I'm surprised even you would make such a fundamentally flawed argument.
The majority of the world's humans are not hunter/gatherers living in
close proximity to predators, which are the only groups that count, no
matter how few of these H/G groups are left. The thousands of humans
that live in cities or other areas in heavy concentrations, have no
other choice than to bury or cremate their dead.

claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:

They are only up in the trees when predators are in the immediate
vicinity, dimwit.

How stupid can you get? What if the predator decides not to leave?
Lucy then will come down and beat him up?

What a plainly inane question. I suppose in those instances the apith
in question would be out of luck.

Do you ever tire of making retractions? If they couldn't guard one, it
is obvious they couldn't guard any.

I can't figure out what your point is. Assuming you have one.

Niccolo Caldararo: "You really need to do some reading (and I've said
this before). It is embarrassing to you (or should be) for you to
continually make statements which most of us know are unsupported by
the data."

Who is Niccolo Caldararo? Why would anybody care about his opinion,
dimwit.

Who the hell is Claudius Jim Denk McGinn, other than an alias for
someone too embarassed to use his real name? Coward. But then again, if
I posted the lunatic drivel you did, I would change my name also.


No response.

Nothing to respond to....


Why would you quote the opinion of somebody that has no expertise in
this field?

Obviously he has a lot more expertise than you do.....
Message-ID: <1165825208.180342.263860@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Jim McGinn: "Much of the existing evidence is consistent with
gardens/groves, etc.
Hominid fossils tend to be found in association with trees and water
nearby. And hominid food preference are consistent with such."

Have you been mentally ill long?



Niccolo Caldararo is a guy who can see through an illiterate buffoon
like you.

We're suppose to take your word on this? Fat chance that.

Says the loon imagining apiths guarded gardens.



You might try going to the library for the first time in your life and
check out a book called BONES by Lew Binford.

Read it. It's conclusions are dimwitted.

Hearing voices again?

Feel free to relay to us the brilliant insights that you, supposedly,
gleened from your reading of this book.

No response.

You can't read? He wrote the book once, how many people have to write
something before you get it?

Who said anything about his conclusions? I think
most of them stink also.

Then why did you present it?

Can't you read, there is a difference between observed facts and
conclusions drawn from them. Even an idiot like you should be able to
figure that out.

Keep in mind I don't have direct access to your imagination.

You certainly have access to plenty of imagination of your own, why
would you need mine?


That doesn't made his observations about
preadators hunting at night false. These can verified elsewhere:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2519leopards.html
NARRATOR: Tonight, on NOVA: As daylight fades, a silent hunter stalks.
For the first time ever, under the cover of complete darkness, see her
strike. With NOVA's special cameras, go on the hunt with Africa's most
successful big cat. Enter the hidden world of leopards of the night.

Do you have a point?

Yes, I falsified yours.

How so?

How not so?


Or check any good library (which I know you will never do). So much for
your lunatic idea apiths guarded territory or gardens day or night.

Specifically?

Your evidence that they did, specifically?

Specifically?

Specifically?




Let's face it, your silly
hypothesis is the funniest comedy to hit sap since Ed's MAOAC.

Humans currently are effective at defending territory from hebivores.
Why would it have been different for the earliest hominids?

How early? The South African caves prove apiths could not defend any
better than antelope.

Prove? How so? As usual you're just making up facts to fit your
preconceived notions.

Niccolo Caldararo: "You really need to do some reading (and I've said
this before). It is embarrassing to you (or should be) for you to
continually make statements which most of us know are unsupported by
the data."

Can't answer the question. You're a fool.

Message-ID: <1164704227.718683.98...
/groups/unlock?msg=04fbb3c26ba8e19a&hl=en&_done=/group/sci.anthropology.paleo/browse_frm/thread/3597d023d7604931%3Fscoring%3Dd%26hl%3Den%26>@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com

Jim McGinn: "Both tigers and lions evolved from Sabertoothed cats."
"The analysis shows that the sabertooth cats were a sister group to
the modern cats--that is, they diverged early on from the ancestors of
modern cats and are not closely related to any living felid species."
Barnett et al.: "Evolution of the extinct Sabretooths and the American
cheetah-like cat" Current Biology, Vol. 15, August 9, 2005.

Jim McGinn: "Well then I guess I stand corrected on this point."

Niccolo Caldararo: "You really need to do some reading (and I've said
this before). It is embarrassing to you (or should be) for you to
continually make statements which most of us know are unsupported by
the data."



