Thanks.

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You suckas got served.

This would be the part where you declare victory, and go
away?

Bye.





Door...hitting you in the ass.

I'm the door, kid.

More of a knob.

Yeah, whatever you say. As near as I can tell, you couldn't sell
a
bucket of water to a man on fire. If I were you I would go ahead
and study up for that GED. High school is not doing you any
good.
Before you know it, your parents will want you out of the house
and
you will be on your own. I'm serious, Jason. You really aren't
very good at this.


Waahhhh! The bad man insulted me, mommy. In a ham-handed fashion.

I imagine your mommy has already given up on you. But, I think
we've
found something you can do and be a success:

http://www.andyco.com/sponsors/daves_septic/daves.html





I don't accept career advice from sewage processors. Thanks.

You should. Give Dave a call.

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You should. Give Dave a call.





How's that working out for you, insta-response?

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On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:30:26 -0000, "Step Three: Profit"
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Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot
crater.

When did it do that?

Very early on.

You are correct about that, but it was a misreporting based
upon
the
amount of debris in the crater.


Debris made it wider?

No, idiot, when the debris was cleared, it was wider than
originally
thought.


Hahahahahahaha. Yes, the more you dig in a hole, the bigger it gets.

Very good, Kris.


Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal
damage?

Because there weren't any buildings across the street. It was
a parking lot. The next closest building, a parking structure
down
the
street a bit from the truck bomb location was pretty much
devastated.
Not to mention the damage to the Water Resources building and
the Journal Record Building.


So all the cars across the street were blown to shit, then?

Actually, they were. One of the cars I saw pictured in the
paper,
totally destroyed, was a yellow Miata that I used to see several
mornings a week, as the woman who owned it lived in the same
area
as
I
did at the time. I knew the car from the vanity tag clearly
visible
in the picture - "My Auta". I suppose you think the "Guv'mint"
drove
all the way up to far northwest OKC, stole her car, rolled it a
few times, and then planted it in the lot?


Got a cite? I can't find any photos of damaged, blown to shit
cars.

It was in the Daily Oklahoman, you can access their archives at
www.newsok.com - it's a pay service, so you'll have to pony up
some cash.


So you have no cite.




You do know you can't shape a truck bomb charge, right?

Of course, which is why cars were blown to shit in the lot
across
the street - the blast wave went in all directions.


Equivalent damage on both sides of the street?


Must have been a huge secondary explosion then, right?

Nope,, same one - debris tends to fly and hit things, you
know...


Right...

Yeah, dude, debris only goes where it's told.



Debris flying OUTWARD from the Murrah building means the bomb was
internal to the building, Kris...


Please think about that.


So why no exploding cars?

You watch too many movies - it's damn hard to blow a car up by
dropping a hunk of concrete on it.


Why would concrete fly outward due to to a truck bomb, Kris?




Why all the reports of other bombs?

There were 3 IIRC, all of which turned out not to be true.
When
one
is crawling through a bombed out building and runs across
something
that looks like a bomb, the safe bet is to assume it is a bomb
until
proven otherwise. In all cases at the Murrah building, these
reports
turned out to be false.


And that's why they said these bombs could be used to ID the
terrorists?

Some news reports did, all later proven to be without any
factual
basis to them. Media speculation - as I've said before, I
watched
the
local media coverage as it happened, there was a lot of wild
shit said. The media here more or less blamed some poor
Jordanian guy because he supposedly "left home quickly" after
the bombing for the airport. Turned out all he was guilty of
was making an emergency
trip
home on a family matter. That was a major fuck-up on the part
of
the
media and law enforcement - who all but had the guy lynched
before
5
o'cock on the 19th.

Red Herring.

No, xenophobia and hysteria. I don't know how many times that
day
that people - just average people, no media - were saying that the
"Towelheads" did it, and that guy unfortunately got caught in the
hysteria. America just didn't want to believe that white boys can
be terrorists to. i don't see what's so hard about that - Britian
has been dealing with the IRA for decades, is it so hard to accept
that there are radicals within our society that would attack other
Americans to further their cause?





This video proves you are clearly lying:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/120603roadtotyranny.html





'Confirmed by federal authorities", etc.

