In message <1169262953.532136.213190@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
LunaTick <chuckadams05@aol.com> writes


If we were bombed into oblivion how on earth would the moronic british
nation survive?

You are like the little brother who wants to hang out with his big bro,
without the U.S. you
would implode military and financially. Just like your wife would be
sucking German dong right
now if we didn't cross the pond and defeat the Germans.

Well at least that's how your tosser film industry would have you
believe.

Fuck off Yank, you have no idea how much most of us Brits, along with
the rest of the world, revile (use a dictionary to find out what revile
means) you and your wanker president.

When that wanker Bush declares war on Iran, don't count on Brit support,
you'll be on your own.

A world without the yanks................hmmmmmmmmmmm heaven on earth.
--
Smooks

You mean we will not be able to count on those 5k British troops
guarding the beer and porn? What a joke, I would rather have the 500
Polish troops, they know more about combat than you fags.

Now go worry about saving your own ass with all the Muslim towel heads
that seem to flooding your little country. If you get in trouble you
know our number, it's the same number you used 50 years ago.

Now go worry about saving your own ass with all the Muslim towel heads
that seem to flooding your little country. If you get in trouble you
know our number, it's the same number you used 50 years ago.

What are you Marc, a expert on Chinese military capabilities?

How the fuk do you know what they can and cannot shoot down?

On 19 Jan 2007 09:13:35 -0800, "LunaTick" <chuckadams05@aol.com> wrote:

What are you Marc, a expert on Chinese military capabilities?

No, I'm not, Charles, and I don't know much about lyme disease either, but since
when does anybody need qualifications to comment on Usenet?

As died-in-the-wool faith-heads[1] are fond of saying -- amateurs built the Ark
and professionals built the Titanic.

How the fuk do you know what they can and cannot shoot down?

I read it in the bible, so it must be true. Oh, bless: America. :-)

The quoted article doesn't make it plain, but perhaps they're right and GPS
satellites are at risk:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,,1994634,00.html

"Despite picking off one of its lowest satellites in the test, China has
developed two longer-range missiles, known as the KT-2 and KT-2A, which carry
boosters and are believed to be capable of reaching more critical satellites in
higher orbits."

Hmmmm....

But I'm still not convinced that the USA is the only possible target for these
holy hand grenades[2]. From the first published report on the test:

http://www.aviationweek.com/avnow/news/channel_awst_story.jsp?id=news/CHI01177.xml

"Although more of a "policy weapon" at this time, the test shows that the
Chinese military can threaten the imaging reconnaissance satellites operated by
the U. S., Japan, Russia, Israel and Europe."

"The Taiwanese in the past have also leased capability on an Israeli
reconnaissance satellite."

More sabre-rattling over Iran's oil fields, I fear.

[1] Dawkins
[2] Python

- No one tracked the launch, or targeting.

- The DF-21 is a 25 year old suborbital intermediate ballistic missile
incapable of reaching the satellite.

- According to you cite the CIA/NSA/DIA started promoting this story -
yup the sam Iraq WMD folks.

- Even if true, China has not violated any international law. Matter of
fact we in the west, specifically US, claim "freedom of action" in
space.

Have to agree with you this smells like anti-China hysteria to cover up
the stench of our failed Iraq policy.

On 20 Jan 2007 01:10:10 -0800, "CL" <charles_liu@my-deja.com> wrote:

- No one tracked the launch, or targeting.

Oh? From Aviation Leak and Space Mythology:

"USAF radar reports on the Chinese FY-1C spacecraft have been posted once or
twice daily for years, but those reports jumped to about 4 times per day just
before the alleged test.

"The USAF radar reports then ceased Jan. 11, but then appeared for a day showing
"signs of orbital distress". The reports were then halted again. The Air Force
radars may well be busy cataloging many pieces of debris, sources said."

- The DF-21 is a 25 year old suborbital intermediate ballistic missile
incapable of reaching the satellite.

The KT-1, reportedly used for the test, was derived from the DF-21, and is
capable of placing a 100kg payload into LEO. Almost exactly a year ago, it was
predicted that they might be used as an anti-satellite weapon:

http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.61/pub_detail.asp

"It should be expected that the PLA will use its KT-1, plus appropriately
configured micro and or nanosatellites, to perform direct-assent anti-satellite
interception missions.

