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| mcholette@sjm.com |
Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:35 pm |
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Hi Everyone,
I have a pretty difficult problem that I would really appreciate some
help in solving.
I need to measure the current induced in a conductor by a strong
magnetic field. I need to do this without using any conductive
material in the magnetic field since this will induce current in the
measurement equipment and trash the results.
Here are ideas that I've been tossing around but do not have a real
grasp on.
Can I use some light emitting diode and pump the light out in a fiber
optic cable and sample it away from the experimental setup?
Can I submerge the conductor in a liquid, measure heat generated by the
current?
I'm at a loss on how to approach this problem, any advice?
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| Dave |
Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:52 pm |
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fiber+optic+temperature+sensor
or just use an infrared camera to take it's temperature if you can see it in
action.
<mcholette@sjm.com> wrote in message
news:1167075315.800448.84260@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
Quote: Hi Everyone,
I have a pretty difficult problem that I would really appreciate some
help in solving.
I need to measure the current induced in a conductor by a strong
magnetic field. I need to do this without using any conductive
material in the magnetic field since this will induce current in the
measurement equipment and trash the results.
Here are ideas that I've been tossing around but do not have a real
grasp on.
Can I use some light emitting diode and pump the light out in a fiber
optic cable and sample it away from the experimental setup?
Can I submerge the conductor in a liquid, measure heat generated by the
current?
I'm at a loss on how to approach this problem, any advice?
Thanks!
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| Pmb |
Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:43 pm |
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<mcholette@sjm.com> wrote in message
news:1167075315.800448.84260@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
Quote: Hi Everyone,
I have a pretty difficult problem that I would really appreciate some
help in solving.
I need to measure the current induced in a conductor by a strong
magnetic field.
A magnetic field will not induce a current in a conductor unless (1) the
magnetic field is time-dependant or (2) the conductor is moved through the
magnetic field. Which one are you working with?
Quote: I need to do this without using any conductive
material in the magnetic field since this will induce current in the
measurement equipment and trash the results.
I don't understand. If you place an amp-meter inline with the current and
use a very long set of twisted leads then you can set the amp-meter far away
so as not to disturb the equipment. The twisting of the wire pairs is to
cancel the magnetic field generated by the twisted pair.
Quote:
Here are ideas that I've been tossing around but do not have a real
grasp on.
Can I use some light emitting diode and pump the light out in a fiber
optic cable and sample it away from the experimental setup?
Can I submerge the conductor in a liquid, measure heat generated by the
current?
I'm at a loss on how to approach this problem, any advice?
See above. Is there a reason why you can't use an amp meter?
Pete |
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| jambaugh |
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:13 pm |
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mcholette@sjm.com wrote:
Quote: Hi Everyone,
I have a pretty difficult problem that I would really appreciate some
help in solving.
I need to measure the current induced in a conductor by a strong
magnetic field. I need to do this without using any conductive
material in the magnetic field since this will induce current in the
measurement equipment and trash the results.
Here are ideas that I've been tossing around but do not have a real
grasp on.
Can I use some light emitting diode and pump the light out in a fiber
optic cable and sample it away from the experimental setup?
Can I submerge the conductor in a liquid, measure heat generated by the
current?
I'm at a loss on how to approach this problem, any advice?
Thanks!
Since the induced current should generate an additional magnetic field
you should be able
to calculate that current by comparing the magnetic field nearby when
the conductor is present with the current when the conductor is absent.
It may take a bit of calculation but you can also calibrate by
measuring the magnetic field when you apply various currents directly
through the conductor.
Regards,
James |
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| MC |
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:20 pm |
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OK, I guess I need to clarify my problem.
And by the way, this is not a class assignment as some of you have
implied. This is for a very serious application. But it so happens
that I am not an electrical engineer, and so i may have phrased my
question in a manner that was peculiar to those skilled in the art.
I have a conductive, metallic device (see geometry below) that is
submerged in a liquid solution. This entire setup is subjected to a
high intensity
varying magnetic field (dB/dt).
What I need to measure is the intensity of currents induced into this
conductive device. For example, imagine my device looks like this:
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***********************************************************B
A *******
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I want to measure if any currents are flowing from A-C, A-B and B-C.
And I also need to estimate the intensity of those currents. I need
to measure currents as low as 1 milliAmp.
My problem. If I hook this up to standard measuring instruments, the
strong magnetic field will/may induce currents in the actual measuring
apparatus and thus my reading would be completely wrong. I'm at a
loss as to how I can achieve this measurement. Fiber optics method?
anything?
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| Don Kelly |
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:45 pm |
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"MC" <mcholette@sjm.com> wrote in message
news:1171646416.060674.195770@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote: OK, I guess I need to clarify my problem.
And by the way, this is not a class assignment as some of you have
implied. This is for a very serious application. But it so happens
that I am not an electrical engineer, and so i may have phrased my
question in a manner that was peculiar to those skilled in the art.
I have a conductive, metallic device (see geometry below) that is
submerged in a liquid solution. This entire setup is subjected to a
high intensity
varying magnetic field (dB/dt).
What I need to measure is the intensity of currents induced into this
conductive device. For example, imagine my device looks like this:
**********
***********************************************************B
A *******
***********************************************************C
**********
I want to measure if any currents are flowing from A-C, A-B and B-C.
And I also need to estimate the intensity of those currents. I need
to measure currents as low as 1 milliAmp.
My problem. If I hook this up to standard measuring instruments, the
strong magnetic field will/may induce currents in the actual measuring
apparatus and thus my reading would be completely wrong. I'm at a
loss as to how I can achieve this measurement. Fiber optics method?
anything?
Thanks everyone,
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You won't induce currents but will induce voltages. Currents may result
depending on whatever conductive or possible capacitive paths exist (what
frequency?).
You give no indications of the actual geometry of the different parts or of
any electrical paths between them. This is important- i.e are they flat
plates or concentric cylinders? Is the fluid conductive? Spacing between
elements? If the currents are through the liquid, then it would be very
difficult to actually measure them even without considering the field
problems
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Don Kelly dhky@shawcross.ca
remove the X to answer
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