You are a complete moron - refer back to Ralph's post above. Who
am
I going to believe, a bunch of 'net conpiracy wankers


OK newscasters?

or a person
experienced in disasters? I told you the photos can be obtained
from the Daily Oklahoman, you just have to ask for them and pay
their small fee for downloading them.

Hahahahaha.

If you aren't willing to do this and
instead want to claim "I have no cite" because of this, then you are
an even sorrier little wuss than I ever thought. Contact the Daily
Oklahoman, you might be shocked at what you find in the archives of
a legitimate news source whose people were *actually* there. Their
photos are copyrighted, and it would be illegal for me to post them
elsewhere - but you can get them the same way I did, by requesting
them and paying their nominal fee.

You're scared to watch it, aren't you?

The news reports alone prove it wasn't a truck bomb. Governor Keating
himself confirmed this.

Did you ever consider the possibility that these conspiracy theories
are just a big conspiracy (perpetrated by "the man") to make you look
stupid?

Jerry



That's a rather idiotic viewpoint.

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*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial
and
military.

A standdown.

Yes, you are absolutely right, Jason! I didn't see
Oklahoma
ANG
and
USAF aircraft operating over Oklahoma City on 9/11. You
remember
Oklahoma City, don't you? You should, you tried
rearranging
our
entire downtown area about a year ago to fit another of
your
bullshit
conspiracies.


Is that why you spanked off and ran away?

Actually, that was you, after claiming the YMCA was "across
the
street" from the Murrah Building, amongst other lies. Do try
to
lay
off the smoke and keep your claims straight.


Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot
crater.

Explained ad nauseum.


Nope. Never.

Cite?

You already know where it is, you just deny what it says.


The only cite you can find costs money to read?

A lot of legitimate newspapers charge for accessing their
archives,
sorry. Obviously, we can now chalk up web hosting to the litany of
things you know nothing about. It costs a newspaper money to
maintain an extensive archive complete with search engines - why
wouldn't they charge for it?

Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal
damage?

There were no buildings directly across the street, all that
was
there was a parking lot.



And the cars were heavily damaged, as the building was?

You obviously know *nothing* about the building's construction,
which I explained in another post, the upper floors collapsed
because the bomb took out the main transfer beam that held the
cantilevered floors, 3-9 - the damage you see on the upper floors
was caused by this, not a bomb tearing a hole in them.
Furthermore, the entire north face of the building was glass on
3-9, the shockwave alone shattered all of that. Hell, it blew
windows out on the upper floors of the 300' tall Bank of Oklahoma
Plaza two blocks south...


So it was strong enough to blow apart concrete columns from a
distance, but it didn't do the same thing across the street?

There were no concrete columns across the street, duh... There
was
a parkinh lot. On the other side of the lot was the Journal Record
Building, built in 1923 of a totally different construction method.
The Water Resources Building and the Athenian Building were also
built from different methods - all three suffered structural
damage. Most buildings built in Oklahoma City prior to the 1950's
were "overbuilt" in the sense that they had a lot of steel and
reinforced concrete to withstand tornadic winds. Our modern
buildings are built from different methods and architectural
schools of thought. Are they safer? I don't honestly know, but
having worked downtown during some ugly storms - I'd much rather be
in one of the old buildings from the 1920's or 1930's than some of
the glass-walled ones built in the past 30 years.
What's the point of that? Simple - you cannot compare buildings
built in 1977 with those built in 1923 - or in the case of the
Athenian, 1904. It's apples and oranges - and the fact that these
older buildings *did* suffer varying levels of damage shows that
the blast effects were carried over. To think that all damage
would be *exactly* the same as the Murrah building is really
short-sighted. Why did some buildings survive the 1906 earthquake
in San Francisco and others didn't? Different construction.

Why all the reports of other bombs?

Explained ad nauseum.

Weak lies.

Established fact.


You do know you can't easily mix diesel and fertilizer, and even if
you could, it wouldn't do anywhere near that much damage, don't
you?

What's your explanation for the 1947 Texas City disaster, then?



Gas lines were ruptured. Look into it.

--
What ruptured the gas lines?

A shipload of fertilizer.

How did the ship load of fertilizer rupture the gas lines?

Ralph Nesbitt

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You suckas got served.

This would be the part where you declare victory, and go
away?

