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| ~.*.Saba Gracile.*.~... |
Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:16 pm |
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Churches that teaches false salvation through babtism of water,
has got it backwards, as you say here. They think the water washes the sins
away (idolize an act, a ceremony, the water), it's an external act that will
save, meaning give you immortality somehow (JW's doctrine). They're
worshipping the ritual, their organisational routine, biblical verses made
to fit the scenario is listed in every possible way as the ANSWER to
everybody, and it is not the Lords wisdom or spirit that has changed
anyone. That is shown by their need for these acts to be the source of
their belief, redemtion etc. This is exactly what worshipping idols is
all about. It's externalized worship, not internalized change from
the Lord Jesus, or Gods spirit that is the saving force. They worship
their own doctrine, their control and deliver of future "savior" if you
do what they say now. Etc etc. It's all a contingency and dependance
upon these false idols, the men that decides, that faulters them and
gives faulty hope. They can't keep their heads above water with this,
they haven't even swum upwards, they're in darkness still because
they haven't replaced their hope in themselves and leaders or rules
and doctrines with the spirit that is from above, from the Lord.
So why do they even babtize, when they don't think they're saved
until they've lived for a thousand years or so? Then it is for sure a
scam, to babtize millions without the spirit having saved them
first when they simply do NOT believe in it? Do they even know?
But yes, the JW's must perform, to provide work for life, for
themselves and even for others, as they are helplessly lend over to God
if they don't. They fear God, the name they mention over
and over like a brute obsession, because he cannot do nothing good
for them. This is why they are desperate to find another way through
the things of this world - their own glory, their own work for
miracles and savior, thinking God agrees with this. The Holy
Spirit of God is nowhere near them, though. It is so sad.
It's even dangerous for their own souls, as they attempt
to meddle with the Holy spirit of Savior by rescuing their
physical bodies through some bought up, worksavior, the
very thing that they can't do, because it is not of their doing
it all happens. But they are non believers, in the strictest sense,
because they are unsafe, unsaved, ungifted and not uplifted
by the Holy spirit, because it does not manifest like that on
those that don't believe. It has got to come from God not
yourself, and if you don't take it, it doesn't come. The only
thing you can do is give yourself up, give yourself over, and
not be stubborn and goatlike, thinking we can do it for ourselves.
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| Elijahovah... |
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:53 am |
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but JWs do beleive they are saved if baptized.
They do beleive that if not baptized then you are not saved.
So that means those who are baptized are saved.
You miss the whole scenerio.
Saved from the car accident where your mother died and
you crawled out, doesnt mean your saved from the
kid who thought it was funny pushing you a year
later in the pool when they had to rescusitate you.
It doesnt mean your saved when you decide to
adding to your PERSONAL religion the idea that drinking
silver water is going to kill all the bad germs inside you
and not kill your necessity for good stomach bacteria.
It means flesh is mortal. And mortal does not mean will die, it means
it can die, but it can also avoid death. You are pushing the belief
that everyone is already saved by dying and by going to heaven. But
this is a deception because what proves there are just a select is the
fact that Jesus walked the Earth during a time of select to heaven. He
was going back to heaven, and no body on Earth had yet gone despite
the fact they bitterly hated him saying no one had yet, and that he
would be the first. Everyone on earth during the years Jesus was also
alive on earth.... almost every human beleived dead people were
already going to heaven because there were christs before Jesus who
started that concept. Going to heaven existed in concept before Jesus
was here. Jesus came to say not so it is not yet, but will be a select
just as he was and is a select. This is why Satan will attempt to kill
the last saints, but killing them doesnt kill them. If they prove
faithful in the fact that only they are select, the number will be
complete. That number 144,000 must be complete or they do not have
permission to put Satan under, much less appear in the flesh to save
their children of flesh. Everything is at stake right now, this year,
this month, this week, this day, this hour. All CAN fail, and will
fail if the Jesus on earth listens to Judas or Peter. The plan of God
lies in the hands of the one who can or should or will save, but has
to make that decision. It means life for everyone who has ever died,
everyone now alive, and everyone alive who has not yet gone to heaven.
I cry and shutter and I cannot sleep because I see what is true. I was
there, on Mount Ararat on August 30 and 31, and Jehovah gave me
permission thru Turkey on Sep 12 to be there on Eylul 12-19 emailing
it to me on Sep 15. But had I gone to the ark, a team had already
unburied it, and was told to leave, and the water melting on the ark
came flowing up off of it. And the team left that housing there
because by Jehovah it was being left there for me to stay when I got
there. And my rights to be there is covered by their words for the
Turkish government has no right to declare Jewish or Chaldean ELUL
(Nisan's 6th month or Tishri's 11th month) as the translation to
Greek /Roman September (7th month). Elul is still used in the world
and Elul 12 & 13 fell on Aug 30 and 31. Thus Jehovah covered my
permission to be on Mount Ararat, and he had paved the way to make my
sins innocent to the very finish. But whining i had a frozen finger, I
asked if I had gone far enough, and I turned back from the goal.
The true christ in the flesh now on earth will not turn back from the
goal, because she sees that these pavings by Jehovah do exist, and
that no matter how many court trials are won, the final trial is won
by letting the court kill them as they killed her husband. Shem was
Melchizedek a king of righteousness not by ruling orders and demands
and accepting power to control others, but rather is longevity proved
him a king of examples to follow. And others followed his ways until
he died at 600 in 1868 BC. Just as many followed Nimrod's (Narmer)
ways until he died at 500 in 1770 BC.
