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Kerryn via MedKB.com
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:01 am
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What do you do when you get a patient whose in denial about needing glasses?
My friend obviously can barely see past her nose but won't wear them, it just
seems so stupid and I don't know how to help.

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serebel
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:37 am
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Kerryn via MedKB.com wrote:
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What do you do when you get a patient whose in denial about needing glasses?
My friend obviously can barely see past her nose but won't wear them, it just
seems so stupid and I don't know how to help.

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What I would do is enjoy the "Mr. Magoo" live show. Bring a camera
when around her.
She'll wise up and wear her glasses after she cracks up her car.
Dr Judy
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:47 pm
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Kerryn via MedKB.com wrote:
Quote:
What do you do when you get a patient whose in denial about needing glasses?
My friend obviously can barely see past her nose but won't wear them, it just
seems so stupid and I don't know how to help.

We simply remind ourselves: "The patient has the disease". In other
words, if the patient is not motivated to comply with/use a therapy,
non compliance is the patient's problem. If he patient does not meet
the legal driving requirements, I report that to the MOT and inform the
patient that she must legally use them driving.

You can't help; if poor vision does't bother your friend it shouldn't
bother you and nothing you can do will make her wear them. Don't get
in a car with her if she drives without them.

Dr Judy
Dan Abel
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:13 pm
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In article <6b8523b4725a9@uwe>, "Kerryn via MedKB.com" <u12444@uwe>
wrote:

Quote:
What do you do when you get a patient whose in denial about needing glasses?
My friend obviously can barely see past her nose but won't wear them, it just
seems so stupid and I don't know how to help.

The same thing you do with people who smoke or use drugs. Be supportive
but realize that you can't change them.

Ask your friend if they can see a certain. When they say they can't,
explain that you can, and glasses might help.

Suggest contacts. Suggest refractive surgery.
Dan Abel
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:25 pm
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In article <1167500863.979452.135800@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>,
"Dr Judy" <mpace99@rogers.com> wrote:


Quote:
We simply remind ourselves: "The patient has the disease". In other
words, if the patient is not motivated to comply with/use a therapy,
non compliance is the patient's problem. If he patient does not meet
the legal driving requirements, I report that to the MOT and inform the
patient that she must legally use them driving.

You can't help; if poor vision does't bother your friend it shouldn't
bother you and nothing you can do will make her wear them. Don't get
in a car with her if she drives without them.

Sometimes things are hard. We gave my father a choice of giving up his
car or else the doctor would have his license revoked. We sold his
house out from under him based on medical advice. I talked to his
doctor recently, and he said that if my father got ill then there was an
agreement to just let him die.
Guest
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:36 pm
Dr Judy wrote:
Quote:
Kerryn via MedKB.com wrote:
What do you do when you get a patient whose in denial about needing glasses?
My friend obviously can barely see past her nose but won't wear them, it just
seems so stupid and I don't know how to help.

We simply remind ourselves: "The patient has the disease". In other
words, if the patient is not motivated to comply with/use a therapy,
non compliance is the patient's problem. If he patient does not meet
the legal driving requirements, I report that to the MOT and inform the
patient that she must legally use them driving.


I don't consider a refractive error a "disease". It is not a
health/sight threatening
situation to the person (assuming the person is an adult and no danger
of
developing amblyopia).The person is only a
danger when driving (if not meeting the dmv requirements) and should
realize that
she/he places own self and others in harms way while driving
uncorrected.

frank
William Stacy
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:33 pm
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drfrank21@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:
I don't consider a refractive error a "disease". It is not a
health/sight threatening
situation to the person (assuming the person is an adult and no danger
of
developing amblyopia).The person is only a
danger when driving (if not meeting the dmv requirements) and should
realize that
she/he places own self and others in harms way while driving
uncorrected.


Well, refractive errors have disease codes (ICD), and would certainly

seem to qualify as something that can cause discomfort and/or disability.

To say that driving is the "only" danger for uncorrected ametropes is
definitely wrong. Consder flying, crane operation, baseball, machine
shop work, carpentry, I could go on but you get the idea...

w.stacy, o.d.
Guest
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:33 pm
William Stacy wrote:

Quote:


Well, refractive errors have disease codes (ICD), and would certainly
seem to qualify as something that can cause discomfort and/or disability.

I guess I learn something new every day. Never considered refractive
error
as a pathology/disease as opposed to a condition.

Now I have to tell little "Billy's" mom that her son has a disease.
Doesn't
matter that he only has a quarter cyIinder; poor kid is still suffering
with a
disease. Is that how you explain it to your patients?
How do you keep them from having their jaws drop to the floor?
Quote:

To say that driving is the "only" danger for uncorrected ametropes is
definitely wrong. Consder flying, crane operation, baseball, machine
shop work, carpentry, I could go on but you get the idea...


