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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:31 pm |
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Can a rooster's spurs be trimmed back like a cat's claws - or for that matter a
chook's or rabbit's or guineapig's "toenails"? It's harder to see where the
blood vessel is though. Does it go right to the end of the spur?
A L P |
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| Geo |
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:23 pm |
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a_l_p wrote:
Quote: Can a rooster's spurs be trimmed back like a cat's claws - or for that
matter a chook's or rabbit's or guineapig's "toenails"? It's harder to
see where the blood vessel is though. Does it go right to the end of
the spur?
A L P
oh yes they can. i use the baked potato and wire cutter method. found it
on the net at some edu site. good luck. g. |
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| Jill |
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:06 pm |
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a_l_p wrote:
Quote: Can a rooster's spurs be trimmed back like a cat's claws - or for
that matter a chook's or rabbit's or guineapig's "toenails"? It's
harder to see where the blood vessel is though. Does it go right to
the end of the spur?
A L P
google the archives of the group and you will find quite a few conversations
about it
Not something I have done or would chose to do
;)
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Jill Bowis
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Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
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| a_l_p |
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:26 pm |
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Jill wrote:
Quote: a_l_p wrote:
Can a rooster's spurs be trimmed back like a cat's claws - or for
that matter a chook's or rabbit's or guineapig's "toenails"? It's
harder to see where the blood vessel is though. Does it go right to
the end of the spur?
A L P
google the archives of the group and you will find quite a few conversations
about it
Not something I have done or would chose to do
;)
I've got one girl who is now bald from (in human terms) bottom of shoulder
blades to just above waist.
I have had to put her back in with the rabbit and guineapig - not a problem for
her, she sees the others through the netting wall so she is not lonely and her
flat-mates are unconcerned. In fact it is where broody chooks go now and
usually they get over it quite well there, as easily as in a broody box but with
more fun since there is a whole new deep-litter environment to explore. Big Red
got tossed in there yesterday because she looked as if she might be "on the
turn" again. Or maybe it was just a slow egg ... I've just collected 2 from
that pen and I guarantee the rabbit wasn't responsible. He's a boy!
Anyway I'll have a wander through the archives, and google for the
spud'n'cutters method too. Thanks Jill and Geo.
A L P |
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| E Gregory |
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:18 pm |
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Hi, I trim my roosters spurs when they get really long with a mini pipe
cutter. It's a gadget that was meant to cut small diameter plumbing
pipes. It has a wheel shaped cutter across from a clamp-like piece that
holds the spur in place and you just go around and around the spur
tighening the clamp as it cuts, once it's cut through enough of the spur
you can just break it off. It breaks off leaving a new sharp point,
just on the end of a shorter spur. I cut the spurs to a length of about
1.5 inches maybe a little shorter. There is no blood. Doesn't hurt the
rooster, it's like cutting a toenail. I just catch the rooster, wrap
him in a towel leaving the leg to work with out. Rooster just waits
patiently until I'm done.
Good luck,
Eileen
a_l_p wrote:
Quote: Can a rooster's spurs be trimmed back like a cat's claws - or for that
matter a chook's or rabbit's or guineapig's "toenails"? It's harder to
see where the blood vessel is though. Does it go right to the end of
the spur?
A L P |
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| Jill |
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:32 pm |
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a_l_p wrote:
Quote: Jill wrote:
a_l_p wrote:
Can a rooster's spurs be trimmed back like a cat's claws - or for
that matter a chook's or rabbit's or guineapig's "toenails"? It's
harder to see where the blood vessel is though. Does it go right to
the end of the spur?
A L P
google the archives of the group and you will find quite a few
conversations about it
Not something I have done or would chose to do
;)
I've got one girl who is now bald from (in human terms) bottom of
shoulder blades to just above waist.
