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Inger E Johansson
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 1:33 am
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In 1930 Royal Ontario Museum, as it's name was back then, payed 500 USD
after European Scholars examined and declare the artifacts genuine. The
artifacts was found in a viking-grave by James Edvard Dodd. Affadevits of
persons present at the finding as well as an receipt from the Museum still
exists. I know that a larger area was to be excavated according to a note
from Spring 1939. Then came the war. Does anyone have an excavation reports
dated after 1939?

Inger E
Elizabeth Mullaney
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:33 am
Guest
Inger E Johansson wrote:

Quote:
In 1930 Royal Ontario Museum, as it's name was back then, payed 500 USD
after European Scholars examined and declare the artifacts genuine. The
artifacts was found in a viking-grave by James Edvard Dodd. Affadevits of
persons present at the finding as well as an receipt from the Museum still
exists. I know that a larger area was to be excavated according to a note
from Spring 1939. Then came the war. Does anyone have an excavation reports
dated after 1939?

The Royal Ontario Museum, as it is still called, is one of the world's premier
museums. I am a fan, having been born and brought up in Toronto, and enjoyed
many Sundays all the more for being allowed to prowl about there. The ROM's
website is: http://www.rom.on.ca/. I know the staff are very helpful and
accessible, and I am sure they would be happy to help you with your inquiry
directly.

I did also find this on searching James Edward Dodd:

[Although somewhat contentious there is some fascinating information about
Europeans being in Ontario much earlier than many history books now describe.
On May 24,1934, James Edward Dodd, a mining prospector, was blasting in the
Great Lakes region of Ontario and his dynamite uncovered a sword and a shield.
These artefacts were taken to the Royal Ontario Museum and they were accurately
dated to about 1025 A.D. This Norse sword and shield were re-evaluated in 1961
because it did not fit the customary history. Although they believe the dating
was accurate the conclusion was drawn it "was not possible to authenticate the
story of the alleged discovery." ]

This is a quote from the Bruce County Genealogical Society webpage at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~onbcgs/bcgshist.htm

Elizabeth Mullaney
Inger E Johansson
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:28 pm
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"Elizabeth Mullaney" <e.mullaney@ucalgary.ca> skrev i meddelandet
news:4034E55F.F3C500@ucalgary.ca...
Quote:
Inger E Johansson wrote:

In 1930 Royal Ontario Museum, as it's name was back then, payed 500 USD
after European Scholars examined and declare the artifacts genuine. The
artifacts was found in a viking-grave by James Edvard Dodd. Affadevits
of
persons present at the finding as well as an receipt from the Museum
still
exists. I know that a larger area was to be excavated according to a
note
from Spring 1939. Then came the war. Does anyone have an excavation
reports
dated after 1939?

The Royal Ontario Museum, as it is still called, is one of the world's
premier
museums. I am a fan, having been born and brought up in Toronto, and
enjoyed
many Sundays all the more for being allowed to prowl about there. The
ROM's
website is: http://www.rom.on.ca/. I know the staff are very helpful and
accessible, and I am sure they would be happy to help you with your
inquiry
directly.

I know that too. They have been helping friends of mine in this question.
Quote:

I did also find this on searching James Edward Dodd:

[Although somewhat contentious there is some fascinating information about
Europeans being in Ontario much earlier than many history books now
describe.
On May 24,1934, James Edward Dodd, a mining prospector, was blasting in
the
Great Lakes region of Ontario and his dynamite uncovered a sword and a
shield.
These artefacts were taken to the Royal Ontario Museum and they were
accurately
dated to about 1025 A.D. This Norse sword and shield were re-evaluated in
1961
because it did not fit the customary history. Although they believe the
dating
was accurate the conclusion was drawn it "was not possible to authenticate
the
story of the alleged discovery." ]

Actually this is one of the few graves from Viking Age in NA we might be
able to put an name on the person who was put to rest there. I haven't been
able to have the name put on the LaVerendrye's runestone confirmed. I have
today heard a suggestion that the notes still exists which the monks in
Ontario who studied the runestone before it was sent to Paris wrote. I have
had a suggested name and I who can't be said to valuate the Icelandic Sagas,
the Norwegian Kings sagas and the kvädes well must say that person suggested
fits into the picture after I have done a quick look in the text where this
is mentioned.

But the most important thing is an other thing to which I will return in
part 3.

Inger E

Quote:

This is a quote from the Bruce County Genealogical Society webpage at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~onbcgs/bcgshist.htm

Elizabeth Mullaney
Elizabeth Mullaney
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:25 pm
Guest
Inger E Johansson wrote:

Quote:
"Elizabeth Mullaney" <e.mullaney@ucalgary.ca> skrev i meddelandet
The Royal Ontario Museum, as it is still called, is one of the world's
premier
museums. I am a fan, having been born and brought up in Toronto, and
enjoyed
many Sundays all the more for being allowed to prowl about there. The
ROM's
website is: http://www.rom.on.ca/. I know the staff are very helpful and
accessible, and I am sure they would be happy to help you with your
inquiry
directly.

