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Posted at http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/ab0608a.txt
Continued...
Question 3: What would we do for affordable housing?
JCT: Har har har har. Of course, these questions were
already slated before their repetitious similarity had been
pointed out.
NDP Lynn Bowering thought it was a great question. Too many
people don't have access to good housing. The Liberals
cancelled a wonderful strategy they had developed in the
1990s and nothing for affordable housing since then. There
are long lists but "a wide range of housing options to be
pursued, affordable housing, co-op housing, however they
need a strategy that will make sure that some of those 1.2
million children have the ability to live in reasonable
housing, that seniors have the ability to live in good
housing. Thank you."
JCT: I did a direct quote of the her last statement because
it was such bafflegab you had to read it to believe it.
John Turmel: Hmmm. Okay. Affordable education. Affordable
child care. Affordable housing. Okay, education is pretty
good, it works, it's just the affordability that's bad.
Child care works, it's just the affordability that's flawed.
Housing's pretty good, it's just the affordability that's
flawed. And I only have a solution to the affordability. I
don't have a particular solution to the housing, I only know
how to come up with more money. Now, I know, I mean, two or
three people in the place are staying with me and I
understand. Jesus said: When it comes to interest, "they
will forever be hearing without hearing and seeing without
seeing or understanding." That's like saying: They're
thick. It's tough to break the conditioning that the
banksters have conditioned us with. That money is something
rare, it must always be tough to get, must pay interest to
get it. And to think that someone would lend you money
without interest, even if it's the Bank of Canada that
prints it, it shocks people: No one's going to lend me money
with no interest, he's s nut and I ain't listening no more.
So I appreciate how few people are staying with me on this
stuff. But the point is, the LETS systems are working around
the world, timetrading, Timedollars, LETS, creditos in
Argentina, Tauschrings in Germany, 60 different countries,
Japan, all sorts of people are setting up social currencies
for their communities, basing it on time, an hour of labor.
So when I went to Europe, 39 days out of 40, I paid with an
IOU for a night back in Canada worth 5 Hours. "Gee, hard to
understand a 5 Hour bill." It's an IOU worth a night back in
Canada. I had people take it all over Europe. Why should I
go borrow money at a bank to pay them cash when he'll take
my IOU for a night back in Canada? Is that hard to
understand? Well, I just want you to note that at the end of
the night, when you walk out that door, that you will
remember virtually nothing of what the other candidates have
said because they don't really say much, and you may not
even remember much of what I said except: You can't pay the
interest because they never printed it. Jesus, Mohammed,
Nehemiah, Isaiah, they all bad-mouthed loan-sharking. I hate
loan-sharking too and I'll never understand why you debt
slaves keep laughing at me and not taking me seriously.
Adam King: The issue of affordable housing is one that the
Green Party would tackle by creating, re-creating, funding
networks for affordable housing.
JCT: What is this miracle "funding network" and why isn't
anyone else doing miracles of affordable housing with
funding networks too? The Party used to support interest-
free LETS and now Jim Harris has provided them with
something called "funding networks."
King: And our "comprehensive national anti-poverty strategy"
JCT: No kidding. We're supposed to trust them to come up
with a miracle anti-poverty strategy when they get in that
he can't tell us about now.
Lloyd cited a few places that benefited from what federal
government funding was available. "So the federal government
has played a significant role." He said the economy's pretty
good. Housing is a basic need so extra 135 million for a
homelessness program. Liberals already spend 2 billion
helping housing.
CHP John Wubs got into the CHP "building infrastructure"
programs: "and for all intents and purposes, the only thing
I agree with John on would be the interest-free loans.
JCT: Good, because their leader in 1996, Tristan Emmanuel,
joined me and three other candidates to sign the petition
for a National LETS with me. Wendy Priesnitz, Green Party;
Tristan Emmanuel, Christian Heritage Party, Ken Campbell and
Victor Knight, Independents. I mailed off the petitions to
Sheila Copps but she did not. Only Google Groups carries
those 1996 stories if you search for Turmel and Tristan.
It's just sad to think his influence has been counter-acted.
John Wubs: And other than that, I don't agree with the man.
But I take great offence in using my Lord in his quotes and
misquoting him.
JCT: Okay, them's fighting words. Expositor's editor David
Judd and reporter Michael-Allan Marion wrote I over-reacted:
Editor David Judd Jan 7 2006 editorial: "On Thursday, Turmel
had no business goading Christian Heritage Party candidate
John Wubs... The Christian Heritage candidate finally spoke
up, saying he was offended."
