China Arrests Dozens of Prominent Christians
At least 50 detained in fresh crackdown on house churches, reportedly
promoted by new video and book releases.
By Timothy C. Morgan with David Neff in Washington, D.C. | posted
02/18/2004


China's Public Security Bureau has launched a new crackdown on
unregistered church leaders, arresting 50 or more people following the
release of a new video and book, documenting huge growth among
Christians outside the officially permitted church.

In mid-February, the China Aid Association confirmed that in January
police arrested three prominent Protestant leaders from Henan
province, including Qiao Chunling, 41, in Luoyang; Deborah Xu
Yongling, 58, in Nanyang; and Zeng Guangbo, 35, in Deng County.
Guangbo escaped two days after he was arrested, and remains in hiding.

The crackdown may last for 30 days and began during China's annual
National Religious Working Conference. This meeting brings together
top leaders of the state Religious Affairs Bureau and the
policy-making United Front Work Department. Both are charged with
oversight of religion in China.

During that meeting, communist leaders screened a new, four-hour
digital video, The Cross: Jesus in China. China Soul for Christ
Foundation of Petaluma, California, produced the series and Yuan
Zhiming, a pro-democracy leader and a Christian, wrote and directed
it.

Communist leaders were also briefed on Jesus in Beijing, a new book by
journalist David Aikman, formerly a Time magazine correspondent in
Beijing. Both the video and book document the stunning growth and
vibrancy of Christianity in China. The video has been classified as
"political matter," and Public Security Bureau officers are
confiscating CDV copies of the widely distributed series and other
Christian literature.

A source based in Hong Kong told CT that the crackdown will focus on
"the people mentioned in the video and the book" and may be as brutal
as the recent repression of Falun Gong. China's actions against Falun
Gong, a traditionalist sect that emphasizes meditation, resulted in
many arrests, imprisonments, beatings, and deaths. A New York-based
watchdog group reported that 64 Falun Gong practitioners have died
after being tortured inside China since November 2003.

"They will especially hunt those in Beijing," the source said. "It
took them by surprise that there were so many Christians in China.
Every week pastors are arrested and thrown in jail. The communists see
Christians as a threat because there are [more] Christians than Party
members."

According to experts, estimates of the total number of Christians
varies widely from 30 million to 100 million. The
government-registered Christian church (Three Self Patriotic Movement)
includes about 28 million followers. There may be as many as 80
million Christians in unregistered congregations. According to
Operation World, independent Christian congregations, mostly
evangelical and charismatic, are growing at a rate of 9 percent
annually. That's a huge growth rate since China's overall population
(1.3 billion) is growing at about 0.6 percent annually. China's
constitution guarantees freedom of religious belief but requires all
religious organizations to register with the government. The
government brands those groups that do not register as "illegal" or
"cults."

Leaders face hardships
According to another source who asked not to be named, Deborah Xu was
arrested on Saturday, January 24, in Nanyang, Henan Province. Around
11p.m. Xu was sleeping on the second floor of her niece's home. Two
police officers entered the dwelling and locked the niece's
mother-in-law in another room. The officers located Xu, handcuffed
her, and took her into custody. Police also confiscated photos and
documents.

Xu, a leading figure in China's house churches, is the sister of Peter
Xu Yongze, founder of the "born-again" movement of house churches in
China with millions of followers. In recent years, police have
arrested Deborah Xu numerous times. But on this occasion, family
members and supporters have been unable to gain any information about
where she is being held, according to CT's source. Nanyang police have
not disclosed what charges she faces.

Peter Xu left China in 2000 to seek asylum in the West. He is
currently based in the Los Angeles area and is a leader in the new
Back to Jerusalem movement. This organization aims to use 100,000
Chinese evangelists and missionaries to spread the gospel westward
from China back to the city of Jerusalem.

In early February, Christianity Today interviewed Peter Xu and another
prominent house church leader, Liu Zhenying (better known as Brother
Yun). Both were in Washington during the annual National Prayer
Breakfast. Yun currently is based in Germany.

Xu said his family has been Christian for four generations. "I'm
extremely thankful that the Lord made my sister as my spiritual
partner. She was called by the Lord when she was 17 years old and
dedicated her whole life to the Lord." His sister made that commitment
along with a decision to remain unmarried.

"She serves as a beautiful example in the front lines. Brothers and
sisters [designate] her as a mother of the church." Her role includes
training house church leaders throughout China, especially other women
evangelists.

Police in China have arrested both Peter Xu and Brother Yun many
times. At age 17 in 1975, Yun was arrested for the first time. Police
publicly beat him alongside his mother, also an active Christian. Yun
told CT, "The fire of the Holy Spirit in my heart has never ceased in
spite of this beating with my mom. Immediately after I was released
from the detention center, I started preaching again."

Xu and Yun were in the same prison in 1997. Xu said one day he
discovered his cell door unlocked, which he attributes to a miracle.
He snuck into the corridor and over to Yun's cell, which could be
unlocked from the outside, and he walked inside.