You forgot shooting a gun and putting on make-up. ;)

frank
William Stacy
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:59 pm
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drfrank21@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

Now I have to tell little "Billy's" mom that her son has a disease.
Doesn't
matter that he only has a quarter cyIinder; poor kid is still suffering
with a
disease. Is that how you explain it to your patients?
How do you keep them from having their jaws drop to the floor?



Well, I would think that a .25 cyl doesn't qualify as a significant

refractive error any more than a single sneeze qualifies as an upper
respiratory infection. But a -2.00 cyl certainly is an ICD 367.21 and
can cause a lot of suffering for the patient...
Neil Brooks
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:10 am
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William Stacy wrote:

Quote:
Well, I would think that a .25 cyl doesn't qualify as a significant
refractive error any more than a single sneeze qualifies as an upper
respiratory infection. But a -2.00 cyl certainly is an ICD 367.21 and
can cause a lot of suffering for the patient...

If nothing else, 2d of myopia can also lead to IOS (Incipient Otis
Syndrome)--not only dangerous but uncomfortable, degenerative,
irritating, and frightfully annoying.
Kerryn via MedKB.com
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:41 pm
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Of course I want to help but I also think she's being a bit stupid. A couple
of years ago she said her glasses were -2.50 and she just wears them for
driving. I've tried the subtle approach but she seems to have it in her head
that glasses should be worn as little as possible, even if they'd help. The
reason I asked what the pros do is because I wondered if you has some
suggestions for people when you prescribe on how much/when to wear them. Is
there anyone here who's the same prescription?

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Mike Tyner
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:57 pm
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"Kerryn via MedKB.com" <u12444@uwe> wrote

Quote:
driving. I've tried the subtle approach but she seems to have it in her
head
that glasses should be worn as little as possible, even if they'd help.

Sounds like she's fallen victim to the myth that wearing glasses causes
further myopia.

Quote:
reason I asked what the pros do is because I wondered if you has some
suggestions for people when you prescribe on how much/when to wear them.
Is
there anyone here who's the same prescription?

-2.50 is pretty common. As a professional, I seldom require anyone to
wear -2.50 full time. If they don't create a hazard by driving without
correction, there's little reason to insist on full-time wear.

-MT, OD
Jon via MedKB.com
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:56 pm
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Quote:
-2.50 is pretty common. As a professional, I seldom require anyone to
wear -2.50 full time. If they don't create a hazard by driving without
correction, there's little reason to insist on full-time wear.

What do you consider to be **full time**
What reasons would make you insist on it for some who is -2.5

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Dr Judy
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:18 pm
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Jon via MedKB.com wrote:

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What do you consider to be **full time**
What reasons would make you insist on it for some who is -2.5

A doctor will never insist that a patient comply with a recommendation,
whether wearing glasses, using artificial tears for dry eye, stopping
smoking or taking insulin for diabetes. All I can do is inform them of
the advantages of the recommendation and the consequences of not
following it. Occasionally a doctor may refuse to continue treating a
non compliant patient when the non compliance makes further treatment
futile.

Whether for your friend at -2.50 or someone else at -10.00, all I can
do is remind them that they are not legal to drive without glasses and
that they will see things like TV, movies, people's faces better with
glasses. If she worked at an occupation that has a vision requirement,
I can inform her that her employer will require that she wear glasses
on the job. I usually also point out that wearing or not wearing
glasses will not cause her vision to get better or worse.

Beyond the legal requirements, it is her choice whether to use the
glasses or not.

Dr Judy
Dan Abel
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:54 pm
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In article <1167589084.603484.106840@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
"Dr Judy" <mpace99@rogers.com> wrote:

Quote:
Jon via MedKB.com wrote:


What do you consider to be **full time**
What reasons would make you insist on it for some who is -2.5

A doctor will never insist that a patient comply with a recommendation,
whether wearing glasses, using artificial tears for dry eye, stopping
smoking or taking insulin for diabetes. All I can do is inform them of
the advantages of the recommendation and the consequences of not
following it. Occasionally a doctor may refuse to continue treating a
non compliant patient when the non compliance makes further treatment
futile.


Then again, there are the lawsuits. My OD told a patient to take a hike
after he said that he wore a daily disposable for a year. The OD can
write whatever he wants in the chart, but who is the jury going to
believe when infection sets in?

My son broke his finger. His doctor said that he wouldn't heal until he
stopped smoking. He stopped. I was pretty happy.
 
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