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D. C. Sessions
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:38 pm
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In message <Iradncfp3PVDkjjYnZ2dnUVZ8sSrnZ2d@bt.com>, JOHN wrote:

Quote:
Revici, gerson, Ivy, Krebs, Burton, Issels, Binzel, the 38 in the Burton
Goldberg cancer books and the plenty listed
http://www.whale.to/cancer/doctors.html

But you keep telling us that they're being suppressed.
I'm having a bit of trouble understanding how they can
be making a living from their "suppressed" work.

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JOHN
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:53 pm
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"D. C. Sessions" <dcs@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
In message <Iradncfp3PVDkjjYnZ2dnUVZ8sSrnZ2d@bt.com>, JOHN wrote:

Revici, gerson, Ivy, Krebs, Burton, Issels, Binzel, the 38 in the Burton
Goldberg cancer books and the plenty listed
http://www.whale.to/cancer/doctors.html

But you keep telling us that they're being suppressed.
I'm having a bit of trouble understanding how they can
be making a living from their "suppressed" work.


haven't you got a home to go to?
D. C. Sessions
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:03 pm
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In message <dqqdnd_nLd99ZTnYRVnyiQA@bt.com>, JOHN wrote:
Quote:
"pmoran" <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote in message
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Respond cogently to the arguments against your theories (such as why is
it is only diseases that are vaccinated against that have disappeared
from Western countries,

Nothing to do with vaccination as the stats show. My bet is on the decline
in poverty.

Please post those stats (not, please note, someone's opinion about
the stats -- post the STATS, thank you.)

The poverty in Latin America today is certainly far, far greater
than in the USA fifty years ago and yet the polio and measles
rates (to name two) in Latin America are now zero. Fifty years
ago in the USA they certainly were not.

You claim that vaccination had nothing to do with the drops
in: measles, mumps, rubella, polio, pertussis, diphtheria, and
haemophilus influenzae type B. If so, you should have no
trouble at all finding a country SOMEWHERE where the introduction
of mass vaccination wasn't followed by an abrupt drop in the
corresponding disease.

That's seven diseases, scores of countries. All you need to do
is post the numbers for the disease ten years before and after
mass vaccination. If, as you say, there's no connection then
MOST of the time there should be no connection at all; at the
very least finding an exception should be trivially easy.

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vernon
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:16 pm
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"JOHN" <john@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/NWNM2006/CancerItsTheRadiation.htm

Cancer: It's the Radiation!
by Jock Doubleday

Ever wonder why cancer is so prevalent in our society?

Increased ingestion of sugar.

Some radiation "can" increase risks in some people but it takes sugar, every
time.

Quote:

So did Dr. Irwin Bross, director of biostatistics at Roswell Park Memorial
Institute in Buffalo, New York.

In the 1970s, Dr. Bross headed a project that studied the alarming
increase in rates of leukemia. His sample was 16 million people from New
York, Maryland, and Minnesota.

After checking factors as diverse as health history, occupational history,
residential history, family background, cause of death for parents and
grandparents, exposure to farm animals, pet ownership, whether or not the
pets had ever been sick, Dr. Bross came to the conclusion that the main
cause of the rising rates of leukemia was medical radiation in the form of
diagnostic medical X-rays (Leslie Freeman, ed., Nuclear Witnesses:
Insiders Speak Out, New York: Norton, 1982, p. 27).

Dr. John Gofman, Professor Emeritus of Molecular and Cell Biology at the
University of California at Berkeley, was wondering the same thing in the
early 1990s.

His research led him to write a 400-page book in which he estimates that
"three-quarters of the current annual incidence of breast cancer in the
United States is being caused by earlier ionizing radiation, primarily
from medical sources."

Astonishingly, this isn't even news. "[M]edical science," Gofman
continues, "has known for 20 years that ionizing radiation is a prominent
and proven cause of breast-cancer" (John Gofman, Preventing Breast Cancer,
San Francisco: Committee for Nuclear Responsibility, 1995, p. 303).

Let's jump back to 1913. Memorial Sloan-Kettering, the world's largest
private cancer treatment and research center, is about to commit itself to
the long-term use of radiation in cancer treatment.

Why?

A very wealthy businessman named James Douglas wanted to make some fairly
hefty donations to cancer research.

According to Bob Considine, former Memorial Sloan-Kettering official
historian, however, "Douglas's gifts came with strings attached."

