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Romanise
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:23 am
 
Thread "Many Punjabi Surnames Don't Sound Indic" started as
Nirvana wrote: Thurs, Feb 26 2004 5:12 pm
[quote:fd2f147fde]I've got quite a few Punjabi Hindu and Sikh friends, and their
surnames do *NOT* sound Indic. For example: Bajwa, Arora, Dua,
Rehal, Dhillon, Gill, Dosanj, Cheema, Saini, and so on.
[/quote:fd2f147fde]
Largely from Kate Monk I have following surnames
Agroia
Ahluwalia
Ahuja
Arakoni
Arneja
Attariwala
Attwal
Atwal
Aujla
Aulakh
Ayer
Badal
Badyal
Bagha
Bahia
Balil
Balli
Banga
Bansal
Banwait
Barmi
Barn
Basra
Basrai
Bassi
Batra
Bawa
Baweja
Beasley
Beesla
Bhachu
Bhambra
Bhangu
Bhardwaj
Bhasin
Bhaura
Bhudraja
Bhuppal
Birdi
Bisla
Brar
Brara
Chadha
Chaha
Chahal
Chahall
Chahil
Chana
Chand
Chandha
Chattha
Chaudhary
Chawla
Cheema
Chhugani
Chima
Chopra
Daire
Dale
Dalel
Dambria
Das
Dass
Denhoy
Dhami
Dhamija
Dhanoa
Dhariwal
Dhudwal
Dindral
Doabia
Gandhi
Garcha
Ghag
Ghai
Ghuman
Girgla
Gogia
Grewal
Gugral
Gupta
Gurai
Heer
Hira
Hora
Hothi
Hundal
Jaggi
Jagur
Jammu
Janda
Japra
Jethani
Jhuti
Johal
Johar
Johl
Judge
Kaal
Kahlon
Kaila
Kalra
Kals
Kang
Kapani
Kasal
Kattaura
Khahera
Khaira
Khalsa
Khangura
Khatri
Khatter
Khattri
Kler
Kohli
Kooner
Lalli
Lally
Laungani
Lell
Loey
Mahal
Mahmi
Malhan
Malhi
Mann
Mansukhani
Maroke
Matharu
Mattu
Maude
Mundra
Nagra
Nahal
Narindra
Nijjar
Pabley
Padda
Pannu
Panu
Patiala
Pind
Prewal
Ragi
Rahul
Raj
Ram
Rama
Randhawa
Rani
Rao
Rattu
Reel
Rekhi
Sabdhu
Sabharwal
Sachdev
Sachdeva
Sambhi
Samra
Samran
Sandhar
Sandhu
Sanghera
Sarkaria
Sawhney
Sekhon
Shahraj
Shergill
Siddhu
Sihota
Sikand
Sodhi
Sohota
Sokhey
Sra
Sran
Sudan
Sukhija
Sull
Sutantar
Takhar
Takkar
Talib
Thakkar
Thakkur
Thiara
Thind
Tind
Tjiinder
Toor
Tur
Uppal
Virdee
Virk
Wahlia
Walia
Waraich
Warwaha

Everybody is welcome to add, comment, etc
 
Guest
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:53 am
 
Most of the Arora surnames will end with "JA" like Taneja, Dhaneja,
Aneja, Dhamija.

Romanise wrote:
[quote:952c60f8c7]Thread "Many Punjabi Surnames Don't Sound Indic" started as
Nirvana wrote: Thurs, Feb 26 2004 5:12 pm
I've got quite a few Punjabi Hindu and Sikh friends, and their
surnames do *NOT* sound Indic. For example: Bajwa, Arora, Dua,
Rehal, Dhillon, Gill, Dosanj, Cheema, Saini, and so on.