Does your lack of intelligence means I need to repeat the same
citations continuously?



Homo e could. Any thing else you would like to
know?

Do you use a crystal ball?

Nope, just a library.

Why do you never include speific references that apply to your point?
Vagueness does not a hypothesis make.


Barnett et al.: "Evolution of the extinct Sabretooths and the American
cheetah-like cat" Current Biology, Vol. 15, August 9, 2005.

Do you want the entire list repeated as an admission of your senile
mind?

Have you always been a lying asshole, or do you only do it when
trolling on sap?


You're such a desperate fool all you can do is keep repeating points
that I've already conceded.

Since you were forced to concede in the first place only proves how
little thought you use when making up your fantasies in the first
place. Try thinking before posting. Apiths did not guard gardens
anymore than lions descended from saber-tooth cats.

Lee Olsen wrote:
claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:

They are only up in the trees when predators are in the immediate
vicinity, dimwit.

How stupid can you get? What if the predator decides not to leave?
Lucy then will come down and beat him up?

What a plainly inane question. I suppose in those instances the apith
in question would be out of luck.

Do you ever tire of making retractions? If they couldn't guard one, it
is obvious they couldn't guard any.

Why don't you step us through the logic that brought you to this
conclusion. If nothing else it should be good for a few laughs.

I can't figure out what your point is. Assuming you have one.

Niccolo Caldararo: "You really need to do some reading (and I've said
this before). It is embarrassing to you (or should be) for you to
continually make statements which most of us know are unsupported by
the data."

Who is Niccolo Caldararo? Why would anybody care about his opinion,
dimwit.

Who the hell is Claudius Jim Denk McGinn, other than an alias for
someone too embarassed to use his real name? Coward. But then again, if
I posted the lunatic drivel you did, I would change my name also.


No response.

Nothing to respond to....


Why would you quote the opinion of somebody that has no expertise in
this field?

No response.

Obviously he has a lot more expertise than you do.....
Message-ID: <1165825208.180342.263860@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Jim McGinn: "Much of the existing evidence is consistent with
gardens/groves, etc.
Hominid fossils tend to be found in association with trees and water
nearby. And hominid food preference are consistent with such."

Have you been mentally ill long?



Niccolo Caldararo is a guy who can see through an illiterate buffoon
like you.

We're suppose to take your word on this? Fat chance that.

Says the loon imagining apiths guarded gardens.



You might try going to the library for the first time in your life and
check out a book called BONES by Lew Binford.

Read it. It's conclusions are dimwitted.

Hearing voices again?

Feel free to relay to us the brilliant insights that you, supposedly,
gleened from your reading of this book.

No response.

You can't read? He wrote the book once, how many people have to write
something before you get it?

Uh . . . get what?

claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:
claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:

They are only up in the trees when predators are in the immediate
vicinity, dimwit.

How stupid can you get? What if the predator decides not to leave?
Lucy then will come down and beat him up?

What a plainly inane question. I suppose in those instances the apith
in question would be out of luck.

Do you ever tire of making retractions? If they couldn't guard one, it
is obvious they couldn't guard any.

Why don't you step us through the logic that brought you to this
conclusion. If nothing else it should be good for a few laughs.

You really are insane. What makes the "apith in question would be out
of luck." any different from any other apith?

I can't figure out what your point is. Assuming you have one.

Niccolo Caldararo: "You really need to do some reading (and I've said
this before). It is embarrassing to you (or should be) for you to
continually make statements which most of us know are unsupported by
the data."

Who is Niccolo Caldararo? Why would anybody care about his opinion,
dimwit.

Who the hell is Claudius Jim Denk McGinn, other than an alias for
someone too embarassed to use his real name? Coward. But then again, if
I posted the lunatic drivel you did, I would change my name also.


No response.

Nothing to respond to....


Why would you quote the opinion of somebody that has no expertise in
this field?

No response.

Nothing to respond to...

Obviously he has a lot more expertise than you do.....
Message-ID: <1165825208.180342.263860@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Jim McGinn: "Much of the existing evidence is consistent with
gardens/groves, etc.
Hominid fossils tend to be found in association with trees and water
nearby. And hominid food preference are consistent with such."

Have you been mentally ill long?



Niccolo Caldararo is a guy who can see through an illiterate buffoon
like you.

We're suppose to take your word on this? Fat chance that.

Says the loon imagining apiths guarded gardens.



