P.S. If you are tired of your glasses and contacts, give
Ortho-k a try, the feeling of not needing anything during

Dear Second-opinion friends,

Yves (name changed) contacted me about the plus.

He was about -2 diopters and 20/140. After several months
of using the plus he saw no progress and he suggested Ortho-K.

So he did Ortho-K and is planning to combine BOTH Ortho-K AND
the use of a +3 diopter lens for all computer and reading work.

As always, keep an open mind about scientific prevention
of a negative refractive STATE for the fundamental eye.
(Ref: the Wildsoet blue-tint dynamic eye concept.)

Here is his commentary for your interest.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Dear Yves,

Subject: Question About Ortho-K and Plus Prevention

I think your reports are great.

The effect of strong Ortho-K is to make your refractive STATE
POSITIVE.

Or, you could read the Snellen through a plus 1 diopter lens.

I personally think is will take some time to "anchor" your
20/20 vision with heavy use of the plus 3 diopter lens.

So 20/20 is indeed wonderful. But be patient. I think it is
going to take about 3 months before you "hold" 20/20 with no
Ortho-K. (As an engineer and pilot I am always "cautious" -- as
you understand.)

But you are the "leader" so just do what you think is
necessary, and report to your fellow pilots on your efforts.

We are all (including me) learning from YOU.

More commentary:

====================

Yves wrote:Yves> Today when driving back home from work it was unbelievable.
I have never been able to see so good at night before,
everything was as sharp as during the day if not sharper. I
came home and looked at my snellen and i could see the 20/15
line with both eyes. In the morning it was 20/20. All day
at work I wore the +3 lens in front of the computer...

Otis> You are doing it RIGHT!!

Yves> The interesting thing i noticed with the plus 3 is that if i
look at the screen and then take off the glasses and try to
focus my eyes on the monitor, i really feel how hard my eyes
are trying to see the screen in front of me. This really
must stress the eye muscles a lot.

Otis> I agree with you. We should be TAUGHT to use the plus as
soon as our refractive STATE moves from a positive value
(20/20) to slightly minus. This is my major objection to
Dr. Catman Grants incredible arrogance and associated
ignorance. But that is the majority-opinion for you.

Yves> I think i realize now why my vision has gotten so bad with
prolonged computer use. I can't believe OD's prescribe
minus glasses and let people wear them in front of the
computer... that's just plain horrible.

Otis> I always appreciate HONESTY. I TRUSTED a man like Catman
Grant. I AM RESPONSIBLE for my bad habits -- but he as a
PROFESSIONAL responsibility to DESCRIBE the preventive
second-opinion. And then send us to "myopiafree" to do our
own research on the issues. I WOULD GLADLY PAY HIM FOR HIS
PROFESSIONAL TIME!!!

Yves> My plan is to wear the ortho-k for about one or two more
weeks now, then i'll try to skip a day and see if I can keep
my eyes sharp.

Otis> Excellent idea. But be prepared for a "slip-back" towards
20/50. This will take about three months. So "steel"
yourself to that expectation.

Yves> Will keep you posted.

P.S. If you are tired of your glasses and contacts, give Ortho-k a try, the feeling of not needing anything during
the day and just seeing through your eyes is amazing, I
can't believe how much i have been missing. The routine is
simple: brush your teeth, put ortho-k lenses in, sleep,
wake up, get lenses out, brush teeth, go...

Yves

Thanks very much for your ongoing participation via single-person
dialogues and unsubstantiated and unverifiable third-hand anecdotes.

Dear Neil D. Brooks,

The truth is that ONLY Yves will
know the ture resuls of his efforts
with BOTH Ortho-K AND a plus 3 diopter
lens.

Ortho-K has been used for the
last 30 years for pilots because
it has that impressive result
described by Yeves.

But the "spring-back" of the
cornea means that if he
quits with Ortho-K, his
distant vision will return
to 20/140 and -2 diopters.

So the real issue FOR HIM is
his ability to transistion from
the "spring-back" mode
to the concept expressed
by C. Wildsoet as the blue-tint
dynamic behavior of the natural eye.

The amount of time it takes for
this long-term change in refactive
STATE is about 4 to 6 months.

The majority-opinion OD say
that this type of vision clearing
is IMPOSSIBLE. Perhaps.

But the ONLY person who can
jude the result will be Yves.

And we will not know that until
he "sticks" with this effort
for the next 4 to 6 months.

Not an effort for the faint of heart.

But if he is successful, only HE
will care. Because no one else
does.