You see, Douglas owned a large number of radium mines and stood to make an
enormous profit if the medical use of radiation caught on. Douglas made it
a basic condition of his contributions that radiation be used routinely in
all of the center's cancer treatments (John Robbins, Reclaiming Our
Health, Tiburon, CA: HJ Kramer, 1996,p. 231).
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Just in case you think you have a friend to go to with this information in
the National Cancer Institute or the American Cancer society, or even the
AMA, you'd better think again.
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It was the National Cancer Institute that cut off Dr. Bross's funding when
his Tri-State Leukemia Survey was published.
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And all three of these agencies have blacklisted all cancer treatments not
in line with radiation and chemotherapy models.
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What are these alternative treatments?
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1) Essiac (burdock root, sheep sorrel, turkey rhubarb root, and slippery
elm bark) [see also Flor-Essence, which is based on this formula, at
http://www.florahealth.com/flora/home/usa/products/R68090.asp];
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2) Hoxsey formula (herbal, similar to Essiac);
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3) megadoses of intravenous vitamin C (proven effective for most types of
cancer by Nobel Peace Prize winner Linus Pauling);
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4) Gerson diet (raw vegetarian);
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5) Michio Kushi diet (macrobiotic);
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6) Burzynski therapy (antineoplastons, substances that occur naturally in
the human body).
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These natural therapies, blacklisted by all the relevant major medical
associations because of their non-patentability, have track records far
superior to those of traditional therapies in every category of
comparison--even price. The price tag today for standard cancer therapy is
approximately $100,000.00. Essiac costs four cents a day.
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Ionizing radiation is not, of course, the only determinant of cancer in
our society.
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Other determinants include diets high in meat, eggs, dairy products,
refined sugar, white flour, processed foods; chlorine (found in virtually
all government-approved drinking water); pesticides; bottle-feeding;
having been born to a woman who bottle-fed; supplemental estrogen; and the
birth control pill. (Regarding this last, the July 30, 1992 New England
Journal of Medicine found that the long-term use of oral contraceptives
"appears to increase the risk of breast cancer by about 50 percent").
Radiation is unique, however, in that it is the only one of these
substances that we use to diagnose and "prevent" cancer.
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Let's jump ahead to May 3, 1998. A Reuters news service article proclaims:
Government scientists excited about cancer drugs." Dr. Richard Klausner,
director of the National Cancer Institute: "I am putting nothing on higher
priority than getting [these drugs] into clinical trials. [These drugs
are] the single most exciting thing on the horizon" for cancer treatment.
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Dr. Judah Folkman, who discovered the drugs, has a different take: "If you
have cancer and you are a mouse, we can take care of you." Although the
drugs have been tested only on mice, somehow one of the drugs, Xeloda, has
already won "accelerated approval" from the FDA, requiring the company to
confirm the drug's benefit only after it hits the market. Reassuring,
isn't it?
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To find out about proven alternative, and possibly illegal, cancer
therapies, contact Anne Beattie at 800-980-1234 (814-238-3367 when calling
from outside the USA) or email her at anne@cancerdecisions.com
http://www.ralphmoss.com/events2.html, read Sheila Snow's book, The
Essence of Essiac; or visit the web site of Natural Woman, Natural Man,
Inc.
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In health,
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Jock Doubleday
Director
Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc.
http://www.GentleBirth.org/nwnm.org
http://www.SpontaneousCreation.org
director@spontaneouscreation.org
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vernon
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:19 pm
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"JOHN" <john@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

"pmoran" <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote in message
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There are no contradictory pharmacokinetic studies in this. It
merely rehashes Pauling's discredited views as to normal requirements
of vitamin C and tries to debunk the numerous studies showing no
consistent effect of Vitamin C on the common cold..

How can vitamin C do anything for an elimination process? Try and study
Natural Hygiene and get clued up to the other side--a man who knows only
his own argument knows nothing.

Start with these 8 great healers and you may know a bit more about health,
instaed of disease http://www.whale.to/a/nat4.html




According to Moran's logic, we should only drink 12 ounces of water a day.
pmoran
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:40 pm
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JOHN wrote:
Quote:
"pmoran" <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote in message
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There are no contradictory pharmacokinetic studies in this. It
merely rehashes Pauling's discredited views as to normal requirements
of vitamin C and tries to debunk the numerous studies showing no
consistent effect of Vitamin C on the common cold..

How can vitamin C do anything for an elimination process?

Meaning ---?

Quote:
Try and study
Natural Hygiene and get clued up to the other side--a man who knows only his
own argument knows nothing.

Start with these 8 great healers and you may know a bit more about health,
instaed of disease http://www.whale.to/a/nat4.html


Is your method to constantly introduce new unsubstantiated opinion so
as to avoid answering argument against the old unsubstantiated
opinions?