You might try going to the library for the first time in your life and
check out a book called BONES by Lew Binford.

Read it. It's conclusions are dimwitted.

Hearing voices again?

Feel free to relay to us the brilliant insights that you, supposedly,
gleened from your reading of this book.

No response.

You can't read? He wrote the book once, how many people have to write
something before you get it?

Uh . . . get what?

His observations on predators hunting at night.

Lee Olsen wrote:
claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:
claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:

They are only up in the trees when predators are in the immediate
vicinity, dimwit.

How stupid can you get? What if the predator decides not to leave?
Lucy then will come down and beat him up?

What a plainly inane question. I suppose in those instances the apith
in question would be out of luck.

Do you ever tire of making retractions? If they couldn't guard one, it
is obvious they couldn't guard any.

Why don't you step us through the logic that brought you to this
conclusion. If nothing else it should be good for a few laughs.

You really are insane. What makes the "apith in question would be out
of luck." any different from any other apith?

Uh . . . ?

I can't figure out what your point is. Assuming you have one.

Niccolo Caldararo: "You really need to do some reading (and I've said
this before). It is embarrassing to you (or should be) for you to
continually make statements which most of us know are unsupported by
the data."

Who is Niccolo Caldararo? Why would anybody care about his opinion,
dimwit.

Who the hell is Claudius Jim Denk McGinn, other than an alias for
someone too embarassed to use his real name? Coward. But then again, if
I posted the lunatic drivel you did, I would change my name also.


No response.

Nothing to respond to....


Why would you quote the opinion of somebody that has no expertise in
this field?

No response.

Nothing to respond to...

Because you have no dispute with anything I'm saying. Admit it.

Obviously he has a lot more expertise than you do.....
Message-ID: <1165825208.180342.263860@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Jim McGinn: "Much of the existing evidence is consistent with
gardens/groves, etc.
Hominid fossils tend to be found in association with trees and water
nearby. And hominid food preference are consistent with such."

Have you been mentally ill long?



Niccolo Caldararo is a guy who can see through an illiterate buffoon
like you.

We're suppose to take your word on this? Fat chance that.

Says the loon imagining apiths guarded gardens.



You might try going to the library for the first time in your life and
check out a book called BONES by Lew Binford.

Read it. It's conclusions are dimwitted.

Hearing voices again?

Feel free to relay to us the brilliant insights that you, supposedly,
gleened from your reading of this book.

No response.

You can't read? He wrote the book once, how many people have to write
something before you get it?

Uh . . . get what?

His observations on predators hunting at night.

What about them?

claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:
claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:
claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:

They are only up in the trees when predators are in the immediate
vicinity, dimwit.

How stupid can you get? What if the predator decides not to leave?
Lucy then will come down and beat him up?

What a plainly inane question. I suppose in those instances the apith
in question would be out of luck.

Do you ever tire of making retractions? If they couldn't guard one, it
is obvious they couldn't guard any.

Why don't you step us through the logic that brought you to this
conclusion. If nothing else it should be good for a few laughs.

You really are insane. What makes the "apith in question would be out
of luck." any different from any other apith?

Uh . . . ?

Asks the loon who claims apiths were guarding gardens.







I can't figure out what your point is. Assuming you have one.

Niccolo Caldararo: "You really need to do some reading (and I've said
this before). It is embarrassing to you (or should be) for you to
continually make statements which most of us know are unsupported by
the data."

Who is Niccolo Caldararo? Why would anybody care about his opinion,
dimwit.

Who the hell is Claudius Jim Denk McGinn, other than an alias for
someone too embarassed to use his real name? Coward. But then again, if
I posted the lunatic drivel you did, I would change my name also.


No response.

Nothing to respond to....


Why would you quote the opinion of somebody that has no expertise in
this field?

No response.

Nothing to respond to...

Because you have no dispute with anything I'm saying. Admit it.


You are not saying anything, you are imagining you are saying
something.






Obviously he has a lot more expertise than you do.....
Message-ID: <1165825208.180342.263860@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Jim McGinn: "Much of the existing evidence is consistent with
gardens/groves, etc.
Hominid fossils tend to be found in association with trees and water
nearby. And hominid food preference are consistent with such."

Have you been mentally ill long?



Niccolo Caldararo is a guy who can see through an illiterate buffoon
like you.

We're suppose to take your word on this? Fat chance that.

Says the loon imagining apiths guarded gardens.



You might try going to the library for the first time in your life and
check out a book called BONES by Lew Binford.