Largely from Kate Monk I have following surnames
Agroia
Ahluwalia
Ahuja
Arakoni
Arneja
Attariwala
Attwal
Atwal
Aujla
Aulakh
Ayer
Badal
Badyal
Bagha
Bahia
Balil
Balli
Banga
Bansal
Banwait
Barmi
Barn
Basra
Basrai
Bassi
Batra
Bawa
Baweja
Beasley
Beesla
Bhachu
Bhambra
Bhangu
Bhardwaj
Bhasin
Bhaura
Bhudraja
Bhuppal
Birdi
Bisla
Brar
Brara
Chadha
Chaha
Chahal
Chahall
Chahil
Chana
Chand
Chandha
Chattha
Chaudhary
Chawla
Cheema
Chhugani
Chima
Chopra
Daire
Dale
Dalel
Dambria
Das
Dass
Denhoy
Dhami
Dhamija
Dhanoa
Dhariwal
Dhudwal
Dindral
Doabia
Gandhi
Garcha
Ghag
Ghai
Ghuman
Girgla
Gogia
Grewal
Gugral
Gupta
Gurai
Heer
Hira
Hora
Hothi
Hundal
Jaggi
Jagur
Jammu
Janda
Japra
Jethani
Jhuti
Johal
Johar
Johl
Judge
Kaal
Kahlon
Kaila
Kalra
Kals
Kang
Kapani
Kasal
Kattaura
Khahera
Khaira
Khalsa
Khangura
Khatri
Khatter
Khattri
Kler
Kohli
Kooner
Lalli
Lally
Laungani
Lell
Loey
Mahal
Mahmi
Malhan
Malhi
Mann
Mansukhani
Maroke
Matharu
Mattu
Maude
Mundra
Nagra
Nahal
Narindra
Nijjar
Pabley
Padda
Pannu
Panu
Patiala
Pind
Prewal
Ragi
Rahul
Raj
Ram
Rama
Randhawa
Rani
Rao
Rattu
Reel
Rekhi
Sabdhu
Sabharwal
Sachdev
Sachdeva
Sambhi
Samra
Samran
Sandhar
Sandhu
Sanghera
Sarkaria
Sawhney
Sekhon
Shahraj
Shergill
Siddhu
Sihota
Sikand
Sodhi
Sohota
Sokhey
Sra
Sran
Sudan
Sukhija
Sull
Sutantar
Takhar
Takkar
Talib
Thakkar
Thakkur
Thiara
Thind
Tind
Tjiinder
Toor
Tur
Uppal
Virdee
Virk
Wahlia
Walia
Waraich
Warwaha

Everybody is welcome to add, comment, etc[/quote:952c60f8c7]
 
Romanise
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:01 am
 
baani.t@rediffmail.com wrote:
[quote:33e0d331ba]Most of the Arora surnames will end with "JA" like Taneja, Dhaneja,
Aneja, Dhamija.
[/quote:33e0d331ba]
I have Arora in list of Hindu surnames, list containing over 2100 out
of which 400 I have identified as Dravidian/SouthIndian names ( I would
put them here for readers to comment).

In the list above with -ja there are following
Sukhija
Baweja
Dhamija
Bhudraja
Ahuja
Arneja

Thanks for Taneja, Dhaneja and Aneja
 
Ruud Harmsen
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:07 am
 
29 Mar 2006 23:23:14 -0800: "Romanise" <joshidm@gmail.com>: in
sci.lang:

[quote:0dcb545a65]Largely from Kate Monk I have following surnames
Agroia
[many many names]
Warwaha
[/quote:0dcb545a65]
And I always thought all Sikhs were called Singh. Poor little me. Live
and learn.
--
Ruud Harmsen - http://rudhar.com
 
Romanise
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:06 am
 
Ruud Harmsen wrote:
[quote:e782a0d30b]And I always thought all Sikhs were called Singh. Poor little me. Live
and learn.
[/quote:e782a0d30b]
Often those who just stick to 'Singh' as surname are hiding their
traditional lower status in Indian Society compared to those who use
one of many Sikh surnames. Of course many of these surnames are used
across Sikhs and Hindus and among Hindus of Punjab there has been a
tradition of making one of the sons a Sikh.
 
Guest
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:16 am
 
Arora is a subcaste of the khatri caste.Families can be using any of
the mentioned surnames. But their clan would be Arora.
Romanise wrote:
[quote:7d1b60d7ce]baani.t@rediffmail.com wrote:
Most of the Arora surnames will end with "JA" like Taneja, Dhaneja,
Aneja, Dhamija.

I have Arora in list of Hindu surnames, list containing over 2100 out
of which 400 I have identified as Dravidian/SouthIndian names ( I would
put them here for readers to comment).

In the list above with -ja there are following
Sukhija
Baweja
Dhamija
Bhudraja
Ahuja
Arneja

Thanks for Taneja, Dhaneja and Aneja[/quote:7d1b60d7ce]
 
Neeraj Mathur
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:16 am
 
"Romanise" <joshidm@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143723985.056379.119750@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[quote:b8e1dcd187]Ruud Harmsen wrote:
And I always thought all Sikhs were called Singh. Poor little me. Live
and learn.

Often those who just stick to 'Singh' as surname are hiding their
traditional lower status in Indian Society compared to those who use
one of many Sikh surnames. Of course many of these surnames are used
across Sikhs and Hindus and among Hindus of Punjab there has been a
tradition of making one of the sons a Sikh.
[/quote:b8e1dcd187]
Not necessarily 'lower' - one of the Sikh gurus (was it Arjan?) encouraged
the Sikhs to not use their caste-based designations as names, but to instead
use 'Singh' for all men, and 'Kaur' for all women. This was part of
Sikhism's attempt to create a society without caste - one of many failed
attempts over the years (Buddhism tried to get rid of caste, unsuccessfully
in India (meaning the Indian sub-continent), and famously even Muslim and
Christian communities in India developed caste along the same lines as the
Hindus).

There are lots of people who cover their caste, simply because they don't
want to broadcast it. This can happen not only because of an attempt to
cover a low caste, but also people who don't want to be broadcasting their
higher caste status (like Europeans who refuse to use inherited noble
titles) and people who simply disagree with caste and want to avoid anything
to do with it. Amongst North Indians, one of the most common ways of doing
this is to use something that was originally a middle name as a surname -
Kumar is one of the most common such names.