Bye.





Door...hitting you in the ass.

I'm the door, kid.

More of a knob.

Yeah, whatever you say. As near as I can tell, you couldn't sell a
bucket of water to a man on fire. If I were you I would go ahead
and study up for that GED. High school is not doing you any good.
Before you know it, your parents will want you out of the house and
you will be on your own. I'm serious, Jason. You really aren't
very good at this.


Waahhhh! The bad man insulted me, mommy. In a ham-handed fashion.

I imagine your mommy has already given up on you. But, I think we've
found something you can do and be a success:

http://www.andyco.com/sponsors/daves_septic/daves.html





I don't accept career advice from sewage processors. Thanks.

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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 06:18:34 -0000, Swedish Scat Team
guh@buh.cuh
wrote:


*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial
and
military.

A standdown.

Yes, you are absolutely right, Jason! I didn't see
Oklahoma
ANG
and
USAF aircraft operating over Oklahoma City on 9/11. You
remember
Oklahoma City, don't you? You should, you tried
rearranging
our
entire downtown area about a year ago to fit another of
your
bullshit
conspiracies.


Is that why you spanked off and ran away?

Actually, that was you, after claiming the YMCA was "across
the
street" from the Murrah Building, amongst other lies. Do try
to
lay
off the smoke and keep your claims straight.


Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot
crater.

Explained ad nauseum.


Nope. Never.

Cite?

You already know where it is, you just deny what it says.


The only cite you can find costs money to read?

A lot of legitimate newspapers charge for accessing their
archives,
sorry. Obviously, we can now chalk up web hosting to the litany of
things you know nothing about. It costs a newspaper money to
maintain an extensive archive complete with search engines - why
wouldn't they charge for it?

Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal
damage?

There were no buildings directly across the street, all that
was
there was a parking lot.



And the cars were heavily damaged, as the building was?

You obviously know *nothing* about the building's construction,
which I explained in another post, the upper floors collapsed
because the bomb took out the main transfer beam that held the
cantilevered floors, 3-9 - the damage you see on the upper floors
was caused by this, not a bomb tearing a hole in them.
Furthermore, the entire north face of the building was glass on
3-9, the shockwave alone shattered all of that. Hell, it blew
windows out on the upper floors of the 300' tall Bank of Oklahoma
Plaza two blocks south...


So it was strong enough to blow apart concrete columns from a
distance, but it didn't do the same thing across the street?

There were no concrete columns across the street, duh... There
was
a parkinh lot. On the other side of the lot was the Journal Record
Building, built in 1923 of a totally different construction method.
The Water Resources Building and the Athenian Building were also
built from different methods - all three suffered structural
damage. Most buildings built in Oklahoma City prior to the 1950's
were "overbuilt" in the sense that they had a lot of steel and
reinforced concrete to withstand tornadic winds. Our modern
buildings are built from different methods and architectural
schools of thought. Are they safer? I don't honestly know, but
having worked downtown during some ugly storms - I'd much rather be
in one of the old buildings from the 1920's or 1930's than some of
the glass-walled ones built in the past 30 years.
What's the point of that? Simple - you cannot compare buildings
built in 1977 with those built in 1923 - or in the case of the
Athenian, 1904. It's apples and oranges - and the fact that these
older buildings *did* suffer varying levels of damage shows that
the blast effects were carried over. To think that all damage
would be *exactly* the same as the Murrah building is really
short-sighted. Why did some buildings survive the 1906 earthquake
in San Francisco and others didn't? Different construction.

Why all the reports of other bombs?

Explained ad nauseum.

Weak lies.

Established fact.


You do know you can't easily mix diesel and fertilizer, and even if
you could, it wouldn't do anywhere near that much damage, don't
you?

What's your explanation for the 1947 Texas City disaster, then?



Gas lines were ruptured. Look into it.

--
What ruptured the gas lines?

A shipload of fertilizer.

How did the ship load of fertilizer rupture the gas lines?

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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 06:18:34 -0000, Swedish Scat Team
guh@buh.cuh
wrote:


*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and
military.

A standdown.