Then take the cockerel out and make him a bachelor enclosure - put girls in
there only when you need to for fertile eggs
If you don't want fertile eggs then rehome him.
or
Get him more girls
Make them saddles
--
regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
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| Rhea |
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:56 am |
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My DH has trimmed spurs for me. Took a Banty Rooster for my daughters show
and tell. We use the dog nail clippers with the sliding blade. He just
trimmed the point, he made it blunt so he could not hurt anyone by accident.
He was a very tame Banty. He even cock-a-doodle-do for the class. LOL
You can search on the net for other ways to trim them.
Regena
"a_l_p" <hay_hell_pea@eyehug.co.nz> wrote in message
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Quote: Can a rooster's spurs be trimmed back like a cat's claws - or for that
matter a chook's or rabbit's or guineapig's "toenails"? It's harder to
see where the blood vessel is though. Does it go right to the end of the
spur?
A L P |
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| unicorn |
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:07 pm |
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a_l_p wrote:
Quote: Can a rooster's spurs be trimmed back like a cat's claws - or for that
matter a chook's or rabbit's or guineapig's "toenails"? It's harder to
see where the blood vessel is though. Does it go right to the end of
the spur?
A L P
ALP I generally saw them off. Many will tell you to take care that you
do not hit the nerves bloody and vessels. This is not technically
correct. If you just trim the point, you will be doing it regularly for
the roosters life. If however you bite your bottom lip and using a
blunt hacksaw blade saw them off about 3/8-1/2 inch from the leg you
will cure the problem for the life of the bird. Many will say this is
cruel. I say you have to be cruel to be kind. Just as I have to dub
some of my older roosters. Of course it causes them pain. Usually
causes me some to. But when you take on having certain breeds of
animals certain cruel to be kind husbandry goes with the territory. ie
docking and mulseing sheep., dehorning cattle desexing 'most' species.
Even mouthing of horses
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| Mary Fisher |
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:49 am |
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"unicorn" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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Quote: a_l_p wrote:
Can a rooster's spurs be trimmed back like a cat's claws - or for that
matter a chook's or rabbit's or guineapig's "toenails"? It's harder to
see where the blood vessel is though. Does it go right to the end of the
spur?
A L P
ALP I generally saw them off. Many will tell you to take care that you do
not hit the nerves bloody and vessels. This is not technically correct.
If you just trim the point, you will be doing it regularly for the
roosters life. If however you bite your bottom lip and using a blunt
hacksaw blade saw them off about 3/8-1/2 inch from the leg you will cure
the problem for the life of the bird. Many will say this is cruel. I say
you have to be cruel to be kind. Just as I have to dub some of my older
roosters. Of course it causes them pain. Usually causes me some to. But
when you take on having certain breeds of animals certain cruel to be kind
husbandry goes with the territory. ie docking and mulseing sheep.,
dehorning cattle desexing 'most' species. Even mouthing of horses
In what way is all that kind to the animal?
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| Omelet |
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:54 am |
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In article <45eab24d$0$764$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: "unicorn" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
news:K2hGh.6526$8U4.3879@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
a_l_p wrote:
Can a rooster's spurs be trimmed back like a cat's claws - or for that
matter a chook's or rabbit's or guineapig's "toenails"? It's harder to
see where the blood vessel is though. Does it go right to the end of the
spur?
A L P
ALP I generally saw them off. Many will tell you to take care that you do
not hit the nerves bloody and vessels. This is not technically correct.
If you just trim the point, you will be doing it regularly for the
roosters life. If however you bite your bottom lip and using a blunt
hacksaw blade saw them off about 3/8-1/2 inch from the leg you will cure
the problem for the life of the bird. Many will say this is cruel. I say
you have to be cruel to be kind. Just as I have to dub some of my older
roosters. Of course it causes them pain. Usually causes me some to. But
when you take on having certain breeds of animals certain cruel to be kind
husbandry goes with the territory. ie docking and mulseing sheep.,
dehorning cattle desexing 'most' species. Even mouthing of horses
In what way is all that kind to the animal?
Mary
It prevents a LOT more injuries during their lifetime...
Kinda like circumcizing human babies...
