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| Guest |
 Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:33 am |
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Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive to
explore.
"And how do you educate severely autistic children? How do you teach
those who, for the most part, have no language, and no particular
compulsion to acquire it, who are BORN WITHOUT THE NEED TO EXPLORE THE
WORLD, who would rather spin round and round in a circle, or do the
same jigsaw over and over again, than play games with their peers, who
won't make eye-contact, or copy, and who fight bitterly (and sometimes
literally, with nails and teeth and small fists) for the right to
remain sealed in their own world?" - Nick Hornby, renown expert on
autism
http://www.penguin.co.uk/static/cs/uk/0/minisites/nickhornby/treehouse/swta.html |
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| Robert Kolker |
| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:43 am |
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alr@catlover.com wrote:
[quote:eaa745a299]Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive to
explore.
[/quote:eaa745a299]
Are you saying that anyone who does not want to go to Mars is Autistic?
I like to explore ways of stopping the goverment from taxing me to fund
boondogles and foolishness.
Bob Kolker |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:10 am |
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alr@catlover.com wrote:
[quote:2781e93393]Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive to
explore.
"And how do you educate severely autistic children? How do you teach
those who, for the most part, have no language, and no particular
compulsion to acquire it, who are BORN WITHOUT THE NEED TO EXPLORE THE
WORLD, who would rather spin round and round in a circle, or do the
same jigsaw over and over again, than play games with their peers, who
won't make eye-contact, or copy, and who fight bitterly (and sometimes
literally, with nails and teeth and small fists) for the right to
remain sealed in their own world?" - Nick Hornby, renown expert on
autism
http://www.penguin.co.uk/static/cs/uk/0/minisites/nickhornby/treehouse/swta.html
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There is a strong drive to explore, discover and develope space in
this group. It is generally expressed in practical discussions of how
to reduce launch costs, find markets and build infrastructure. A
manned mission to mars costing perhaps half a trillion dollars dosn't
seem to be a sound way to accomplish these goals.
Projects that are within the range of a few billion dollars, that
the public might support are the usual fodder. Maybe you could come up
with a plan, explain how you could indulge your drive to explore within
this price range. Or you could continue to go round and round in your
own circle. |
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| Erik Max Francis |
| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:03 pm |
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alr@catlover.com wrote:
[quote:980e3ff744]Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive to
explore.
[/quote:980e3ff744]
You just gave anyone who was on the fence a convincing reason to never
take your posts seriously again. Congratulations.
--
Erik Max Francis && max@alcyone.com && http://www.alcyone.com/max/
San Jose, CA, USA && 37 20 N 121 53 W && AIM erikmaxfrancis
I love mankind; it's people I can't stand.
-- Charles Schultz |
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| David Johnston |
| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 4:02 pm |
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On 4 Jun 2005 07:33:22 -0700, alr@catlover.com wrote:
[quote:61aaed8743]Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive to
explore.
[/quote:61aaed8743]
That isn't exactly what they claimed.
The thing is, if the urge to explore was such a generally powerful
one, humans would be nomads. People who lived pretty much their
entire lives in the same ten miles would be historical curiosities. |
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| Pat Flannery |
| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:12 pm |
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Erik Max Francis wrote:
[quote:9784fd7fa4]
Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive to
explore.
You just gave anyone who was on the fence a convincing reason to never
take your posts seriously again. Congratulations.
[/quote:9784fd7fa4]
Dittos on that, Mr. Francis.
Although the thought of ALR and Rand Simberg debating each other would
be hilarious:
RS: "You are wrong; you do not have the innate intellect to understand
the truth of my argument."
ALR: "You are autistic."
RS "No, I am not."
ALR: "Yes, you are."
RS: "No."
ALR: "Yes."
RS: "No."
ALR: "Yes."
RS: "No."
ALR: "Yes."
RS: "No."
ALR: "Yes."
RS: "No."
ALR: "Yes."
RS: "No."
ALR: "Yes."
RS: "No."
ALR: "Yes."
RS: "No."
ALR: "Yes."
...and so on till sunset. 
Pat |
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| Michael Grosberg |
| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:31 am |
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alr@catlover.com wrote:
[quote:0ad803daf9]Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive to
explore.
[/quote:0ad803daf9]
I find this remark pretty insulting, as well as showing your lack of
understanding of autism.
[quote:0ad803daf9]"And how do you educate severely autistic children? How do you teach
those who, for the most part, have no language, and no particular
compulsion to acquire it, who are BORN WITHOUT THE NEED TO EXPLORE THE
WORLD, who would rather spin round and round in a circle, or do the
same jigsaw over and over again, than play games with their peers, who
won't make eye-contact, or copy, and who fight bitterly (and sometimes
literally, with nails and teeth and small fists) for the right to
remain sealed in their own world?" - Nick Hornby, renown expert on
autism
[/quote:0ad803daf9]
Nick Hornby is a writer and a father to an autistic child, not an
expert on autism. He may be an expert about football (soccer as you
call it in the US) though. |
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| William December Starr |
| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:52 am |
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In article <1117895602.197488.256100@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
alr@catlover.com said:
[quote:476c60876e]Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic
lack the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few
things about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to
lack a drive to explore.