PM
D. C. Sessions
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:43 pm
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In message <45a581d8$0$10549$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews.com>, vernon wrote:
Quote:
"JOHN" <john@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/NWNM2006/CancerItsTheRadiation.htm

Cancer: It's the Radiation!
by Jock Doubleday

Ever wonder why cancer is so prevalent in our society?

Increased ingestion of sugar.

Some radiation "can" increase risks in some people but it takes sugar, every
time.

You're absolutely right. Once systemic sugar is eliminated,
cancer ceases to be a problem.

Furthermore, nobody without sugar in their system has *ever*
developed cancer.

The only substance which is more necessary than sugar to cancer
is DHMO.

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D. C. Sessions
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:07 pm
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In message <2MednW0V3e6ijTjYnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com>, JOHN wrote:

Quote:
Simple question, lets see how you dodge this one.

What caused the 99.4% decline in measles deaths before vaccination, from
1901/2 to 1968?

It's not in evidence that a single cause is responsible, so
let's take it in stages:

~ 1930: Oxygen tent for measles pneumonia.
~ 1940: Antibiotics for measles pneumonia.

Assuming for the sake of argument your "99.4%" those two would
have accounted for a drop in the course of 60 years (1901-1964)
of 4000 to 400 deaths per year. About a 10:1 reduction.

*Something* happened in the next four years to drop the death
rate from 400/year to 24/year -- more than a 16:1 reduction.

To put it in perspective, whatever happened between 1964 and
1968 had more effect in four years than all of the changes in
the preceeding 64 years.

Now, I've accounted for those 64 years. Care to explain the
following four?

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D. C. Sessions
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:13 pm
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In message <rqydnTjoQOpO6DjYnZ2dnUVZ8siknZ2d@bt.com>, JOHN wrote:
Quote:
"pmoran" <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote in message
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Kelley was a nut, as anyone reading his book should be able to work out
by themselves. You also cannot expect us to take this old material on
trust, especially as Gonzales was unable to reproduce the claimed cures
of pancretaic cancer using the same methods.

In any case, there is currently a major trial underway on Kelley's
methods with Gonzales' assistance, which should reveal the truth, and
kind of destroys your view that alternative methods are being
suppressed.

LOL. You may have a need to believe the Fairy tale, but some of us woke up
a long time ago. If Gonzale can't do what Kelley did then he is either 1.
Incompetent. 2. Been got at. And seeing as a trillion $$ industry rests on
him finding it doesn't work, what would a betting man say? People get
killed for £50 in Glasgow--your Fascist government just went and killed 1
million Iraqis for some oil and other goodies. Go figure.

I think we've about reached the bedrock of this position: no negative
result can be believed because the investigator was bought off.

Got it.

Quote:
http://www.whale.to/cancer/k/section_ii.htm
Movie actor Steve McQueen had completely cured his own CANCER using our
Metabolic Program and had made plans to expose and "blow the lid off the
cancer racket." Before he could accomplish this, he was murdered as only the
Establishment can do it with all the fanfare and news media to destroy my
program.

OK, that locks it down. Steve McQueen was offed to keep the secret.

Good night and good luck.

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JohnDoe
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:34 am
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JOHN wrote:

-snip-

Quote:
Moerman, who was accepted by the Dutch government
http://www.whale.to/cancer/moerman.html

Ah, I just happen to know this one. He was a cancer diet guy, somewhat
similar to Gerson. Moerman was never accepted by the Dutch government
John. Au contraire. What happened is that the government, under pressure
from the public, appointed no less than 3 committees to look into
Moerman's claims. Their conclusion? Moerman's diet does absolutely not
cure cancer. Caught in another lie John!

The research into Moerman's work also has one of my favorite cancer
quack anecdotes (you can find it in one of the official reports): one
patient who was being treated with Moerman's diet one day didn't show up
at the doctor's office anymore. The doctor concluded that he must have
been cured and reported the patient to the committee. Who then found out
that the patient didn't go to the doctor anymore because he had died
from his cancer.
pmoran
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:26 pm
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JOHN wrote:
Quote:
"pmoran" <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote in message
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Kelley was a nut, as anyone reading his book should be able to work out
by themselves. You also cannot expect us to take this old material on
trust, especially as Gonzales was unable to reproduce the claimed cures
of pancretaic cancer using the same methods.

In any case, there is currently a major trial underway on Kelley's
methods with Gonzales' assistance, which should reveal the truth, and
kind of destroys your view that alternative methods are being
suppressed.