Otis

On Jan 25, 3:03 pm, "Neil Brooks" <neil0...@yahoo.com> wrote:



Thanks very much for your ongoing participation via single-person
dialogues and unsubstantiated and unverifiable third-hand anecdotes.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

And also, Neil D. Brooks, the concept
is based on the dynamic-eye animation
provided byt Dr. C. Wildsoet as shown
below.

http://vision.berkeley.edu/wildsoet/myopiaprimer.html

If that concept is correct, then Yves will
be able to trade a change in corenal
radius, for a change in refractive power
(or length) induced by systematic
use of a plus for all close work.

But again, only Yves will be the
judge of this scientific model and
natural eye's behavior.

Otis

On Jan 25, 11:15 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:



Dear Neil D. Brooks,

The truth is that ONLY Yves will
know the ture resuls of his efforts
with BOTH Ortho-K AND a plus 3 diopter
lens.

Ortho-K has been used for the
last 30 years for pilots because
it has that impressive result
described by Yeves.

But the "spring-back" of the
cornea means that if he
quits with Ortho-K, his
distant vision will return
to 20/140 and -2 diopters.

So the real issue FOR HIM is
his ability to transistion from
the "spring-back" mode
to the concept expressed
by C. Wildsoet as the blue-tint
dynamic behavior of the natural eye.

The amount of time it takes for
this long-term change in refactive
STATE is about 4 to 6 months.

The majority-opinion OD say
that this type of vision clearing
is IMPOSSIBLE. Perhaps.

But the ONLY person who can
jude the result will be Yves.

And we will not know that until
he "sticks" with this effort
for the next 4 to 6 months.

Not an effort for the faint of heart.

But if he is successful, only HE
will care. Because no one else
does.

Otis

On Jan 25, 3:03 pm, "Neil Brooks" <neil0...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks very much for your ongoing participation via single-person
dialogues and unsubstantiated and unverifiable third-hand anecdotes.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Dear Second-opinion friends,

Yves (name changed) contacted me about the plus.

He was about -2 diopters and 20/140. After several months
of using the plus he saw no progress and he suggested Ortho-K.

So he did Ortho-K and is planning to combine BOTH Ortho-K AND
the use of a +3 diopter lens for all computer and reading work.

As always, keep an open mind about scientific prevention
of a negative refractive STATE for the fundamental eye.
(Ref: the Wildsoet blue-tint dynamic eye concept.)

Here is his commentary for your interest.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Dear Yves,

Subject: Question About Ortho-K and Plus Prevention

I think your reports are great.

The effect of strong Ortho-K is to make your refractive STATE
POSITIVE.

Or, you could read the Snellen through a plus 1 diopter lens.

I personally think is will take some time to "anchor" your
20/20 vision with heavy use of the plus 3 diopter lens.

So 20/20 is indeed wonderful. But be patient. I think it is
going to take about 3 months before you "hold" 20/20 with no
Ortho-K. (As an engineer and pilot I am always "cautious" -- as
you understand.)

But you are the "leader" so just do what you think is
necessary, and report to your fellow pilots on your efforts.

We are all (including me) learning from YOU.

More commentary:

====================

Yves wrote:Yves> Today when driving back home from work it was unbelievable.
I have never been able to see so good at night before,
everything was as sharp as during the day if not sharper. I
came home and looked at my snellen and i could see the 20/15
line with both eyes. In the morning it was 20/20. All day
at work I wore the +3 lens in front of the computer...

Otis> You are doing it RIGHT!!

Yves> The interesting thing i noticed with the plus 3 is that if i
look at the screen and then take off the glasses and try to
focus my eyes on the monitor, i really feel how hard my eyes
are trying to see the screen in front of me. This really
must stress the eye muscles a lot.

Otis> I agree with you. We should be TAUGHT to use the plus as
soon as our refractive STATE moves from a positive value
(20/20) to slightly minus. This is my major objection to
Dr. Catman Grants incredible arrogance and associated
ignorance. But that is the majority-opinion for you.

Yves> I think i realize now why my vision has gotten so bad with
prolonged computer use. I can't believe OD's prescribe
minus glasses and let people wear them in front of the
computer... that's just plain horrible.

Otis> I always appreciate HONESTY. I TRUSTED a man like Catman
Grant. I AM RESPONSIBLE for my bad habits -- but he as a
PROFESSIONAL responsibility to DESCRIBE the preventive
second-opinion. And then send us to "myopiafree" to do our
own research on the issues. I WOULD GLADLY PAY HIM FOR HIS
PROFESSIONAL TIME!!!

