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| Jill |
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Merry Christmas everyone
Wishing you lots of good things and a great time with the folks you enjoy
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regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
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| Shiver |
| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:00 pm |
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| And season's greetings from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. |
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| Mary Fisher |
| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:15 pm |
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"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote: Merry Christmas everyone
Wishing you lots of good things and a great time with the folks you enjoy
Thank you, we have had - with added bonuses which will take some time to eat
and (especially) read through - both from Scotland as it happens, the one
from near Biggar, the other from Somewhere In The Highlands ...
:-)
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| Stephen Baines |
| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:02 am |
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On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:47:55 +0000, Jill wrote:
Quote: Merry Christmas everyone
Wishing you lots of good things and a great time with the folks you enjoy
God Jul from Sweden!
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| Jill |
| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:10 am |
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Stephen Baines wrote:
Quote: On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:47:55 +0000, Jill wrote:
Merry Christmas everyone
Wishing you lots of good things and a great time with the folks you
enjoy
God Jul from Sweden!
I see you are in ! - how is it going?
When you have time I would love to hear more about the genebank scheme --
what a superb idea!
What a shame RBST don't copy other countries like this
--
regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
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| Stephen Baines |
| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:18 am |
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:10:00 +0000, Jill wrote:
Quote: Stephen Baines wrote:
God Jul from Sweden!
I see you are in ! - how is it going?
It's going well. In some ways it was good that Nigel broke his leg just
before moving, as we would have made some horrid mistakes about what goes
where. A summer and autumn of seeing what happens in hot weather and in
the heavy rains has shown us a lot!
Quote: When you have time I would love to hear more about the genebank scheme --
Yeah, once the next couple of days are out of the way, I'll post
something in more detail.
The English version of the website for the genebank is
http://www.nordgen.org/ngh/english/
It's a good scheme to ensure that traditional breeds, not just of poultry
but also cattle, sheep and swine, have a chance to survive. In many ways
it's closer to the RHSs National Collections than anything else, where the
best examples of the breed are kept by enthusiasts and bred, who sell
"Genebank Registered" poultry to other enthusiasts, whilst ensuring their
own flock contains best examples and keeps the bloodlines healthy. Our
Genebank Skånsk Blommehöns have pretty much the full range of variations except for the lack of crested.
Our non-Genebank Skånsk Blommehöns have a fantastic crested cockerel but
may not really be pure so we can't contaminate the bloodlines. We're on
the lookout for a crested cockerel to possibly split the flock into two.
It's the wrong time of year to try at the moment.
The idea of breed in the genebank is somewhat different to what British
enthusiasts would recognise as a breed. The breed Skånsk Blommehöns, for
example, has crested and non crested birds, and colours all the way from
porcelain to almost jet black, but all the hens have distinctive "flowers"
on their plumage, and all are Skånsk Blommehöns. They breed to keep the
gene pool healthy rather than to a standard type.
For example, these are our non genebank ones:
http://gallery.vollans.co.uk/v/chickens/Blommehons/IMG_2149.JPG.html
These are the genebank ones:
http://gallery.vollans.co.uk/v/chickens/SLGB+Blommehons/New+Blommehons+SLGB+001.jpg.html
Quote: what a superb idea!
It is, it's good to try and do a little something. Hopefully in the spring
we can do a similar thing for some of the rare breed ducks and geese. We
especially fancy getting some of the Skånegås. Even more strange, there
is a breed of duck that is specific to our village - the Swedish Yellow
Duck which was thought to be extinct, but a family was found in Billinge a
few years back.
Quote: What a shame RBST don't copy other countries like this
Indeed.
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Stephen M Baines
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| Mary Fisher |
| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:01 pm |
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"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote: When you have time I would love to hear more about the genebank scheme --
what a superb idea!
What a shame RBST don't copy other countries like this
They do ...
Mary |
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| Jill |
| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:59 pm |
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote:
"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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When you have time I would love to hear more about the genebank scheme --
what a superb idea!
What a shame RBST don't copy other countries like this
They do ...
Not with poultry and there is too much concentration on "standard", too
little on good genes or old fashioned [working] qualities.
There are individuals who are doing a great job -- but RBST policy and
beginners advice is not as good as some of these other countries schemes
Jill |
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| Amy Blankenship |
| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:54 pm |
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What's an RBST?
"Jill" <mail@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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When you have time I would love to hear more about the genebank
scheme -- what a superb idea!
What a shame RBST don't copy other countries like this
They do ...
Not with poultry and there is too much concentration on "standard", too
little on good genes or old fashioned [working] qualities.
There are individuals who are doing a great job -- but RBST policy and
beginners advice is not as good as some of these other countries schemes
Jill
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| Mary Fisher |
| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:54 pm |
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"Jill" <mail@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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When you have time I would love to hear more about the genebank
scheme -- what a superb idea!
What a shame RBST don't copy other countries like this
They do ...
Not with poultry and there is too much concentration on "standard", too
little on good genes or old fashioned [working] qualities.
I disagree about the good and old fashioned genes in respect of non-poultry
animals. Poultry represents a very controversial matter in terms of 'rare
breeds'.
Mary
who is spending far too much time in the smallest room reading about fairies
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| Mary Fisher |
| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:56 pm |
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"Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote in message
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Rare Breeds Survival Trust.
We have done a great job in 'saving' old and rare breeds of horses, cattle,
sheep, goats and pigs. Not poultry because no-one can agree on what a
definition of a rare breed is in poultry terms :-)
Mary
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| a_l_p |
| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:09 pm |
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Jill wrote:
Quote: "Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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When you have time I would love to hear more about the genebank scheme --
what a superb idea!
