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| Henry Spencer |
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In article <Xns968CB0E93C4BBdamonhalcyoncom@216.196.97.136>,
Damon Hill <damon16ONE@attbi.dotcomma> wrote:
[quote:be4ff1eb1c]The Arabs are really, really paranoid, aren't they?
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It's not specifically an Arab thing -- that whole region (which includes
non-Arab populations, e.g. the Iranians), with the possible exception of
Israel, is very big on conspiracy theories and similar paranioa.
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"Think outside the box -- the box isn't our friend." | Henry Spencer
-- George Herbert | henry@spsystems.net |
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| Damon Hill |
| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:03 pm |
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Scott Lowther <scottlowther@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote in
news:jenze.279$cg.229@news02.roc.ny:
[quote:a2663a2eba]Damon Hill wrote:
The Arabs are really, really paranoid, aren't they?
Well, they have this thing about meteorites...
[/quote:a2663a2eba]
Hmmm...they would. Good, let them worry.
--Damon |
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| Jim Logajan |
| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:29 am |
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henry@spsystems.net (Henry Spencer) wrote:
[quote:6ab891025d]In article <Xns968CB0E93C4BBdamonhalcyoncom@216.196.97.136>,
Damon Hill <damon16ONE@attbi.dotcomma> wrote:
The Arabs are really, really paranoid, aren't they?
It's not specifically an Arab thing -- that whole region (which includes
non-Arab populations, e.g. the Iranians), with the possible exception of
Israel, is very big on conspiracy theories and similar paranioa.
[/quote:6ab891025d]
The French, Russians, and Ottoman and _especially_ the British Empires had
nothing to do with creating that paranoia! Lies I say! It was all caused
by, um, er, that rock over there!
Sorry I can't elaborate just now, but I've found some new information that
connects who was on the grassy knoll and strange happenings in Area 51 that
explain the great plot to poison the population with flouridated water.... |
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| Greg D. Moore (Strider) |
| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:29 am |
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"Henry Spencer" <henry@spsystems.net> wrote in message
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[quote:d340654b3b]In article <Xns968CB0E93C4BBdamonhalcyoncom@216.196.97.136>,
Damon Hill <damon16ONE@attbi.dotcomma> wrote:
The Arabs are really, really paranoid, aren't they?
It's not specifically an Arab thing -- that whole region (which includes
non-Arab populations, e.g. the Iranians), with the possible exception of
Israel, is very big on conspiracy theories and similar paranioa.
[/quote:d340654b3b]
Which really is a shame since 1000 years ago it was the reverse.
[quote:d340654b3b]--
"Think outside the box -- the box isn't our friend." | Henry Spencer
-- George Herbert |
henry@spsystems.net[/quote:d340654b3b] |
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| Eric Chomko |
| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:50 am |
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Greg D. Moore \(Strider\) (mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com) wrote:
: "Henry Spencer" <henry@spsystems.net> wrote in message
: news:IJAI50.HDu@spsystems.net...
: > In article <Xns968CB0E93C4BBdamonhalcyoncom@216.196.97.136>,
: > Damon Hill <damon16ONE@attbi.dotcomma> wrote:
: > >The Arabs are really, really paranoid, aren't they?
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: > It's not specifically an Arab thing -- that whole region (which includes
: > non-Arab populations, e.g. the Iranians), with the possible exception of
: > Israel, is very big on conspiracy theories and similar paranioa.
: Which really is a shame since 1000 years ago it was the reverse.
Well with the connection of time to money by way of interest, Europe
simply past the Middle East in manners of banking.
Eric
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: > "Think outside the box -- the box isn't our friend." | Henry Spencer
: > -- George Herbert |
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| Henry Spencer |
| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:59 am |
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In article <Xns968CEF68240FEJamesLLugojcom@216.168.3.30>,
Jim Logajan <JamesL@Lugoj.com> wrote:
[quote:e497916334]It's not specifically an Arab thing -- that whole region (which includes
non-Arab populations, e.g. the Iranians), with the possible exception of
Israel, is very big on conspiracy theories and similar paranioa.
The French, Russians, and Ottoman and _especially_ the British Empires had
nothing to do with creating that paranoia! Lies I say! It was all caused
by, um, er, that rock over there!
[/quote:e497916334]
It goes back much farther than that. For a long time, that region and
those peoples were "the doormats of history", trampled every few decades
when some superpower with an agenda swept through and wrecked the place in
passing.