Read it. It's conclusions are dimwitted.

Hearing voices again?

Feel free to relay to us the brilliant insights that you, supposedly,
gleened from your reading of this book.

No response.

You can't read? He wrote the book once, how many people have to write
something before you get it?

Uh . . . get what?

His observations on predators hunting at night.

What about them?

Jim McGinn: "Do you believe, like Paul, that
early hominids were incapable of seeing at night?"

Your imagination is working overtime, did someone say "incapable"?
Where? Still hearing voices? Leopards and hyenas see better than
apiths at night, that's why apiths get killed guarding gardens at
night.

Jim McGinn: "what purpose do the stone weapons (spears, bow and
arrow) serve that show up in the fossil record starting about 2.5
mya?"

Evidence? Citation?

Lee Olsen wrote:
claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:
claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:
claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:

They are only up in the trees when predators are in the immediate
vicinity, dimwit.

How stupid can you get? What if the predator decides not to leave?
Lucy then will come down and beat him up?

What a plainly inane question. I suppose in those instances the apith
in question would be out of luck.

Do you ever tire of making retractions? If they couldn't guard one, it
is obvious they couldn't guard any.

Why don't you step us through the logic that brought you to this
conclusion. If nothing else it should be good for a few laughs.

You really are insane. What makes the "apith in question would be out
of luck." any different from any other apith?

Uh . . . ?

Asks the loon who claims apiths were guarding gardens.







I can't figure out what your point is. Assuming you have one.

Niccolo Caldararo: "You really need to do some reading (and I've said
this before). It is embarrassing to you (or should be) for you to
continually make statements which most of us know are unsupported by
the data."

Who is Niccolo Caldararo? Why would anybody care about his opinion,
dimwit.

Who the hell is Claudius Jim Denk McGinn, other than an alias for
someone too embarassed to use his real name? Coward. But then again, if
I posted the lunatic drivel you did, I would change my name also.


No response.

Nothing to respond to....


Why would you quote the opinion of somebody that has no expertise in
this field?

No response.

Nothing to respond to...

Because you have no dispute with anything I'm saying. Admit it.


You are not saying anything, you are imagining you are saying
something.






Obviously he has a lot more expertise than you do.....
Message-ID: <1165825208.180342.263860@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Jim McGinn: "Much of the existing evidence is consistent with
gardens/groves, etc.
Hominid fossils tend to be found in association with trees and water
nearby. And hominid food preference are consistent with such."

Have you been mentally ill long?



Niccolo Caldararo is a guy who can see through an illiterate buffoon
like you.

We're suppose to take your word on this? Fat chance that.

Says the loon imagining apiths guarded gardens.



You might try going to the library for the first time in your life and
check out a book called BONES by Lew Binford.

Read it. It's conclusions are dimwitted.

Hearing voices again?

Feel free to relay to us the brilliant insights that you, supposedly,
gleened from your reading of this book.

No response.

You can't read? He wrote the book once, how many people have to write
something before you get it?

Uh . . . get what?

His observations on predators hunting at night.

What about them?

Jim McGinn: "Do you believe, like Paul, that
early hominids were incapable of seeing at night?"

Your imagination is working overtime, did someone say "incapable"?
Where? Still hearing voices? Leopards and hyenas see better than
apiths at night, that's why apiths get killed guarding gardens at
night.

Jim McGinn: "what purpose do the stone weapons (spears, bow and
arrow) serve that show up in the fossil record starting about 2.5
mya?"

Evidence? Citation?

This is hilarious, like his "guns and jeeps" story several weeks ago.
We have to assume that there is a very limited knowledge of tech
development going on in JMc's head.

claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:
claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:
claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:

They are only up in the trees when predators are in the immediate
vicinity, dimwit.

How stupid can you get? What if the predator decides not to leave?
Lucy then will come down and beat him up?

What a plainly inane question. I suppose in those instances the apith
in question would be out of luck.

Do you ever tire of making retractions? If they couldn't guard one, it
is obvious they couldn't guard any.

Why don't you step us through the logic that brought you to this
conclusion. If nothing else it should be good for a few laughs.

You really are insane. What makes the "apith in question would be out
of luck." any different from any other apith?

Uh . . . ?

Asks the loon who claims apiths were guarding gardens.

I can't figure out what your point is. Assuming you have one.

Niccolo Caldararo: "You really need to do some reading (and I've said
this before). It is embarrassing to you (or should be) for you to
continually make statements which most of us know are unsupported by
the data."