JCT: Judd wasn't even there. He got his hearsay from Marion
who had written:
"In the middle of the event, Turmel became disruptive when
Wubs said: I take offence at his quoting my Lord for his own
ends and deliberately misquoting him while he's doing it.
Turmel bounded to his feet, waved his arms and shouted that
the "quotations" were accurate on an Internet bible and
insulted Wubs' intelligence.
JCT: So, first, I didn't jump up. I only got up and did a
complete response when it was my turn. But yes, when he
called me a distortionist, I responded:
John Turmel: Wanna bet? I've got a hundred bucks that I did
not misquote him. You're wrong. I've bet a hundred bucks.
I've got a hundred bucks I'm not wrong.
Moderator: John
JCT: That was it. That's what Michael-Allan Marion found so
scare and offensive. What kind of a pansy gets so shocked at
"wanna bet?" You'd think he wanted to rush out to call the
cops for protection from such oratorical violence as "wanna
bet?"
John Wubs: I still think that the CHP's infrastructure
program which includes interest-free loans from the Bank of
Canada, provinces, municipalities, and Crown Corporations
for permanent infrastructure projects, can be used by
Brantford and other municipalities and other cities to
finance roads, bridges, water-works, water purification
systems, sewage treatment systems, et cetera, at the
municipality's discretion.
JCT: I loved it. Here was the only other guy making promises
he CAN keep because he's using the same funding source as
me. Exactly what I want too except people should be able to
have Bank of Canada accounts too.
John Wubs: Projects should be of a kind that will enhance
productivity, the local economy or municipal revenue. The
increased revenue from the increased economic activity will
allow the municipality to repay the loan and since it is
interest-free, there is no compounding effect to increase
this debt.
JCT: He's sure stealing my thunder. I approve.
John Wubs: In a few years, according to this program,
Brantford should be left with an infrastructure intact and
no debt.
Then Phearful Phil McColeman said housing is something that
he had a leadership role on in this province having served
as the Ontario Home-builder president in 1993. He agrees
that the worst off need help so they have a "hand-up model"
that he believes should work.
Moderator: Question 4: Will your party continue to use the
gasoline tax to provide affordable public transit?
Green Adam King noted transit has been neglected with a
great need for investment and infrastructure. Green Party
would provide tax incentives, (just like everyone else).
Need base funding in transit to make it affordable that
people can count on. Right now, it's not good enough. We
need to plan ahead. Need vision. Gas tax should continue.
Lloyd St.Amand took credit for the idea and yes, it would
continue. John Wubs said it was a provincial matter and it
just needs common sense. Phil McColeman offered 16% tax
credit for those who use transit worth over a G-note to his
daughter, $1,067.
JCT: Moderator Melodie Daboll now decided to stick in her
opinion where it didn't belong:
Moderator: John Turmel, I'd like to warn you that I too find
your quotations of scripture highly offensive.
John Turmel: Really? Well...
JCT: Before getting into my response, I have to presume that
the only part of the quotation they were unfamiliar with was
where Christ said people like them would remain brain-dense
because of interest. He actually said they'd remain brain
dead because: "To those who have abundance will more be
given and from those who have no abundance, even what they
have will be taken away." That's a differential equation (Bo
= Bi *exp(it)) (Balance Out = Balance In times interest
growth) which means that your over-abundant positive bank
balance grows and your under-abundant negative bank account
grows too more negative too. So I responded:
John Turmel: In Matthew chapter 13:10, it tells where Christ
was asked,
Why did he speak in parables so meanings they were masked?
It's all online, by the way.
"The reason for disguise of message," note the words he
said:
"It all comes down to interest, the theme affects the head.
To those who have abundance will be given even more,
From those without abundance will be taken from their
store."
Matthew 13:10, they said: Jesus, why do you speak in
parables so they don't understand?
Interrupter: Why not get on to the question?
John Turmel: I'm getting there. Look, I've explained how we
solve the unaffordability of the education. child care. I
explained how we'd use social currency to solve the
unaffordability of the public housing and now I'm going to
explain, with social currency, how we solve the
unaffordability of public transit. But first, I'm going to
correct the mistake when they said I'm wrong and if you want
to put your money where you mouth is, lady, I've got a C-
note and you've only got to put up one dollar.
JCT: I can hear people in the audience decrying my verbal
brutality to the lady who had so enjoyably put me down
earlier.