Yes, you are absolutely right, Jason! I didn't see
Oklahoma
ANG
and
USAF aircraft operating over Oklahoma City on 9/11. You
remember
Oklahoma City, don't you? You should, you tried rearranging
our
entire downtown area about a year ago to fit another of your
bullshit
conspiracies.


Is that why you spanked off and ran away?

Actually, that was you, after claiming the YMCA was "across
the
street" from the Murrah Building, amongst other lies. Do try
to
lay
off the smoke and keep your claims straight.


Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot
crater.

Explained ad nauseum.


Nope. Never.

Cite?

You already know where it is, you just deny what it says.


The only cite you can find costs money to read?

A lot of legitimate newspapers charge for accessing their
archives,
sorry. Obviously, we can now chalk up web hosting to the litany of
things you know nothing about. It costs a newspaper money to
maintain an extensive archive complete with search engines - why
wouldn't they charge for it?

Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?

There were no buildings directly across the street, all that
was
there was a parking lot.



And the cars were heavily damaged, as the building was?

You obviously know *nothing* about the building's construction,
which I explained in another post, the upper floors collapsed
because the bomb took out the main transfer beam that held the
cantilevered floors, 3-9 - the damage you see on the upper floors
was caused by this, not a bomb tearing a hole in them.
Furthermore, the entire north face of the building was glass on
3-9, the shockwave alone shattered all of that. Hell, it blew
windows out on the upper floors of the 300' tall Bank of Oklahoma
Plaza two blocks south...


So it was strong enough to blow apart concrete columns from a
distance, but it didn't do the same thing across the street?

There were no concrete columns across the street, duh... There
was
a parkinh lot. On the other side of the lot was the Journal Record
Building, built in 1923 of a totally different construction method.
The Water Resources Building and the Athenian Building were also
built from different methods - all three suffered structural damage.
Most buildings built in Oklahoma City prior to the 1950's were
"overbuilt" in the sense that they had a lot of steel and reinforced
concrete to withstand tornadic winds. Our modern buildings are
built from different methods and architectural schools of thought.
Are they safer? I don't honestly know, but having worked downtown
during some ugly storms - I'd much rather be in one of the old
buildings from the 1920's or 1930's than some of the glass-walled
ones built in the past 30 years.

A shipload of fertilizer exploded, rupturing gas lines. Look into it.

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On 10 Mar 2004 16:58:30 GMT, Supernews is SuperSHIT <spam@snuhco.com
wrote:


These photos, however, don't exist...

You're right, photos of dead people from airplane crashes are hard
to find, aren't they?

Do they exist?

You're the one who claimed that they did.


And, of course, they do.

Try again.

Try what again, Jason?

However, most of the better pictures have long since been taken
down, but there are a few left. Here's one looking out on the
parking lot from inside the Murrah building (it's the third one
down): http://photos.newsok.com/bombing/

http://photos.newsok.com/bombing/images/10930.jpg

Unimpressive. Why the asymmetrical damage?

It isn't asymmetrical, Jason.

One side of the street has a destroyed building. The other side of the
street has nothing close to that sort of damage.

Because there wasn't a building on the other side of the street,
Jason.

Can you read?

What is the little structure in the picture you directed me to?

Also the 26th photo in the presentation shows the parking lot.
Also:
http://members.tripod.com/~Tabler01/OKCBombing.html


Zzzz.




You do know you can't shape a truck bomb charge, right?

Who said it was shaped?


Check out the asymmetrical blast pattern.

It's not asymmetrical. Overhead photos available at the time showed
a nice round pattern, centered on the truck bomb.

Cite?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/08/national/main587332.shtml

Choose the interactive link on the right side of the page, then
"photo essay" and then the first photo. You can see the crater and
clearly see the circular blast pattern of the bomb. You can see the
damage to the corner of the Athenian Grill building where two people
were killed. You can see that there was no building directly across
the street from the bomb.



Then what is the little, still-standing structure across the street?

Must have been a huge secondary explosion then, right?

Nope,, same one - debris tends to fly and hit things, you
know...


Right...

So why no exploding cars?

Who said that there was no exploding cars?

The damage on the Murrah side far exceeds the damage across the
street. Explain.

There wasn't anything across the street, Jason.

I thought it was a parking lot?

There wasn't a building across the street, Jason. What an idiot
troll.

Can you read? What is a parking lot, again?