Who is Niccolo Caldararo? Why would anybody care about his opinion,
dimwit.

Who the hell is Claudius Jim Denk McGinn, other than an alias for
someone too embarassed to use his real name? Coward. But then again, if
I posted the lunatic drivel you did, I would change my name also.


No response.

Nothing to respond to....


Why would you quote the opinion of somebody that has no expertise in
this field?

No response.

Nothing to respond to...

Because you have no dispute with anything I'm saying. Admit it.


You are not saying anything, you are imagining you are saying
something.

Obviously he has a lot more expertise than you do.....
Message-ID: <1165825208.180342.263860@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Jim McGinn: "Much of the existing evidence is consistent with
gardens/groves, etc.
Hominid fossils tend to be found in association with trees and water
nearby. And hominid food preference are consistent with such."

Have you been mentally ill long?



Niccolo Caldararo is a guy who can see through an illiterate buffoon
like you.

We're suppose to take your word on this? Fat chance that.

Says the loon imagining apiths guarded gardens.



You might try going to the library for the first time in your life and
check out a book called BONES by Lew Binford.

Read it. It's conclusions are dimwitted.

Hearing voices again?

Feel free to relay to us the brilliant insights that you, supposedly,
gleened from your reading of this book.

No response.

You can't read? He wrote the book once, how many people have to write
something before you get it?

Uh . . . get what?

His observations on predators hunting at night.

What about them?

Jim McGinn: "Do you believe, like Paul, that
early hominids were incapable of seeing at night?"

Your imagination is working overtime, did someone say "incapable"?
Where?

Still hearing voices? Leopards and hyenas see better than
apiths at night,

that's why apiths get killed guarding gardens at
night.

Jim McGinn: "what purpose do the stone weapons (spears, bow and
arrow) serve that show up in the fossil record starting about 2.5
mya?"

Evidence? Citation?

Evolutionary theory is a difficult subject. But you can't get better
at it unless your are honest with yourself about what the evidence
actually indicates.

Lee Olsen wrote:
claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Evolutionary theory is a difficult subject. But you can't get better
at it unless your are honest with yourself about what the evidence
actually indicates.

You reason like a two-year old. What I do or do not do has nothing to
with your inability to publish your hypothesis in any other location
but a place that amounts to nothing more than a bathroom wall. Evidence
to you amounts to nothing more than what you can dream up in your wet
dreams.

Jim McGinn: "what purpose do the stone weapons (spears, bow and
arrow) serve that show up in the fossil record starting about 2.5
mya?"

Evidence? Citation?

It amazes me that people that have zero understanding of evolution

and/or no understanding of how to construct a scientific hypothesis

Leave your emotions out of it.

Lee Olsen wrote:
claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Lee Olsen wrote:
[...]
Are you really stupid enough to
think apiths were "situated" the same as extant humans?

In some respects they were even more situated than extant humans. Many
humans regularly travel outside their immediate town/city. A'piths
were mostly unable to travel outside their treed community site because
if they did they'd end up a meal for felines, hyena, or dogs. But with
respect to moving around within their community site they would,
probably, have been less situated. The notion of private property was
[...]
Define "situated" exactly you evasive clown.

It means they didn't travel. Hunter/gatherer behavior is a recent

Define "situated" exactly you evasive clown.

It means they didn't travel. Hunter/gatherer behavior is a recent

Australopiths ranged over a good chunk of Africa, from South Africa
to Chad. This means travel.

Australopiths ranged over a good chunk of Africa, from South Africa
to Chad. This means travel.

On Jan 28, 8:35 pm, Rich Travsky <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

Define "situated" exactly you evasive clown.

It means they didn't travel. Hunter/gatherer behavior is a recent

Australopiths ranged over a good chunk of Africa, from South Africa
to Chad. This means travel.

This is stupid. Dimwits like yourself should avoid evolutionary
theory. Even if they migrated just one mile a year they could
potentially relocate 10,000 miles over a mere ten thousand years. And
we certainly wouldn't want to suggest that one mile a year is
consistent with a species that regularly travels. If you didn't have
your head up your ass this would be obvious to you.

"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
news:45BD799D.BECEDEBF@hotmMOVEail.com...

Australopiths ranged over a good chunk of Africa, from South Africa
to Chad. This means travel.

Lions ranged over a good chunk of Africa.

In the opinion of Travsky, lions travelled...