LOL. You may have a need to believe the Fairy tale, but some of us woke up
a long time ago. If Gonzale can't do what Kelley did then he is either 1.
Incompetent. 2. Been got at. And seeing as a trillion $$ industry rests on
him finding it doesn't work, what would a betting man say? People get
killed for £50 in Glasgow--your Fascist government just went and killed 1
million Iraqis for some oil and other goodies. Go figure.

Leaving aside the many unsubstantiated fantasies you have to sustain
to keep your position tenable, even for yourself, what DID Kelley do?
He diagnosed cancer in himself and others using ridiculous criteria
that no one else has ever taken seriously. Just read his book How,
then can we be sure he was ever curing active cancer?

You quote below supposed details of the work Gonzales did with Kelley's
patients, showing the amazing and very reliable cure of pancreatic
cancer. I wrote to Gonzales directly and asked him if he stood by
these results, and whether the actual data was available anywhere.
He said the data is "from an unpublished monograph that is no longer
available." He would not commit himself to the truth of the claims.

We are expected to believe that data showing the cure of incurable
cancer has somehow been mislaid?

What more do we have to do to try and get at the real facts? Why is
the hard data alwys just out of reach? The same thing happened with
Abram Hoffer, when I wanted to see details of his patients.

There is a pattern of unconfirmability here that can only be reversed
by contemporary alternative practitioners producing all the cures they
are supposed to be producing. Your historical material and its
accompanying legendary material (like Steve Queen not dying of his
terminal cancer), is worthless, as I also showed when I went and
checked what Hardin Jones really said.

Peter Moran

www.cancerwatcher.com
Quote:

And Gonzale doesn't have a good CV, and is dead dodgy on past record, as
far as I can tell, what do you think?

"A Cornell medical student, Gonzalez, who had failed after the second year
in medical school, was wandering in and out of the unorthodox medical
community looking for help for his own mental instability and illness."



Quote:

http://www.whale.to/cancer/k/section_ii.htm
Movie actor Steve McQueen had completely cured his own CANCER using our
Metabolic Program and had made plans to expose and "blow the lid off the
cancer racket." Before he could accomplish this, he was murdered as only the
Establishment can do it with all the fanfare and news media to destroy my
program.
When this failed, the Establishment's next plan was to send a mole or
infiltrator into the Kelley organization so that as close a call as the
McQueen episode could never happen again.

A Cornell medical student, Gonzalez, who had failed after the second year in
medical school, was wandering in and out of the unorthodox medical community
looking for help for his own mental instability and illness. During this
fruitless search, Gonzalez stumbled onto the Kelley Program, which he
mentioned to his psychiatrist.

With the help of his psychoanalyst, Colter Rule, M.D. and wife Betty
Gessels, M.D., (high level Establishment members in NYC), Gonzalez, and a
major faction of the Establishment, forced Robert A. Good, Ph.D., M.D.,
President of Memorial Sloan- Kettering Cancer Center/Institute, to sponsor
Nicholas J. Gonzalez' review of Kelley's records and expose Kelley as a
Quack.

This project, being most important to the Establishment, led Cornell Medical
School to reinstate Gonzalez, as a 3rd year medical student under Good's
supervision for this project dealing with the Kelley Program.

The infighting of the Medical Establishment over this project forced the
most renowned medical researcher of all history to be fired and dismissed
from Sloan-Kettering and shipped out to Oklahoma City.

The Establishment gave the green light to Gonzalez to carefully investigate
the Kelley Program and get the information to expose me as a fraud. This
backfired on the Big Establishment as the second communication from Gonzalez
to Good after Gonzalez reviewed the first 139 of thousands of records in my
possession show.

Robert A. Good, M.D., Ph.D. 2 September
Medical Research Foundation
(At Oklahoma Allergy Clinic)
50 N.E. 13th Street
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

Dear Dr. Good,

I hadn't meant to write you so soon again, but I've just finished sifting
through the first 139 of Dr. Kelley's patient records and found the initial
results interesting enough to pass on my findings. While I intend to
concentrate on the cancers we discussed - pancreatic, colon, lung, perhaps
breast - I've included all the initial results just for interest's sake.

Again, as I wrote in my first letter to you, I do not yet have the actual
biopsy reports or other lab data documenting the diagnosis, but I have found
Dr. Kelley does keep information regarding how the tumors were diagnosed.

I found these results, particularly for pancreatic, quite intriguing. His
overall survival rate for all cancer in this first group is 93% - and I have
found, going through Dr. Kelley's records, virtually all of his patients
have advanced disease. Many have come to him because no further conventional
treatment could be offered.

