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Jim C Roberts
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:26 pm
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Greetings all,

First the gloat, salesman come into the shop last week with a BIG box,
nice shiny new Dynasty 700 contained within. Fully loaded, TigRunner slung
underneath, 2 torches, all the bell, whistles, knobs, buttons and dancing
women you could ever want. OK, so I'm lying about the dancing women, but
who needs them when you can weld Alum with a beautiful inverter based rig
like this?? Smile
The boss was only contemplating purchasing it, but once he and the Shop
Foreman used it I think it pretty much sealed the deal, I hope so anyway.

Now for the question, please bear with me. Is it possible to clean SS
parts(1 1/4x1 1/4x3/16 Angle Iron) of the welding brownies using a
de-browning(?) agent, either an acid or Citrasafe(sp), in a process similar
to anodizing in that we could build a tank, submerge the parts and pass a
small current threw it the solution to speed the process along?

Do-ability, Dangers, replies that I am an idiot, all welcome and
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Jim
c.henry
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:40 am
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its got to be possible, price and epa regulations might make it a bear
unless in large quantities

can the be cleaned in a large vibratory tumbler ?
bead blasted ?
Ernie Leimkuhler
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:03 am
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In article <eLOdnVvgkP_dDzjYnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Jim C Roberts" <jimnthemNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote:

Quote:
Greetings all,

First the gloat, salesman come into the shop last week with a BIG box,
nice shiny new Dynasty 700 contained within. Fully loaded, TigRunner slung
underneath, 2 torches, all the bell, whistles, knobs, buttons and dancing
women you could ever want. OK, so I'm lying about the dancing women, but
who needs them when you can weld Alum with a beautiful inverter based rig
like this?? Smile
The boss was only contemplating purchasing it, but once he and the Shop
Foreman used it I think it pretty much sealed the deal, I hope so anyway.

Now for the question, please bear with me. Is it possible to clean SS
parts(1 1/4x1 1/4x3/16 Angle Iron) of the welding brownies using a
de-browning(?) agent, either an acid or Citrasafe(sp), in a process similar
to anodizing in that we could build a tank, submerge the parts and pass a
small current threw it the solution to speed the process along?

Do-ability, Dangers, replies that I am an idiot, all welcome and
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Jim

Are you talking about simple oxidation colors or are you talking about
crusty black "sugaring" (looks like burnt sugar)?

The oxidation colors are easy to chemically remove using Citrisurf and
electricity.

Sugaring must be mechanically removed, and then passivated.

Check out

http://www.stellarsolutions.net/
Jim C Roberts
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:15 am
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"Ernie Leimkuhler" <stagesmith@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:stagesmith-03E68D.23035910012007@news.west.earthlink.net...
Quote:

Are you talking about simple oxidation colors or are you talking about
crusty black "sugaring" (looks like burnt sugar)?

Yes Ernie, teh discoloration from welding, both GMAW and GTAW.

Quote:
The oxidation colors are easy to chemically remove using Citrisurf and
electricity.

That's what I had hoped to hear, realizing this is probably a loaded
question, any idea what size tank a standard battery charger would be able
to handle? Or would we need to go more industrial sized, possibly even
ultra sonic? The parts are approx. 5'x5'x1 1/2", (frames built out of 1
1/2" angle), ideally I think we would be doing more than 1 at a time since
there are well over 1,300 pcs. involved here.

Quote:

Sugaring must be mechanically removed, and then passivated.

Pardon my ignorance, but could someone give the definition of passivation?
I have seen/heard it for a while now, would appreciate a definition.


I did, thanks.

Regards,
Jim

PS thanks also to c. henry for oyur reply
Ernie Leimkuhler
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:35 am
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In article <Br6dne21hMT8ljrYnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Jim C Roberts" <jimnthemNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote:

Quote:
"Ernie Leimkuhler" <stagesmith@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:stagesmith-03E68D.23035910012007@news.west.earthlink.net...

Are you talking about simple oxidation colors or are you talking about
crusty black "sugaring" (looks like burnt sugar)?

Yes Ernie, teh discoloration from welding, both GMAW and GTAW.

The oxidation colors are easy to chemically remove using Citrisurf and
electricity.

That's what I had hoped to hear, realizing this is probably a loaded
question, any idea what size tank a standard battery charger would be able
to handle? Or would we need to go more industrial sized, possibly even
ultra sonic? The parts are approx. 5'x5'x1 1/2", (frames built out of 1
1/2" angle), ideally I think we would be doing more than 1 at a time since
there are well over 1,300 pcs. involved here.


I would guess a battery charger could handle a 10 - 15 gallon tank.
Just make sure you have ventilation for the fumes.


Quote:

Sugaring must be mechanically removed, and then passivated.

Pardon my ignorance, but could someone give the definition of passivation?
I have seen/heard it for a while now, would appreciate a definition.

Check out

http://www.stellarsolutions.net/

I did, thanks.

Regards,
Jim

PS thanks also to c. henry for oyur reply

Passivation is simply the removal of disassociated iron particles from
the surface of stainless steels.
These particles can be caused by welding or abrasion against pieces of
carbon steel.
 
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