The true christ is one by example not by control, but he is not
responsible if his apostles and disciples attempt to do all that
controlling in the name of obeying that true chirst on earth. The hour
came where Jesus had accusation against him worthy of death, no longer
innocent; his disciple Peter cut a Roman soldier's ear off.... Jehovah
cancelled that sin of Jesus with an act of Jesus picking that ear up
and as he placed it back it was Jehovah who healed it so that his son
remained without sin of what his followers do to others. So it is with
the christ right now. Yet you will ignore this and you kill her again.
ELIJAH
The goat of sins given to Azazel the devil.
The goat given to Jehovah then follows. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:48 am |
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"Elijahovah" <rschiller at (no spam) wi.rr.com> skrev i melding
news:045e9cf2-88c1-4a90-96ff-7a5dba2bb354 at (no spam) x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Quote: but JWs do beleive they are saved if baptized.
They do beleive that if not baptized then you are not saved.
So that means those who are baptized are saved.
You miss the whole scenerio.
Yes, I missed the whole superficial scenario that they think
they're saved when dipping their bodies in water, without
thinking they're saved until they've started their eternal life.
They think they are buying their ticket
to paradise by water babtism.
Quote: Saved from the car accident where your mother died and
you crawled out, doesnt mean your saved from the
kid who thought it was funny pushing you a year
later in the pool when they had to rescusitate you.
It doesnt mean your saved when you decide to
adding to your PERSONAL religion the idea that drinking
silver water is going to kill all the bad germs inside you
and not kill your necessity for good stomach bacteria.
If you try to save your body you might even lose your soul,
as the bible says. "What is the point of gaining your life if you
lose your soul"? It's not all about being physically alive, we need
holy spirit to even breathe. I guess the WTS don't teach about
that. Spiritual health to them is measured by not missing a meeting.
The WTS put their own personal twist on the bible, differing
from the one of Grace through Faith, twisting what faith and
savior is, putting an additional price tag on it (work), and that
nobody can have it unless doing their organisational deeds.
Quote: It means flesh is mortal. And mortal does not mean will die, it means
it can die, but it can also avoid death. You are pushing the belief
that everyone is already saved by dying and by going to heaven. But
this is a deception because what proves there are just a select is the
fact that Jesus walked the Earth during a time of select to heaven. He
was going back to heaven, and no body on Earth had yet gone despite
the fact they bitterly hated him saying no one had yet, and that he
would be the first. Everyone on earth during the years Jesus was also
alive on earth.... almost every human beleived dead people were
already going to heaven because there were christs before Jesus who
started that concept. Going to heaven existed in concept before Jesus
was here. Jesus came to say not so it is not yet, but will be a select
just as he was and is a select. This is why Satan will attempt to kill
the last saints, but killing them doesnt kill them. If they prove
faithful in the fact that only they are select, the number will be
complete. That number 144,000 must be complete or they do not have
permission to put Satan under, much less appear in the flesh to save
their children of flesh. Everything is at stake right now, this year,
this month, this week, this day, this hour. All CAN fail, and will
fail if the Jesus on earth listens to Judas or Peter. The plan of God
lies in the hands of the one who can or should or will save, but has
to make that decision. It means life for everyone who has ever died,
everyone now alive, and everyone alive who has not yet gone to heaven.
I cry and shutter and I cannot sleep because I see what is true. I was
there, on Mount Ararat on August 30 and 31, and Jehovah gave me
permission thru Turkey on Sep 12 to be there on Eylul 12-19 emailing
it to me on Sep 15. But had I gone to the ark, a team had already
unburied it, and was told to leave, and the water melting on the ark
came flowing up off of it. And the team left that housing there
because by Jehovah it was being left there for me to stay when I got
there. And my rights to be there is covered by their words for the
Turkish government has no right to declare Jewish or Chaldean ELUL
(Nisan's 6th month or Tishri's 11th month) as the translation to
Greek /Roman September (7th month). Elul is still used in the world
and Elul 12 & 13 fell on Aug 30 and 31. Thus Jehovah covered my
permission to be on Mount Ararat, and he had paved the way to make my
sins innocent to the very finish. But whining i had a frozen finger, I
asked if I had gone far enough, and I turned back from the goal.
The true christ in the flesh now on earth will not turn back from the
goal, because she sees that these pavings by Jehovah do exist, and
that no matter how many court trials are won, the final trial is won
by letting the court kill them as they killed her husband. Shem was
Melchizedek a king of righteousness not by ruling orders and demands
and accepting power to control others, but rather is longevity proved
him a king of examples to follow. And others followed his ways until
he died at 600 in 1868 BC. Just as many followed Nimrod's (Narmer)
ways until he died at 500 in 1770 BC.
The true christ is one by example not by control, but he is not
responsible if his apostles and disciples attempt to do all that
controlling in the name of obeying that true chirst on earth. The hour
came where Jesus had accusation against him worthy of death, no longer
innocent; his disciple Peter cut a Roman soldier's ear off.... Jehovah
cancelled that sin of Jesus with an act of Jesus picking that ear up
and as he placed it back it was Jehovah who healed it so that his son
remained without sin of what his followers do to others. So it is with
the christ right now. Yet you will ignore this and you kill her again.
I tried to find something sane in there, but couldn't.
Quote:
ELIJAH
The goat of sins given to Azazel the devil.
The goat given to Jehovah then follows.
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