[/quote:476c60876e]
Hey. Look down. See that shark you've just jumped over?
--
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com> |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:48 am |
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I wouldn't call Hornby a renowned expert. He is a popular writer who
has achieved some degree of success. It just so happens that he is also
the father to an autistic child. That doesn't make him a renowned
expert, just someone who knows more than the average person.
Stephen Spielberg has Asperger's Sydrome, which is on the autistic
scale. Many people with Asperger's are very successful in what they do
because of their obsessive and insightful perspectives. Equally, many
are incapable of simple tasks because they are too busy thinking about
their obsessions.
Either way, I suspect that a person suffering from autism or Asperger's
would have other offline obsessions, and that were they to become
obsessed with internet newsgroups, they would quickly suffer a
breakdown. That's not to say that compulsive newsgroup antagonists
don't suffer mental ill health, just that it's more likely to be
something other than either of these conditions. Loneliness and a lack
of career fulfillment must play a part in this.
Here's an example of someone who not only posts compulsively but who
also resorts to outrageous lies in order to prop up their imaginary
newsgroup life:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.horror.cthulhu/browse_frm/thread/956c1a1ecf526881/f8ad11eed04746e8#f8ad11eed04746e8
As you read through the thread, the strange internet madness of the
protagonist begins to slowly unravel. |
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| Rand Simberg |
| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:35 am |
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On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:12:50 -0500, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery <flanner@daktel.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:
[quote:3fc29a353b]You just gave anyone who was on the fence a convincing reason to never
take your posts seriously again. Congratulations.
Dittos on that, Mr. Francis.
Although the thought of ALR and Rand Simberg debating each other would
be hilarious:
[/quote:3fc29a353b]
<snip>
I have been "debating" this creature, though I've little else to say,
and it bore little resemblance to your fantasy, Pat. |
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| Rand Simberg |
| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:32 am |
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On 5 Jun 2005 05:52:08 -0400, in a place far, far away,
wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
[quote:e8183fd782]Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic
lack the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few
things about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to
lack a drive to explore.
Hey. Look down. See that shark you've just jumped over?
[/quote:e8183fd782]
"Jumping the shark" implies that there was ever any positive value to
his output prior to that point, relative to which shark jumping would
represent a disappointing decline... |
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| L. Merk |
| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:18 pm |
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Erik Max Francis wrote:
[quote:c0064a15f0]alr@catlover.com wrote:
Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive to
explore.
You just gave anyone who was on the fence a convincing reason to never
take your posts seriously again. Congratulations.
[/quote:c0064a15f0]
I disagree. So do experts in the mental health field. It is *not*
healthy to lack the drive to explore. |
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| L. Merk |
| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:20 pm |
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Pat Flannery wrote:
[quote:f8f3ec688e]Dittos on that, Mr. Francis.
[/quote:f8f3ec688e]
Are you one of those cranks who believes "psychiatry is all fraud?" You
must be, if you believe it is perfectly normal to lack a drive to
explore. That is a prime symptom of autism, and autism is *not* normal. |
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| Erik Max Francis |
| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:22 pm |
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L. Merk wrote:
[quote:cb5c0addc2]Are you one of those cranks who believes "psychiatry is all fraud?" You
must be, if you believe it is perfectly normal to lack a drive to
explore. That is a prime symptom of autism, and autism is *not* normal.
[/quote:cb5c0addc2]
No, probably just another one of those radicals who thinks that
argumentum ad hominem isn't a sign of intellectual honesty.
--
Erik Max Francis && max@alcyone.com && http://www.alcyone.com/max/
San Jose, CA, USA && 37 20 N 121 53 W && AIM erikmaxfrancis
What is it that shapes a species?
-- Louis Wu |
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| Raghar |
| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:58 pm |
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alr@catlover.com wrote in
news:1117895602.197488.256100@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
[quote:4d469b1898]Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely
autistic lack the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could
explain a few things about certain posters in these newsgroups,
who claim to lack a drive to explore.
"And how do you educate severely autistic children? How do you
teach those who, for the most part, have no language, and no
particular compulsion to acquire it, who are BORN WITHOUT THE
NEED TO EXPLORE THE WORLD, who would rather spin round and round
in a circle, or do the same jigsaw over and over again, than
play games with their peers, who won't make eye-contact, or
copy, and who fight bitterly (and sometimes literally, with
nails and teeth and small fists) for the right to remain sealed
in their own world?" - Nick Hornby, renown expert on autism
[/quote:4d469b1898]
Alas what can be seen from that above sentence is autistic children
are never bored, thus they are never doing something new.
(And I know you can be bored by travel too.)
I also remember about words from a non autistic woman. "When I was
teenager I traveled half states without money. Now I'm afraid to
move just 50 miles to other city to visit..." It seems that
teenagers that liked a lot of change are becoming much strongely
against ANY change later.
It also seems, but nobody IIRC tried it that amount of neophobia in
persons that didn't moved around a lot as teenagers, doesn't grow
so drastically, or at all. |
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