(Mohammed succeeded in unifying the area because he got religion at *just*
the right time, hitting a narrow launch window when the Byzantines and the
Persians -- the superpowers of the day -- were both exhausted after going
at each other for several decades, and hence stayed home for a while.)
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-- George Herbert | henry@spsystems.net |
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| Leonard C. Robinson |
| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:50 pm |
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Re the Arabian monomania about meteorites, Scott: IIRR, the Kaaba Stone is
said to have fallen to Earth from Heaven (Mohammed, according to the
orthodox Islamic authors, is said to have removed the idols from the Kaaba
in order to purify it per the Koran). And, according to the newsreels,
another rock hit Arabia during the Depression (ca. 1933 AD Gregorian
reckoning).
The speculative Newsgroups would have a good POD re that hit during this
current upheaval in Londinium (the British version of September 11, 2001).
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| Guest |
| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:07 pm |
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Maybe we can arrange for em to really get hit by a meteor. It'd be a
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| jonathan |
| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:05 pm |
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"Jim Logajan" <JamesL@Lugoj.com> wrote in message
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[quote:03b1187cac]henry@spsystems.net (Henry Spencer) wrote:
In article <Xns968CB0E93C4BBdamonhalcyoncom@216.196.97.136>,
Damon Hill <damon16ONE@attbi.dotcomma> wrote:
The Arabs are really, really paranoid, aren't they?
It's not specifically an Arab thing -- that whole region (which includes
non-Arab populations, e.g. the Iranians), with the possible exception of
Israel, is very big on conspiracy theories and similar paranioa.
The French, Russians, and Ottoman and _especially_ the British Empires had
nothing to do with creating that paranoia! Lies I say! It was all caused
by, um, er, that rock over there!
[/quote:03b1187cac]
Hmm, if we took all the bombs we've dropped over there
and stacked them end to end, I wonder how many times
they'd circle the earth~
I just love those silly 'to the moon' kind of statistics. I remember
reading that we were dropping ten tons ..a month.. on Iraq, and
that was only in the months leading up to the war, not during it!
Well...they got us with maybe a hundred pounds of plastic
explosives the other day, and look at our non-stop
'sky is falling' coverage.
So I can understand their paranoia.
It's just that our bombing strategy has changed since
Vietnam. Now we're 'bombing 'em back to....
.....civilization'.
And it seems to be working! Truth is certainly stranger
than fiction these days.
Jonathan
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[quote:03b1187cac]
Sorry I can't elaborate just now, but I've found some new information that
connects who was on the grassy knoll and strange happenings in Area 51 that
explain the great plot to poison the population with flouridated water....[/quote:03b1187cac] |
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| Pat Flannery |
| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:19 am |
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Leonard C. Robinson wrote:
the Kaaba Stone is
[quote:0bf3c1b8c7]the Kaaba Stone is said to have fallen to Earth from Heaven (Mohammed, according to the
orthodox Islamic authors, is said to have removed the idols from the Kaaba
in order to purify it per the Koran). And, according to the newsreels,
another rock hit Arabia during the Depression (ca. 1933 AD Gregorian
reckoning).
The speculative Newsgroups would have a good POD re that hit during this
current upheaval in Londinium (the British version of September 11, 2001).
I always wondered if the Kaaba stone and this event were related:[/quote:0bf3c1b8c7]
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/04/wmet04.xml&sSheet=/news/2001/11/04/ixhomef.html
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| Pat Flannery |
| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:23 am |
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Scott Lowther wrote:
[quote:6f01ff4831]Leonard C. Robinson wrote:
Re the Arabian monomania about meteorites, Scott: IIRR, the Kaaba
Stone is
said to have fallen to Earth from Heaven
Thank you, Captain Exposition.
[/quote:6f01ff4831]
Scott had better be careful that somebody doesn't drop a meteor on _him_
someday. :-)
Pat- The Good Warlock of the North |
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| Damon Hill |
| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:32 am |
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Pat Flannery <flanner@daktel.com> wrote in
news:11cur33pmo4u01f@corp.supernews.com:
[quote:19363b8aa1]
Leonard C. Robinson wrote:
the Kaaba Stone is
the Kaaba Stone is said to have fallen to Earth from Heaven
(Mohammed, according to the orthodox Islamic authors, is
said to have removed the idols from the Kaaba in order to
purify it per the Koran). And, according to the newsreels,
another rock hit Arabia during the Depression (ca. 1933 AD
Gregorian reckoning).