What a shame RBST don't copy other countries like this
They do ...
Not with poultry and there is too much concentration on "standard", too
little on good genes or old fashioned [working] qualities.
Tell me about it! The cat and dog show standards are even more horrendous.
When I flip out completely with an AK47 & start mowing down breeders you'll know
why!
(Anyone got a spare AK47 going cheap?)
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| Jill |
| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:00 pm |
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote in message
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What's an RBST?
Rare Breeds Survival Trust.
We have done a great job in 'saving' old and rare breeds of horses,
cattle, sheep, goats and pigs. Not poultry because no-one can agree on
what a definition of a rare breed is in poultry terms 
Many of the cattle; sheep, goat, pig and horse breeders who want to have
their stock for work - however they classify the ability to perform - wool,
meat, hide, pulling, carrying, milk, etc - will and do disagree.
There are great breeders who are members of RBST and there are even more who
have been but are completely disillusioned with the the aims and politics. I
believe its back on the right road but there is a long way to go.
Some of the genetics that has been "saved" by RBST themselves are poor -
and some of the centres that carry their approbation do very little in the
way of breeding or education of worth. I have seen photos of Jacob sires in
a couple of breeding flocks, for instance, which were awful representatives
of the breed. Another pal who is into cattle was appalled to find a
particular rare breed mini herd of cows [ I forget which breed ] in calf to
a Simi by AI [it is perfectly possible to get the rare breed by AI - she
has] she was gibbering with rage when she phoned me. Such a waste of money,
genetics and resrouces.
Some of the RBST breeders do not consider that the meat and / or wool
qualities of their sheep are important.
Within all breeds there is support for breeding for numbers whatever the
quality. There is almost no coordination. When beginners contact some
officials the complete twaddle they are told astonishes me every time I hear
about.it.
I wish I had the time and resources to make proper notes of what I am told
each year.
I wish our society was anywhere near the quality of the likes of that of
Germany and the US and a few other parts of Europe. I really pains me to say
that.
Stephen's comaprison to the RHS is very interesting -- I wish I had thought
about the correlation myself before -
I would also really like to see something close to the NPIP scheme here
I also really wish I had more time to do more about it. I know I meet a lot
of others each year who wish the same. I know a few who have tried and had
their efforts stymied.
There are really great breeders amonst the membership but the movement as a
whole in this country could learn a GREAT deal from taking on board ideas
and concepts from other countries.
Deciding what breeds are or are not rare is much less important than having
no concept about what constitutes good selection practises and monitoring
schemes
The rarity of the usefulnes of the strains within the breeds would show up
very quickly with some decent recording
Jill |
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| Stephen Baines |
| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:48 am |
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:10:00 +0000, Jill wrote:
Quote: Stephen Baines wrote:
God Jul from Sweden!
I see you are in ! - how is it going?
It's going well. In some ways it was good that Nigel broke his leg just
before moving, as we would have made some horrid mistakes about what goes
where. A summer and autumn of seeing what happens in hot weather and in
the heavy rains has shown us a lot!
Quote: When you have time I would love to hear more about the genebank scheme --
Yeah, once the next couple of days are out of the way, I'll post
something in more detail.
The English version of the website for the genebank is
http://www.nordgen.org/ngh/english/
It's a good scheme to ensure that traditional breeds, not just of poultry
but also cattle, sheep and swine, have a chance to survive. In many ways
it's closer to the RHSs National Collections than anything else, where the
best examples of the breed are kept by enthusiasts and bred, who sell
"Genebank Registered" poultry to other enthusiasts, whilst ensuring their
own flock contains best examples and keeps the bloodlines healthy. Our
Genebank Skånsk Blommehöns have pretty much the full range of variations except for the lack of crested.
Our non-Genebank Skånsk Blommehöns have a fantastic crested cockerel but
may not really be pure so we can't contaminate the bloodlines. We're on
the lookout for a crested cockerel to possibly split the flock into two.
It's the wrong time of year to try at the moment.
The idea of breed in the genebank is somewhat different to what British
enthusiasts would recognise as a breed. The breed Skånsk Blommehöns, for
example, has crested and non crested birds, and colours all the way from
porcelain to almost jet black, but all the hens have distinctive "flowers"
on their plumage, and all are Skånsk Blommehöns. They breed to keep the
gene pool healthy rather than to a standard type.
For example, these are our non genebank ones:
http://gallery.vollans.co.uk/v/chickens/Blommehons/IMG_2149.JPG.html
These are the genebank ones:
http://gallery.vollans.co.uk/v/chickens/SLGB+Blommehons/New+Blommehons+SLGB+001.jpg.html
Quote: what a superb idea!
It is, it's good to try and do a little something. Hopefully in the spring
we can do a similar thing for some of the rare breed ducks and geese. We
especially fancy getting some of the Skånegås. Even more strange, there
is a breed of duck that is specific to our village - the Swedish Yellow
Duck which was thought to be extinct, but a family was found in Billinge a
few years back.
Quote: What a shame RBST don't copy other countries like this
Indeed.
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| Stephen Baines |
| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:15 am |
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:59:25 +0000, Jill wrote:
Quote: Not with poultry and there is too much concentration on "standard", too
little on good genes or old fashioned [working] qualities.
That, thankfully, is the policy here - get a healthy gene pool and keep
the diversity and health of the breed.
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Stephen M Baines
http://www.alledal.nu |
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