The team has studied evidence from tree rings which suggests the
Earth underwent a series of very cold summers around 536-540AD,
indicating an effect similar to a "nuclear winter".


There is much more on each site.

And 'no', it wasn't a volcano. The evidence pointing particularly to a
volcano is conspicuously missing.

"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ovh220d1sbknhvj3k42ds4h8plmnum2gd5@4ax.com...
The team has studied evidence from tree rings which suggests the
Earth underwent a series of very cold summers around 536-540AD,
indicating an effect similar to a "nuclear winter".


There is much more on each site.

And 'no', it wasn't a volcano. The evidence pointing particularly to a
volcano is conspicuously missing.

On the other hand, the Roman Empire conspicuously continued to exist for
another 900 years (till 1453 or, if you prefer, 1461), so obviously the
effect you adduce is being overstated.

Jean Coeur de Lapin

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"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ovh220d1sbknhvj3k42ds4h8plmnum2gd5@4ax.com...
The team has studied evidence from tree rings which suggests the
Earth underwent a series of very cold summers around 536-540AD,
indicating an effect similar to a "nuclear winter".

There is much more on each site.

And 'no', it wasn't a volcano. The evidence pointing particularly to
a volcano is conspicuously missing.

On the other hand, the Roman Empire conspicuously continued to exist
for another 900 years (till 1453 or, if you prefer, 1461), so obviously
the effect you adduce is being overstated.

alternatively it fell in the west in the 5th century before the comet.

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:33:30 +0000, Jim Webster wrote:


"A Tsar Is Born" <AtsarisbornNoSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ovh220d1sbknhvj3k42ds4h8plmnum2gd5@4ax.com...
The team has studied evidence from tree rings which suggests the
Earth underwent a series of very cold summers around 536-540AD,
indicating an effect similar to a "nuclear winter".

There is much more on each site.

And 'no', it wasn't a volcano. The evidence pointing particularly to
a volcano is conspicuously missing.

On the other hand, the Roman Empire conspicuously continued to exist
for another 900 years (till 1453 or, if you prefer, 1461), so obviously
the effect you adduce is being overstated.

alternatively it fell in the west in the 5th century before the comet.

And the east was actually on the upswing during the "nuclear winter".

This theory suffers the same defect the volcano theory suffered: it
"explains" something that didn't actually happen.

MIke Baillie's theories as expressed in 'Exodus to Arthur' have been
looked at askance by many but Derek Ward Thompson of Cardiff
University has now added support. See


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3547472&thesection=news&t

" A collision between Earth and a passing comet in the 6th century
AD may have caused the collapse of agriculture, mass famine and,
indirectly, the emergence of bubonic plague in Europe. "


http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2490198

"A "nuclear winter" which plunged people into starvation some
1,500 years ago was caused by a comet colliding with Earth,
scientists at a university believe.

Astronomers at Cardiff University claim they have unravelled the
secrets of a 6th century comet, which caused crop failures,
widespread starvation and summer frosts.

The team has studied evidence from tree rings which suggests the
Earth underwent a series of very cold summers around 536-540AD,
indicating an effect similar to a "nuclear winter".


There is much more on each site.

And 'no', it wasn't a volcano. The evidence pointing particularly to a
volcano is conspicuously missing.

Eric Stevens

"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ovh220d1sbknhvj3k42ds4h8plmnum2gd5@4ax.com...
The team has studied evidence from tree rings which suggests the
Earth underwent a series of very cold summers around 536-540AD,
indicating an effect similar to a "nuclear winter".


There is much more on each site.

And 'no', it wasn't a volcano. The evidence pointing particularly to a
volcano is conspicuously missing.

On the other hand, the Roman Empire conspicuously continued to exist for
another 900 years (till 1453 or, if you prefer, 1461), so obviously the
effect you adduce is being overstated.

Jean Coeur de Lapin

"A Tsar Is Born" <AtsarisbornNoSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2jHUb.18845$KV5.5039@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ovh220d1sbknhvj3k42ds4h8plmnum2gd5@4ax.com...
The team has studied evidence from tree rings which suggests the
Earth underwent a series of very cold summers around 536-540AD,
indicating an effect similar to a "nuclear winter".


There is much more on each site.

And 'no', it wasn't a volcano. The evidence pointing particularly to a
volcano is conspicuously missing.

On the other hand, the Roman Empire conspicuously continued to exist for
another 900 years (till 1453 or, if you prefer, 1461), so obviously the
effect you adduce is being overstated.

Jean Coeur de Lapin

And through this period of literacy throughout both eastern and
western cultures no-one bothered to record this 'event' ??

And there weren't volcanoes and volcanic action in 500-600 ad ???

On 6 Feb 2004 13:15:59 -0800, gblack@hnpl.net (George) wrote:

And through this period of literacy throughout both eastern and
western cultures no-one bothered to record this 'event' ??

See Mike Baillie's 'Exodus to Arthur'. He believes there is evidence
the church records have been edited.

"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
news:a0v820h8sbcmle10fpe069trf4nh84m021@4ax.com...
On 6 Feb 2004 13:15:59 -0800, gblack@hnpl.net (George) wrote:

And through this period of literacy throughout both eastern and
western cultures no-one bothered to record this 'event' ??

See Mike Baillie's 'Exodus to Arthur'. He believes there is evidence
the church records have been edited.

As a general rule, theories that depend on organised cover-ups should always
be treated with more care than those that don't )

One problem with the cometary theory is that we have a casual agent (the
comet) which we cannot prove, causing an effect that we don't necessarily
need to explain the situation on the ground.
While using negative evidence is always suspect (lack of evidence is not
evidence of lack) Given the astronomical records we do have, lack of
sightings of a comet is surprising.