Neeraj Mathur
 
nin
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:58 pm
 
In Maharashtra, many of the dalits or 'low' castes have taken the
surnames of 'upper' caste Brahmins, like Aathavale, Kale. So it is not
easy to identify caste from the surname. It has, in a way, helped to
cover the caste.
 
Surinder Singh
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:15 am
 
Arora is not a sub-caste of Khatri; it is a separate caste.

s



<baani.t@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143724592.390357.262190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
[quote:e5371edba6]Arora is a subcaste of the khatri caste.Families can be using any of
the mentioned surnames. But their clan would be Arora.
Romanise wrote:
baani.t@rediffmail.com wrote:
Most of the Arora surnames will end with "JA" like Taneja, Dhaneja,
Aneja, Dhamija.

I have Arora in list of Hindu surnames, list containing over 2100 out
of which 400 I have identified as Dravidian/SouthIndian names ( I would
put them here for readers to comment).

In the list above with -ja there are following
Sukhija
Baweja
Dhamija
Bhudraja
Ahuja
Arneja

Thanks for Taneja, Dhaneja and Aneja
[/quote:e5371edba6]
 
Surinder Singh
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:23 am
 
"Romanise" <joshidm@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143723985.056379.119750@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

[quote:597be8f3a5]Often those who just stick to 'Singh' as surname are hiding their
traditional lower status in Indian Society compared to those who use
one of many Sikh surnames.
[/quote:597be8f3a5]
This is not true. Guru Gobind Singh asked Sikhs to to discard "caste" last
names and use Singh/Kaur. For a long time, this was the way Sikhs did.
Adding laste name has gained currency lately, as religion has lost some of
its attraction. I was reading the news about SGPC elected members and
could see that all of them have added last names. Another thing is that
many Sikhs add their village names, like "longowal" etc. Why I disagree
with this is that many so-called high "Caste" sikhs also discard their last
names. Many Sikhs who would otherwise be brahmins of the Punjab, or
Brahmins of Kashmir, as well as Kshatriyas do not use last names. They
certainly are higher up in the pecking order. Jatts of the Punjab are not
exactly high (of course Jatts will protest my statement), but are the most
likely to use their last names.

s
 
Guest
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:50 am
 
I never knew that Gandhi could be Punjabi / Sikh surnames.
 
Surinder Singh
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:36 pm
 
<southindianpride@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1144597825.284720.311960@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

[quote:9c20e38c48]I never knew that Gandhi could be Punjabi / Sikh surnames.
[/quote:9c20e38c48]
I know some Ghandi Sikhs. I think it is Khatri, Kshatriya, caste.

s
 
Guest
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:02 pm
 
Gandhi can never be a Sikh name.....At the time of partition, Gandhi
was a hated name in the Sikh/Punjabi Hindu community. And then 1984
 
karthika
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:28 pm
 
Gandhi is an Iranian name and no Indian name!

<gunjan.ghai@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144634532.274138.148340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[quote:c72f623d4f]Gandhi can never be a Sikh name.....At the time of partition, Gandhi
was a hated name in the Sikh/Punjabi Hindu community. And then 1984
[/quote:c72f623d4f]
 
Romanise
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:59 pm
 
:
[quote:fa8131854e]"Romanise" <joshidm@gmail.com> wrote in message
Often those who just stick to 'Singh' as surname are hiding their
traditional lower status in Indian Society compared to those who use
one of many Sikh surnames.

Surinder Singh wrote
This is not true. Guru Gobind Singh asked Sikhs to to discard "caste" last
names and use Singh/Kaur. For a long time, this was the way Sikhs did.
Adding laste name has gained currency lately, as religion has lost some of
its attraction. I was reading the news about SGPC elected members and
could see that all of them have added last names.
[/quote:fa8131854e]
If SGPC fellows are getting back to theirsurnames then religion losing
its attraction could notbe the reason for castenames surfacing again.

If Christianity nand Islam (at least on thev subcontinent) are not
immune to their caste, race bugs one wonders if Sikhs have freed
themselves from it.

Of course giving up and getting back to caste surnames is not unique to
Sikhs, even hindus of north have vpracticed it. Charan Singh,
Chandrasekhar and then Mulayam Singh Yadav, though only Mayavati and
Kanshiram.

In UK Kaurs are twice the number of Singhs and Alis are 3/4 number of
begums.


[quote:fa8131854e]Another thing is that
many Sikhs add their village names, like "longowal" etc. Why I disagree
with this is that many so-called high "Caste" sikhs also discard their last
names. Many Sikhs who would otherwise be brahmins of the Punjab, or
Brahmins of Kashmir, as well as Kshatriyas do not use last names. They
certainly are higher up in the pecking order. Jatts of the Punjab are not
exactly high (of course Jatts will protest my statement), but are the most
likely to use their last names.[/quote:fa8131854e]
 
 
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