Yves> My plan is to wear the ortho-k for about one or two more
weeks now, then i'll try to skip a day and see if I can keep
my eyes sharp.

Otis> Excellent idea. But be prepared for a "slip-back" towards
20/50. This will take about three months. So "steel"
yourself to that expectation.

Yves> Will keep you posted.

P.S. If you are tired of your glasses and contacts, give Ortho-k a try, the feeling of not needing anything during
the day and just seeing through your eyes is amazing, I
can't believe how much i have been missing. The routine is
simple: brush your teeth, put ortho-k lenses in, sleep,
wake up, get lenses out, brush teeth, go...

Yves

As always, keep an open mind about scientific prevention
of a negative refractive STATE for the fundamental eye.
(Ref: the Wildsoet blue-tint dynamic eye concept.)

thats great!. now you suggest orthoK, which physically pushes on the
cornea and manipulates it's curvature for a brief time but goes away
when you stop using it. and you also continue to recommend +3.00
readers despite the fact that they have been repeatedly shown to be
totally ineffective.

From the best information we have, this
will probably take from 5 to 8 months.

Dear Neil Dense Brooks,

Since you do not seem to understand
the concept of the dynamic eye, let me
reduce it to this analogy.

Let us say that you spend $1,600 for
major dental work.

Let us further sat that the Dentist suggets
brushing your teeth on a regular
basis so you do not incur a
bill for $1,600 on a regular basis.

Now you go home AND REFUSE TO
BRUST YOU TEETH.

It that smart?

For all practical purposes what Yves is
doing is protecting his $1,600 investment
so that he can PERSONALLY VERIFY
that he keeps his refractive state POSITIVE,
and his Snellen at 20/20.

And consistent use of a +3 diopter
simply protects his $1,600 investment.

Yves is considerably smarter than
you Neil on this issue.

And ONLY Yves "wins".

Otis

On Jan 25, 11:21 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:



And also, Neil D. Brooks, the concept
is based on the dynamic-eye animation
provided byt Dr. C. Wildsoet as shown
below.

http://vision.berkeley.edu/wildsoet/myopiaprimer.html

If that concept is correct, then Yves will
be able to trade a change in corenal
radius, for a change in refractive power
(or length) induced by systematic
use of a plus for all close work.

But again, only Yves will be the
judge of this scientific model and
natural eye's behavior.

Otis

On Jan 25, 11:15 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:

Dear Neil D. Brooks,

The truth is that ONLY Yves will
know the ture resuls of his efforts
with BOTH Ortho-K AND a plus 3 diopter
lens.

Ortho-K has been used for the
last 30 years for pilots because
it has that impressive result
described by Yeves.

But the "spring-back" of the
cornea means that if he
quits with Ortho-K, his
distant vision will return
to 20/140 and -2 diopters.

So the real issue FOR HIM is
his ability to transistion from
the "spring-back" mode
to the concept expressed
by C. Wildsoet as the blue-tint
dynamic behavior of the natural eye.

The amount of time it takes for
this long-term change in refactive
STATE is about 4 to 6 months.

The majority-opinion OD say
that this type of vision clearing
is IMPOSSIBLE. Perhaps.

But the ONLY person who can
jude the result will be Yves.

And we will not know that until
he "sticks" with this effort
for the next 4 to 6 months.

Not an effort for the faint of heart.

But if he is successful, only HE
will care. Because no one else
does.

Otis

On Jan 25, 3:03 pm, "Neil Brooks" <neil0...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks very much for your ongoing participation via single-person
dialogues and unsubstantiated and unverifiable third-hand anecdotes.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Otis> I suspect that even with aggressive use of the +3 dioper
lens, your Snellen will start "down" in about 3 to 5 days.
The issue is to see how long it takes until your Snellen
comes down to 20/40 to 20/50. I would be VERY interested in
how long that takes! So skip another night or so.

We also know that when you place a minus 3 diopter lens
on the eye, its refractive STATE will "follow" that minus
lens as a natural process.

For an animation of this see Wildsoet blue-tint eye
changing its refractive STATE from the applied minus.

From the best information we have, this
will probably take from 5 to 8 months.

It is also important to understand that in school our eyes go
DOWN at a rate of -1/2 dioper per year.

You will have an impossible job convincing anyone of your
success -- including your OD!

otisbrown@pa.net> wrote


We also know that when you place a minus 3 diopter lens
on the eye, its refractive STATE will "follow" that minus
lens as a natural process.


False and misleading. The majority of -3 myopes are NOT getting worse,
despite wearing glasses full-time.