Being a mobile SLV, the KT-1 can be transported to
locations favorable to the interception of enemy satellites. It can even be used
to "park" small satellites in orbits near potential targets, which can then
begin interceptions, perhaps in coordination with other military operations."

- According to you cite the CIA/NSA/DIA started promoting this story -
yup the sam Iraq WMD folks.

The Chinese haven't exactly gone out of their way to deny it.

- Even if true, China has not violated any international law. Matter of
fact we in the west, specifically US, claim "freedom of action" in
space.

It might or might not be legal, but the shrapnelization of LEO space is pretty
irresponsible in any case.

Have to agree with you this smells like anti-China hysteria to cover up
the stench of our failed Iraq policy.

We'd better save Iran by destroying it, before the Chinese get their grubby
satellite-destroying paws on the oil....

LunaTick <chuckadams05@aol.com> wrote:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- China last week successfully used a missile to
destroy an orbiting satellite, U.S. government officials told CNN on
Thursday, in a test that could undermine relations with the West and
pose a threat to satellites important to the U.S. military.

What's the news? Satellites can't be defended
agaimst a determined attacker.
The only reason there no deployed anti-sat systems
is the the US and the USSR have (wisely) chosen not to,
long ago.

[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:29:06 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:

LunaTick <chuckadams05@aol.com> wrote:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- China last week successfully used a missile to
destroy an orbiting satellite, U.S. government officials told CNN on
Thursday, in a test that could undermine relations with the West and
pose a threat to satellites important to the U.S. military.

What's the news? Satellites can't be defended
agaimst a determined attacker.
The only reason there no deployed anti-sat systems
is the the US and the USSR have (wisely) chosen not to,
long ago.


I suspect the same thing that has blocked use of Nuclear Weapons (MAD)
will prevail.

Perhaps China has missiles that can destroy satellites, China is well
aware the US has missiles that can destroy China.

Lunar Tick wrote:

According to a spokesman for the National Security Council, the
ground-based, medium-range ballistic missile knocked an old Chinese
weather satellite from its orbit about 537 miles above Earth. The
missile carried a "kill vehicle" and destroyed the satellite by ramming
it.


The USA did the same thing to one of its satellites some years
ago. I do not look forward to the day when satellites can be
readily "taken out" by high energy lasers.

Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:

Lunar Tick wrote:
According to a spokesman for the National Security Council, the
ground-based, medium-range ballistic missile knocked an old Chinese
weather satellite from its orbit about 537 miles above Earth. The
missile carried a "kill vehicle" and destroyed the satellite by ramming
it.

The USA did the same thing to one of its satellites some years
ago. I do not look forward to the day when satellites can be
readily "taken out" by high energy lasers.

Do your basic physics.

It can't be done,

Jan

J. J. Lodder wrote:
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:

Lunar Tick wrote:
According to a spokesman for the National Security Council, the
ground-based, medium-range ballistic missile knocked an old Chinese
weather satellite from its orbit about 537 miles above Earth. The
missile carried a "kill vehicle" and destroyed the satellite by ramming
it.

The USA did the same thing to one of its satellites some years
ago. I do not look forward to the day when satellites can be
readily "taken out" by high energy lasers.

Do your basic physics.

It can't be done,

Jan

What would it take to do it from orbit, J. J.?

Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:

Lunar Tick wrote:
According to a spokesman for the National Security Council, the
ground-based, medium-range ballistic missile knocked an old Chinese
weather satellite from its orbit about 537 miles above Earth. The
missile carried a "kill vehicle" and destroyed the satellite by ramming
it.

The USA did the same thing to one of its satellites some years
ago. I do not look forward to the day when satellites can be
readily "taken out" by high energy lasers.

Do your basic physics.

It can't be done,

Jan

J. J. Lodder wrote:
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:

Lunar Tick wrote:
According to a spokesman for the National Security Council, the
ground-based, medium-range ballistic missile knocked an old Chinese
weather satellite from its orbit about 537 miles above Earth. The
missile carried a "kill vehicle" and destroyed the satellite by ramming
it.

The USA did the same thing to one of its satellites some years
ago. I do not look forward to the day when satellites can be
readily "taken out" by high energy lasers.

Do your basic physics.

It can't be done,

Jan

The Airborne Laser says "hello"!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_Laser