Don't think that that is any different. It isn't.
I've sawn spurs off of roosters when the spur started causing them
trouble walking. The spurs got so long, they'd cripple the bird due to
the direction of their growth.
Docking sheep is also a common practice as feces builds up on the lamb's
tail otherwise. Flies lay eggs in the mess and the maggots eat the sheep
alive.
I've seen it.
There is often a good reason for some husbandry practices.
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:42 am |
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Omelet wrote:
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There is often a good reason for some husbandry practices.
and sometimes none for others!
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Jill Bowis
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Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
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| Omelet |
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:58 pm |
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In article <45eb173d$0$8737$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>,
"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Omelet wrote:
In article <45eabe9b$0$8724$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>,
"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
Omelet wrote:
There is often a good reason for some husbandry practices.
and sometimes none for others!
I won't argue with that. :-)
Docking puppies comes to mind...
I LIKE tails on dogs!
LOL
The folks I know who work spaniels daily do not like the horribly infected
tails that comes of working long tailed dogs in hard cover which is their
natural element
Its partly because Spaniels have always been docked
Working Labradors have had short, thick, powerful tails bred into their make
up over 300 years
An undocked Spaniel has a weak, long and flimsy tail which gets smashed to
smithereens by the constant and high frequency wagging.
There was no consideration put to this at all.
For pet spaniels - a long tail is fine
There will probably be only the same sort of percentage damage to tails as
in some of the long hounds. Its painful and can result in amputation but its
only a fairly low percentage
For working dogs this is a serious and very distressing problem
Okay, thanks for explaining. :-)
I've only ever kept _pet_ dogs.
The flagged tails of spaniels are things of beauty if kept groomed.
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:01 pm |
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"Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: For working dogs this is a serious and very distressing problem
Okay, thanks for explaining. :-)
I've only ever kept _pet_ dogs.
The flagged tails of spaniels are things of beauty if kept groomed.
Just another example of things never being quite so simple
<grin>
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:21 pm |
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In article <45eb33bc$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>,
"Jill" <mail@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote in message
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For working dogs this is a serious and very distressing problem
Okay, thanks for explaining. :-)
I've only ever kept _pet_ dogs.
The flagged tails of spaniels are things of beauty if kept groomed.
Just another example of things never being quite so simple
grin
Jill
Indeed!!!!!! ;-D
Cheers!
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"Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: ALP I generally saw them off. Many will tell you to take care that you
do
not hit the nerves bloody and vessels. This is not technically
correct.
If you just trim the point, you will be doing it regularly for the
roosters life. If however you bite your bottom lip and using a blunt
hacksaw blade saw them off about 3/8-1/2 inch from the leg you will
cure
the problem for the life of the bird. Many will say this is cruel. I
say
you have to be cruel to be kind. Just as I have to dub some of my
older
roosters. Of course it causes them pain. Usually causes me some to.
But
when you take on having certain breeds of animals certain cruel to be
kind
husbandry goes with the territory. ie docking and mulseing sheep.,
dehorning cattle desexing 'most' species. Even mouthing of horses
In what way is all that kind to the animal?
Mary
It prevents a LOT more injuries during their lifetime...
Kinda like circumcizing human babies...
Don't think that that is any different. It isn't.
it is - that's a very bad example. circumcising humans is a minor cultural
practice stemming from a religious practice, it has nothing to do with
medicine in the massive majority of cases.
Quote: I've sawn spurs off of roosters when the spur started causing them
trouble walking. The spurs got so long, they'd cripple the bird due to
the direction of their growth.
Docking sheep is also a common practice as feces builds up on the lamb's
tail otherwise. Flies lay eggs in the mess and the maggots eat the sheep
alive. (snip)
now _that_ is a much better, and comparable, example. docking & mulesing
sheep is strictly a preventative practice - to avoid something much worse.
getting back to the prior post - which made me cringe - if a person was to
remove roosters' spurs, wouldn't something quick & clean like bolt-cutters
be better than a blunt saw?!!
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