John Turmel: So my point is that: Anybody says I'm wrong,
put your money where your mouth is or shut up. It's called:
Put up or shut up. Understand? I'm right, so shut up and let
me finish. Now, the Bible, Jesus said you people aren't
going to understand interest
JCT: Much noise and consternation from the peanut gallery.
John Turmel: Hey, two people said I'm wrong and I just
raised them and they both backed down. So please, let
finish. It's the same solution...
NDP supporter rising to leave the room shouts: Goodbye.
John Turmel: Goodbye. I know I'm above you. Go get an
education, you need a tax credit, lady. Come back when
you've got an education and you can stay with me. So you
want to give me a hard time, I give it right back.
Green Adam King: Don't attack people.
John Turmel: Hey, kid, don't get involved. What do you think
they did to me? You didn't defend me. Was I right or wrong?
13:10, Matthew 13:10. The Bible Jesus said they'd be forever
hearing without hearing. So just keep out of it next time
unless you want to bet.
Lloyd St. Amand: She's the moderator and she can...
John Turmel: No she can't do that to me. How dare she! She
can tell me what, that because she doesn't get it? I have to
change my script? Wrong. Get used to it. This is not pansy
world where we listen to people who don't stay with me.
Phearful Phil: Excuse me but can I go call the police?
JCT: I guess he thought that would scare me and I'd ask him
not to call the cops on me. He guessed wrong.
John Turmel: Go call the police. Get out of here. Go call
the cops. Go. Go.
Phearful Phil: I will sir.
John Turmel: Yeah go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Moderator: May we move along?
John Turmel: Yes, let's move along.
John Wubs: We're losing half the people because of ignorance
here.
John Turmel: Well, you've just got to bet. You challenged me
and I said I'm right and you're wrong and then you don't
bet? And you won't apologize?
NDP Lynn Bowering: Mr. Turmel, you've had your turn.
John Turmel: I was cut off.
NDP Lynn Bowering: No you were not.
John Turmel: No?
NDP Lynn Bowering: And on behalf of all the other candidates
in here, ladies and gentlemen, I would like to apologize for
that you have been subjected to this.
John Turmel: I've got to take it, though.
NDP Lynn Bowering: Since this is a democracy...
John Turmel: Really...
NDP Lynn Bowering: I think we should continue. So I will try
and answer the question...
JCT: After a big round of applause, she said she's in favor
of increasing energy efficiency and other good things and
during this time, Phearful Phil came back and an officer
approached me and asked me to come with him since there had
been a complaint that I had been loud and insulting. I
explained that I had been the speaker at the time. That took
him aback. "I just speak a little loudly, that's all that
may have scared him. Really, I was the speaker. I'll try not
to talk so loud next time" and he went away. Har har har
har.
Moderator: Question 6: How to support more blind workers?
Green Adam King touted his miracle funding network. I
decided that I'd give them a taste of their own medicine. I
had noted all the empty phrases used by the others and I was
going to give them a complete dose of the same tripe. But
when it came my turn to answer, the moderator skipped me and
went straight to Lloyd. When he had finished and she tried
to go on, I cut her off.
Moderator: The next question is...
John Turmel: I agree with Lloyd that special needs are very
important and must be dealt with. And of course, people with
special needs have to play a role in the community. Families
with children with special needs require assistance and my
heart goes out to them. They should be helped. People who
are blind and visually impaired, they have come up with
incentives. Something needs to be done and I really want
that something be done for them. Thank you.
JCT: Har har har har. What empty rhetoric. Then two more
cops came in and Phil, since everything seemed to have
returned to normal, indicated that they shouldn't get
involved but that they should stick around in case.
Moderator: Question 7: What would you do to increasing the
number of health care workers?
JCT: All the other candidates held it very dear and were in
favor of increasing the number of health care workers. All
of them.
John Turmel: It would work the same way for nurses, for
police, for all civil servants. Let's say the civil servant
took 10% of their wages in tax credits instead of money. The
part they pay in taxes. So if you're paying 30% of your
salary in taxes, take 30% of it in City Dollars and then
only 70% of it in cash. That frees up more City Dollars in
the city's bank account so they can more police, or more
firemen or more nurses. So that if you were to replace part
of the salaries that they do not take out of their bank
account with social currency, you'd have more regular
currency to hire more people. Now, whether it be more
police, more firemen, more nurses, more of anything. If they
accept tax credits, social currency, that they can use to
pay their taxes with for a part of their salary, it frees up
more cash to hire more people. So, by the end of January,
you might see Chavez in Venezuela doing just that and
leading the way and then we can follow.