Sincerely, Nick Gonzalez


Pancreatic Cancer Study

The most outstanding study in medical history is of Pancreatic Cancer. At
the request of Robert A. Good, Ph.D., M.D., former president of Memorial
Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center of New York City, Nick Gonzalez, a medical
student, reviewed thousands of Dr. Kelley's patient's records selecting 22
patients with Pancreatic Cancer. Although Dr. Kelley had many more patients
who were diagnosed with Pancreatic Cancer, only these 22 met the rigid
standards required in this study: i.e., Biopsy diagnosed at a major medical
institution.

Dr. Good requested this study, which is called a numerator/denominator. In
this study, a single form of cancer was chosen. Gonzalez chose pancreatic
cancer since the five-year survival rate in orthodox medicine is virtually
zero.

In this study, a total of 22 Kelley pancreatic cancer patients properly
diagnosed by the orthodox medical community were broken down into three
groups based on their level of following Kelley's protocol. The median
survival of the three groups is shown as:

Unit One: Ten patients never followed the protocol; average survival 67
days.

Unit Two: Seven patients followed the protocol partially; average survival
233 days.

Unit Three: The five patients who followed Dr. Kelley's protocol completely
achieved an average of nine years survival.

In fact, all five were still alive at the time the study was made except one
patient who had died (of Alzheimer's) after 11.5 years.
David Wright
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:26 pm
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In article <2MednW0V3e6ijTjYnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com>,
JOHN <john@btinternet.com> wrote:
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"pmoran" <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote in message
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material that reveals your ignorance of basic medical matters.
Respond cogently to the arguments against your theories (such as why is
it is only diseases that are vaccinated against that have disappeared
from Western countries, and why Scarlet fever is not an example of an
infection that has gone away spontaneously) and then we may see who
is deficient in the legs department.

Simple question, lets see how you dodge this one.

What caused the 99.4% decline in measles deaths before vaccination, from
1901/2 to 1968?

Improved nutrition and better palliative care.

Now, here's a nice simple question for simpleton John that he won't
want to answer: what caused the drop in measles cases in the USA from
about 400,000 per year to less than 400 per year from 1965 to 2005?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If George Bush were my dad, I'd be drunk in public so often that
James Baker would have me killed." -- Bill Maher on the Bush twins
D. C. Sessions
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:13 am
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In message <CdDph.33123$Gr2.2943@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>, David Wright wrote:

Quote:
Now, here's a nice simple question for simpleton John that he won't
want to answer:  what caused the drop in measles cases in the USA from
about 400,000 per year to less than 400 per year from 1965 to 2005?

He'll tell you that incidence doesn't matter, it's only the death
rate that counts.

When you point to the drop from 400 deaths/year to 24, he'll tell
you that the physicians disgnosed measles as something else.

When you start trying to pin down the "what else" he'll tell you
that it's all a Grand Conspiracy (the same one that had Steve
McQueen offed to keep the secret).

Along the way he'll change the subject and throw a lot of insults.

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JOHN
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:37 am
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Quote:
There is a pattern of unconfirmability here that can only be reversed
by contemporary alternative practitioners producing all the cures they
are supposed to be producing. Your historical material and its
accompanying legendary material (like Steve Queen not dying of his
terminal cancer), is worthless, as I also showed when I went and
checked what Hardin Jones really said.

Peter Moran

that is the allopath song "produce" the cures ---and show us our med is
worthless. Nice myth. Allopaths have gone out of there way to suppress
those docs as issels and otehrs have found out, so why would they go to you?

You would find his book strange, real healing like bowel cleansing is a
different reality to poisoning someone into "health"

they just get on and cure people while ignoring the siren song of allopaths
like you--200,000 you say now? How come they don't believe you any more?

Kelly is the main one for FACT, and Ruth Sackman has been advising people
for 30 years after her daughter died of leukemia after allopathy
http://www.whale.to/cancer/fact.html
JOHN
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:16 pm
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Why would a non-Allopath go to an Allopath like you with case histories to
prove his med worked?

Especially given
1.) Your obvious belief that all non-allopathic med is quackery, and all
non-Allopaths are quacks. And your association with Barrett who has spent
decades suppressing non-Allopathic med and criticism, see his site to show
that.
2.) Given the long history of Allopathic suppression, eg by AMA, of all
non-Allopathic med?
3.) Given that Gerson therapy and Kelly would put Allopathic medicine out of
business. I can do both at home.
4.) It is common knowledge that all surgeons here are Masons, so are you a
Mason?
5.) Were you a cancer surgeon?

Also, it is obvious Allopaths have set themselves up as the only experts on
cancer, so they can make out they are the ONLY authority on cancer, so
everything has to come through them.

Neat game if you can fool people, but seeing as you can't cure cancer, nor
any other disease except bacterial infections, why would anyone believe
that?
 
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