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 07:21:12 -0000, "Jim Webster"
Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote:


"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
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On 6 Feb 2004 13:15:59 -0800, gblack@hnpl.net (George) wrote:

And through this period of literacy throughout both eastern and
western cultures no-one bothered to record this 'event' ??

See Mike Baillie's 'Exodus to Arthur'. He believes there is evidence
the church records have been edited.

As a general rule, theories that depend on organised cover-ups should
always
be treated with more care than those that don't )

The theory doesn't depend on an organised cover up. Nevertheless Mike
Baillie has suggested there was one and gives reasons why. he cites
the evidence that is missing

One problem with the cometary theory is that we have a casual agent (the
comet) which we cannot prove, causing an effect that we don't necessarily
need to explain the situation on the ground.
While using negative evidence is always suspect (lack of evidence is not
evidence of lack) Given the astronomical records we do have, lack of
sightings of a comet is surprising.

There were sightings of a comet and other celestial phenomena. Its
just that the official church writings of the time say almost nothing
about them. Quite mysteriously they stop saying much about anything
for that period.

Eric Stevens

"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
news:18ma20h7p22v33v8kq0kibnogqogmdp77o@4ax.com...
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 07:21:12 -0000, "Jim Webster"
Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote:


"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
news:a0v820h8sbcmle10fpe069trf4nh84m021@4ax.com...
On 6 Feb 2004 13:15:59 -0800, gblack@hnpl.net (George) wrote:

And through this period of literacy throughout both eastern and
western cultures no-one bothered to record this 'event' ??

See Mike Baillie's 'Exodus to Arthur'. He believes there is evidence
the church records have been edited.

As a general rule, theories that depend on organised cover-ups should
always
be treated with more care than those that don't )

The theory doesn't depend on an organised cover up. Nevertheless Mike
Baillie has suggested there was one and gives reasons why. he cites
the evidence that is missing :-)

As an aside, I never fail to be amazed at the efficiency of our ancestors
who could organise 100% efficient cover ups of just about everything. We
are
indeed a fallen people.


One problem with the cometary theory is that we have a casual agent
(the
comet) which we cannot prove, causing an effect that we don't
necessarily
need to explain the situation on the ground.
While using negative evidence is always suspect (lack of evidence is
not
evidence of lack) Given the astronomical records we do have, lack of
sightings of a comet is surprising.

There were sightings of a comet and other celestial phenomena. Its
just that the official church writings of the time say almost nothing
about them. Quite mysteriously they stop saying much about anything
for that period.

mystery piles upon mystery.


I know that the story, in one form or another, has been around for a few
years.
Jim Webster

Eric Stevens

"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
news:a0v820h8sbcmle10fpe069trf4nh84m021@4ax.com...
On 6 Feb 2004 13:15:59 -0800, gblack@hnpl.net (George) wrote:

And through this period of literacy throughout both eastern and
western cultures no-one bothered to record this 'event' ??

See Mike Baillie's 'Exodus to Arthur'. He believes there is evidence
the church records have been edited.

As a general rule, theories that depend on organised cover-ups should always
be treated with more care than those that don't )

One problem with the cometary theory is that we have a casual agent (the
comet) which we cannot prove, causing an effect that we don't necessarily
need to explain the situation on the ground.
While using negative evidence is always suspect (lack of evidence is not
evidence of lack) Given the astronomical records we do have, lack of
sightings of a comet is surprising.

"Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message news:<c024dv$1sc$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
news:a0v820h8sbcmle10fpe069trf4nh84m021@4ax.com...
On 6 Feb 2004 13:15:59 -0800, gblack@hnpl.net (George) wrote:

And through this period of literacy throughout both eastern and
western cultures no-one bothered to record this 'event' ??

See Mike Baillie's 'Exodus to Arthur'. He believes there is evidence
the church records have been edited.

As a general rule, theories that depend on organised cover-ups should always
be treated with more care than those that don't )

One problem with the cometary theory is that we have a casual agent (the
comet) which we cannot prove, causing an effect that we don't necessarily
need to explain the situation on the ground.
While using negative evidence is always suspect (lack of evidence is not
evidence of lack) Given the astronomical records we do have, lack of
sightings of a comet is surprising.

Especially as the Chinese recorded everything seen and, were there an
actual strike by 'comet', it would have left signs that would be
observable today....

"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
news:18ma20h7p22v33v8kq0kibnogqogmdp77o@4ax.com...
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 07:21:12 -0000, "Jim Webster"
Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote:


"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
news:a0v820h8sbcmle10fpe069trf4nh84m021@4ax.com...
On 6 Feb 2004 13:15:59 -0800, gblack@hnpl.net (George) wrote:

And through this period of literacy throughout both eastern and
western cultures no-one bothered to record this 'event' ??

See Mike Baillie's 'Exodus to Arthur'. He believes there is evidence
the church records have been edited.

As a general rule, theories that depend on organised cover-ups should
always
be treated with more care than those that don't )

The theory doesn't depend on an organised cover up. Nevertheless Mike
Baillie has suggested there was one and gives reasons why. he cites
the evidence that is missing :-)

As an aside, I never fail to be amazed at the efficiency of our ancestors
who could organise 100% efficient cover ups of just about everything. We are
indeed a fallen people.

One problem with the cometary theory is that we have a casual agent (the
comet) which we cannot prove, causing an effect that we don't necessarily
need to explain the situation on the ground.
While using negative evidence is always suspect (lack of evidence is not
evidence of lack) Given the astronomical records we do have, lack of
sightings of a comet is surprising.

There were sightings of a comet and other celestial phenomena. Its
just that the official church writings of the time say almost nothing
about them. Quite mysteriously they stop saying much about anything
for that period.

mystery piles upon mystery.


I know that the story, in one form or another, has been around for a few
years.