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Odysseus
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:52 am
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In article <xnQwh.86474$HV6.52430@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
"M" <spam@spamme.com> wrote:

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At university they were always banging on about using SI........except for
time.........

Ummm ... ITYFT the second is the official SI unit of time.

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oriel36
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:00 pm
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 943
On Feb 2, 7:03 pm, "AustinMN" <tacooper...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Feb 1, 1:24 pm, "oriel36" <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Feb 1, 7:49 pm, "AustinMN" <tacooper...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Feb 1, 12:16 pm, "oriel36" <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Had one person appreciated how the equable 24 hour day was a product
of reducing the variations of the natural day to a 24 hour day and
then when axial rotation was discovered,the technical feat of allowing
24 hours to elapse seamlessly into the next 24 hours was transfered to
the principle that axial rotation and clocks remain always in sync at
15 degrees per hour and 24 hours through 360 degrees.

Do you honestly believe the earth rotates exactly 360 degrees in 24
hours?

Do you know what the word 'correlation' means ?.

Yes.

Do you know how the pace of a clock hour,minute and second correlates
with axial rotation in terms of longitudinal seperation based on 4
minutes for each degree of geographical seperation making 24 hours/360
degrees ?

Yes. 24 hours in 360 degrees of longitude. 23 hours, 56 minutes, and
4.x seconds in 360 degrees of rotation.


I do not know what my astronomical timekeeping and structural
astronomers did to deserve this.This is no phony expression of opinion
but genuine remorse for the loss of an entire heritage and I assure
you that I am feeling it.

You speak of that 23 hour 56 minute 04 second value for rotation
through 360 degrees without the slightest sign of an objection on
behalf of those brilliant people who creeated the equable 24 hour day
first and the later structural heliocentric astronomers who adapted it
to axial rotation at 4 minutes for each degree of rotation or rather
transfered the average 24 hour day to the average/constant daily
cycle which uses axial rotation as a mechanism.

If you feel comfortable with axial rotation in ? per hour through
the 23 hours 56 min 04 second value then you will certainly feel
uncomfortable with axial rotation at 15 degrees per hour making 24
hours /360 degrees in total.I would have thought that at one other
person would feel comfortable with the clock/axial rotation
correlation but I have yet to see one participant here acknowledge it.

The truth is that most here already know what is the correct value and
how is came to be that way,at least in broad outlines.That it
represents the sorting and sifting of many civilisations and
generations stretching back to remote antiquity makes it worth the
effort to restore to its brilliance and jettison the efforts of less
careful people in the late 17th century.













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Do you understand that the human devised principles for the equable 24
hour day does not require an external reference and there is none to
be found hence the Equation of Time ?

Nonsense. The 24 hour clock is based on the sun - an external
reference.

Do you clearly understand that the noon Equation of Time correction
keeps the 24 hour day constant and seamlessly elapsing into the next
24 hour day ?

I thought there was no external reference...

Do you clearly understand that Copernicus discovered axial rotation
causes the daily cycle ?

Yes. Anyone who has completed third grade knows that. Miss Decker
had a model of the solar system, and she could turn a crank and all
the visible planets (and the moon) would rotate and revolve
approximatly at rates relative to what they do in space. It's
something any third grader can understand. But you are still stuck in
third grade.

Do you understand how the heliocentric astronomers made excellent use
of the older principles which create the equable 24 hour day,how they
just overlayed the principles which create the 24 hour day on top of
terrestrial longitudes ?.

Yes. But they knew more than you do, including that a day is not a
rotation.

Do you understand that in order for the clock/axial correlation to
work,the Equation of Time had to be applied ?

You keep blabbing on about the equation of time. If it's an equation,
then give us the formula...





Considering that it is many years since I actively promoted the
astronomical timekeeping system which keep clocks in sync with axial
rotation and I have still to see one person here grasp the basics,even
when most have heard how clocks resolved longitude.

I've asked you this question several times. You always ignore it.
Sometimes you reply a long nonsense post, but this calls for one
word. Yes or no - do you honestly believe the earth rotates exactly
once in 24 hours?

Austin (not expecting a truthful reply)

The value which you assign to axial rotation and the justification is
outright fundamentalism,worse still,it appears to be in the majority -

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml

God forbid you ever know just how bad things actually are,I assure you
that you need a Christian faith to deal with a fundamentalist/cult
approach to topics which should not last a week if any real authority
existed.

As expected, a non-answer. Don't call on your Christianity (or attack
mine) when you can't answer a simple question.

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