I know that too. They have been helping friends of mine in this question.

That is the best place for them to find out about the hoax surrounding these
objects. It was certainly widely acknowledged (quietly) amongst ROM staff in 70s
and 80s that the Beardmore objects, however authentic they might be, were
involved a part of a prank of Dodd's. Edward Carpenter's article on Norse
Pennies also refers to this; the article can be found at:
faculty.virginia.edu/phantom/norsepenny.pdf

Quote:
Actually this is one of the few graves from Viking Age in NA we might be
able to put an name on the person who was put to rest there. I haven't been
able to have the name put on the LaVerendrye's runestone confirmed. I have
today heard a suggestion that the notes still exists which the monks in
Ontario who studied the runestone before it was sent to Paris wrote. I have
had a suggested name and I who can't be said to valuate the Icelandic Sagas,
the Norwegian Kings sagas and the kvädes well must say that person suggested
fits into the picture after I have done a quick look in the text where this
is mentioned.

But the most important thing is an other thing to which I will return in
part 3.

Umm, are there 'graves from Viking Age in NA' extant? I have been interested in
this area for some time, and I am not aware of them; I would be fascinated to
know more. As far as I know, Dodd did not claim to have found a burial so much
as his blasting uncovered the objects, and it is one heck of a back of beyond
place for the Norse to have reached. It's not really on any obvious water route
to anywhere; Beardmore is near Lake Nippissing, but that's about it. even in
these days, northern Ontario is pretty bleak and harsh to travel in. (I have
been following discussions in the group for a long time, and I just wanted to
speak to this as I was familiar with it.)

Elizabeth Mullaney
ELurio
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:13 am
Guest
The Beardmore artifacts are completely genuine. They were purchased in Norway
in the 1900s and imported by the owner.

Following this they were stolen and then sold to the ROM. This is all
well-known history and the lawsuit is part of the public record.

They are not proof of anything and the tale of their "discovery" was a hoax.

eric l.
Inger E Johansson
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:28 am
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"ELurio" <elurio@aol.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:20040221101327.26340.00000121@mb-m20.aol.com...
Quote:
The Beardmore artifacts are completely genuine. They were purchased in
Norway
in the 1900s and imported by the owner.

NO my dear rumor-spreader they weren't.
Quote:

Following this they were stolen and then sold to the ROM. This is all
well-known history and the lawsuit is part of the public record.

Stop pretending you know where they are - because you don't. They were found
in the grave it was placed in 11th century. Had you had better knowledge of
the less known sources written before 1300 you would have known why that's
obvious. They were found with witness. Furter more they are still in Ontario
at the Museum who bought them after checking them.

You know absolutely nothing what so ever about genuine Scandinavian
artifacts so stop pretending otherwise. Have you ever worked at a Museum and
listed artifacts into a diarium? In Scandinavia?
Quote:

They are not proof of anything and the tale of their "discovery" was a
hoax.


No they certainly aren't a hoax. Neither are the mounds found in areas
around, nor are 1535 documented yearly trade which had been going on for
centuries with furs sold to Europeans(read Norse and Danes) living up in
Dania Nova. Nor is the other French documents which deals with the area a
hoax. Oh btw for those who wants to know. Upstreams to Hudson Bay it took
the Indian tribe who sold the furs 20 days before they reach the outlet to
James Bay.

Inger E

Inger E >
> eric l.
Horace LaBadie
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 6:19 pm
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In article <rGLZb.49819$mU6.197808@newsb.telia.net>, Inger E Johansson
<inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote:

Quote:
"ELurio" <elurio@aol.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:20040221101327.26340.00000121@mb-m20.aol.com...
The Beardmore artifacts are completely genuine. They were purchased in
Norway
in the 1900s and imported by the owner.

NO my dear rumor-spreader they weren't.

Following this they were stolen and then sold to the ROM. This is all
well-known history and the lawsuit is part of the public record.

Stop pretending you know where they are - because you don't. They were found
in the grave it was placed in 11th century. Had you had better knowledge of
the less known sources written before 1300 you would have known why that's
obvious. They were found with witness. Furter more they are still in Ontario
at the Museum who bought them after checking them.

You know absolutely nothing what so ever about genuine Scandinavian
artifacts so stop pretending otherwise. Have you ever worked at a Museum and
listed artifacts into a diarium? In Scandinavia?

They are not proof of anything and the tale of their "discovery" was a
hoax.

No they certainly aren't a hoax. Neither are the mounds found in areas
around, nor are 1535 documented yearly trade which had been going on for
centuries with furs sold to Europeans(read Norse and Danes) living up in
Dania Nova. Nor is the other French documents which deals with the area a
hoax. Oh btw for those who wants to know. Upstreams to Hudson Bay it took
the Indian tribe who sold the furs 20 days before they reach the outlet to
James Bay.

Inger E

Inger E
eric l.


There is a sort of horrible fascination in reading that post, rather
like watching Kirk Jones going head first over Niagara Falls.


HWL
 
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