JCT: It's so easy and yet it goes in most ears and out the
others.
Moderator: Question 7: For the Tory. You've promised to cut
the GST by 1% but isn't this a greater tax break for the
rich because they have greater money to spend. Do you agree?
Phearful Phil: This is a tax that everyone benefits from.
John Turmel: (writing on the blackboard) "We are GST PST
off."
1% ain't enough. Actually, once the social currency
revolution hits, believe it or not, there's nothing as
stupid as keeping track of every transaction that you do,
every hamburger, every cookie you sell, so they can collect
tax on it. Someday, we're simply going to, at the end of the
year, ask you: What have you got? You tell them. They take
1%. Then you don't have to keep all the paperwork and all
the accounting. It's going to be nightmare for the
accountants and economists but it'll a wonderful life for
people who won't have to do all this book-keeping any more.
There are smarter ways of taxation than income tax and sales
tax which need all the bureaucracy and someday you're going
to have a chance to exist on an asset tax where the richest
man pays the most and the poorest man pays the least.
Moderator: Question 8: What would you do for apprenticeship
programs.
All the candidates agreed it's important and we need more.
John Turmel: Many corporations end up paying a lot of
interest in debt service to the banks because the loans from
the provincial banks, the Royal Bank, the TD, the Commerce,
they've got depositors who want interest. Now, if they could
open accounts at the Bank of Canada where they don't have
interest, that computer could issue Canadian dollars without
interest and those employers would have more money to hire
the now unaffordable apprentices. So the way to solve the
unaffordability of apprentices is, once again, to go back to
the Bank of Canada's computer, reprogram to issue its loans
without all interest to people. I'm an electrical engineer.
I can do it. You don't even have to understand how. You
don't know how a fridge works but it gives you cold. You
don't understand how a stove works but it gives you hot.
Well, you don't know how interest-free financing works but
it gives you interest-free loans.
Moderator: Closing statements:
John Turmel: Well, first the bad news. Canada's in a war,
we're following the American invaders, cleaning up. What are
we doing in Afghanistan? Right? Nobody says a word about it.
The whole election I haven't heard a word about the way.
JCT: Tape runs out. I must have finished on going to World
Social Forum to get Chavez to do his sociable currency
world-wide.
When it was over and I was leaving, I shouted out to the
police while pointing at Phearful Phil: he's the guy who
called you for nothing. Charge him with mischief.
So that's it. How Terrible Turmel wrecked the political
meeting.
Oh, and as for the disgruntled NDP couple who made a big
production of leaving, they had soon slinked back in for the
rest of the show.
So that's Turmel's "disgraceful performance" editor David
Judd was told about. I don't think it was all that bad but
then again, Sharon Brook said my performance caused her to
feel fear. Phearful Phil was frightened enough to call the
police. Maybe my words are scarier than I realize.
Har har har har. How easily the tremulous get scared.
Anyway, I sent a letter to the editor in response:
Letter to the Expositor Editor:
Email: opinion@theexpositor.com
I think your Saturday Jan 07 2006 editorial titled
"disgraceful performance" was a little uninformed for
someone who wasn't even there. I know Michael-Allan Marion
was upset that my picketing ruined his interview with Harper
at McColeman's headquaters earlier in the day but trusting
an upset, less-than-competent, reporter was a mistake.
The letter to the editor from Sharon Brooks saying Turmel
wrecked the meeting was another exaggeration.
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/ab0608a.txt is a transcript
of everything that was said during the confrontations which
I taped and I suggest you read what happened before you say
more to add to your error.
When the Christian Heritage candidate wanted to say I had
misquoted the Bible in stating that Jesus said that they
would "forever be hearing without hearing and seeing without
seeing or understanding" when it came to interest, all I did
was bet him $100 that I was right. That was not the horrible
assault upon him you described. "Wanna bet?" isn't all that
terrible. And when came my turn to speak, I pointed it out
was in Matthew 13:10.
I never called anyone an ignoramus, again showing that
Marion was all in a dither over nothing.
If the moderator insisted on giving us her opinion on what I
was saying, she was fair game for rebuttal too.
Now that you have access to the only precise truth
available, why don't you do your homework and then do your
report right.
John Turmel, Brantford |
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