The speculative Newsgroups would have a good POD re that
hit during this current upheaval in Londinium (the British
version of September 11, 2001).
I always wondered if the Kaaba stone and this event were
related:
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/
2001/11/04/wmet04.xml&sSheet=/news/2001/11/04/ixhomef.ht
ml
[/quote:19363b8aa1]
Interesting, if that's really a meteor crater. Needs more
evidence to properly date it. I'd think anything that could
cause a crater of that diameter would have ended civilizations
outright, if not humanity. Then again, it might have been
a comet-like impactor as Tunguska is thought to have been.
Exploded at enough altitude so it didn't toss that much
dust into the atmosphere, but did push some land around?
We'll have to wait and see what comes of any investigations.
Was that string of impacts in South America ever dated?
--Damon |
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| George William Herbert |
| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:56 am |
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Pat Flannery <flanner@daktel.com> wrote:
[quote:dc82494f3d]Scott Lowther wrote:
Leonard C. Robinson wrote:
Re the Arabian monomania about meteorites, Scott: IIRR, the Kaaba
Stone is
said to have fallen to Earth from Heaven
Thank you, Captain Exposition.
Scott had better be careful that somebody doesn't drop a meteor on _him_
someday. 
[/quote:dc82494f3d]
There's got to be a treaty somewhere against abusing
celestial bodies that way.
-george william herbert
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| Hop David |
| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:03 pm |
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Damon Hill wrote:
[quote:7169add7c5]Pat Flannery <flanner@daktel.com> wrote in
news:11cur33pmo4u01f@corp.supernews.com:
Leonard C. Robinson wrote:
the Kaaba Stone is
the Kaaba Stone is said to have fallen to Earth from Heaven
(Mohammed, according to the orthodox Islamic authors, is
said to have removed the idols from the Kaaba in order to
purify it per the Koran). And, according to the newsreels,
another rock hit Arabia during the Depression (ca. 1933 AD
Gregorian reckoning).
The speculative Newsgroups would have a good POD re that
hit during this current upheaval in Londinium (the British
version of September 11, 2001).
I always wondered if the Kaaba stone and this event were
related:
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/
2001/11/04/wmet04.xml&sSheet=/news/2001/11/04/ixhomef.ht
ml
Interesting, if that's really a meteor crater. Needs more
evidence to properly date it. I'd think anything that could
cause a crater of that diameter would have ended civilizations
outright, if not humanity.
[/quote:7169add7c5]
The Chicxulub crater is much larger. Guestimates range from 90 miles to
110 miles in diameter. Recall the article Pat cites says the Iraq crater
is about 2 miles in diameter.
The Chicxulub crater is about 31400 square miles vs 12.6 square miles
for the Iraq crater. The Iraqi meteor was no dino-killer or human killer
for that matter.
Then again, it might have been
[quote:7169add7c5]a comet-like impactor as Tunguska is thought to have been.
Exploded at enough altitude so it didn't toss that much
dust into the atmosphere, but did push some land around?
We'll have to wait and see what comes of any investigations.
Was that string of impacts in South America ever dated?
--Damon
[/quote:7169add7c5]
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Hop David
http://clowder.net/hop/index.html |
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| Hop David |
| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:21 pm |
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Pat Flannery wrote:
[quote:23c927c190]
Damon Hill wrote:
We'll have to wait and see what comes of any investigations.
Was that string of impacts in South America ever dated?
Well, the whole impact scenario is now getting re-examined:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/05/0509_020509_glassmeteorite.html
What makes the Iraq impact interesting is that something that sounds
very much like a meteorite impact shows up in The Book Of Revelations in
the Bible- Chapter 8:
(snip what sounds like a description of a big meteorite impact from the[/quote:23c927c190]
Bible)
University of Arizona planetary scientist John S. Lewis has made a
similar observation. (See his book _Rain of Iron and Ice_)
He notes that, until recently, more educated, "knowledgeable" people
didn't believe rocks could fall from the sky. So any eyewitness accounts
of meteorites would've been categorized as myths or tall tales.
Lewis has searched scripture and mythology and found stuff that sounds
like impact descriptions. I buy his argument that at least some of these
stories are based on events that actually happened.
Although as I understand it, Revelation is supposed to be visions of
what is to come rather than things John saw on earth in his time. So it
seems unlikely John was giving an account of a meteorite impact.
--
Hop David
http://clowder.net/hop/index.html |
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