"Our eyes just met each other," Xu recalled. "And I said, 'God wants
you to go.' So I ordered him to go and then I closed the door and he
left. I started praying, Lord, protect him and let him go." Although
he was severely injured from previous beatings and torture, Yun was
able to escape.

Within minutes, prison guards had discovered the escape and began
searching. But a winter storm started, allowing Yun to flee as guards
were searching for their rain gear. "I was completely relieved," Xu
said. "I know God used the rain and the snow as Yun's shelter. God has
performed a big miracle."

As Yun fled the prison, he thought he was in a dream. He walked up to
several iron doors and they opened before him. After he fled, Yun
sought asylum in the West. He has told his life story in The Heavenly
Man, published in 2002.

Controlling Religion in China
Yun told CT that Western Christians should understand better how
China's government seeks to suppress Christianity in China. He said
China has used its laws and administrative rules to stringently
control religious expression, organizations, publishing, and training.

He said, "I won't deny there are true born-again Christians inside the
[state-regulated] church. But the head of the house church is Jesus
Christ alone."

Yun said China uses propaganda to "blur the line between the orthodox
belief and those who only obey the Communist Party's command." In
addition, Yun said China uses "international propaganda" to mislead
Westerners and promote China's policy stance toward religion. He said
China also invites top Western Christian leaders to travel inside
China to see for themselves how Christians are allowed to run churches
openly, but that doesn't provide a full picture.

House-church sources told CT that the South China Church and its
leader, Pastor Gong Shengliang, is a powerful example of what happens
when church growth happens quickly, resulting in crippling state
scrutiny.

In 2001, China convicted Gong and other South China Church leaders for
operating a cult. They were sentenced to death. After an international
outcry, Gong was tried again, but on charges of raping women members
of his church. According to reliable reports, authorities took women
in custody and tortured them until they alleged Gong had raped them.
"One sister was beaten to death," Xu told CT. China has banned Gong's
church and he is in prison.

Xu said China's leaders hope to fracture house church groups any way
they can. "They tried to isolate one house-church group, now to single
them out. By doing that, they can divide house church unity. This
purpose is very obvious, very evil. We really prayed the eyesight, the
insight, the discernment of the eagle to really clearly see this trap
of Satan."

Copyright © 2004 Christianity Today


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------

Revelation 12:3-17 (NRSV)


3 Then another portent appeared in heaven: a great red dragon, with
seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail
swept down a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth.
Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child,
so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she
gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rulea all the nations
with a rod of iron. But her child was snatched away and taken to God
and to his throne; 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she
has a place prepared by God, so that there she can be nourished for
one thousand two hundred sixty days.

Michael Defeats the Dragon

7 And war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against
the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but they were
defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 The
great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the
Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world-he was thrown down to
the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, proclaiming,

"Now have come the salvation and the power

and the kingdom of our God

and the authority of his Messiah,b

for the accuser of our comradesc has been thrown down,

who accuses them day and night before our God.

11 But they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb

and by the word of their testimony,

for they did not cling to life even in the face of death.

12 Rejoice then, you heavens

and those who dwell in them!

But woe to the earth and the sea,

for the devil has come down to you

with great wrath,

because he knows that his time is short!"

The Dragon Fights Again on Earth

13 So when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth,
he pursuedd the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But
the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, so that she
could fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to her place where she
is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. 15 Then from his
mouth the serpent poured water like a river after the woman, to sweep
her away with the flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the
woman; it opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had
poured from his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was angry with the woman,
and went off to make war on the rest of her children, those who keep
the commandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus.


End times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/

Now they are back to persecuting Jews.

Well the persecution is a sign of the pre-tribulation prior to the lords
return and their faith, it may get much worse as Lk 21v12 "before all this"

"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:511a49a.0402230503.63225085@posting.google.com...
China Arrests Dozens of Prominent Christians
At least 50 detained in fresh crackdown on house churches, reportedly
promoted by new video and book releases.
By Timothy C. Morgan with David Neff in Washington, D.C. | posted
02/18/2004


China's Public Security Bureau has launched a new crackdown on
unregistered church leaders, arresting 50 or more people following the
release of a new video and book, documenting huge growth among
Christians outside the officially permitted church.

In mid-February, the China Aid Association confirmed that in January
police arrested three prominent Protestant leaders from Henan
province, including Qiao Chunling, 41, in Luoyang; Deborah Xu
Yongling, 58, in Nanyang; and Zeng Guangbo, 35, in Deng County.
Guangbo escaped two days after he was arrested, and remains in hiding.

The crackdown may last for 30 days and began during China's annual
National Religious Working Conference. This meeting brings together
top leaders of the state Religious Affairs Bureau and the
policy-making United Front Work Department. Both are charged with
oversight of religion in China.

During that meeting, communist leaders screened a new, four-hour
digital video, The Cross: Jesus in China. China Soul for Christ
Foundation of Petaluma, California, produced the series and Yuan
Zhiming, a pro-democracy leader and a Christian, wrote and directed
it.

Communist leaders were also briefed on Jesus in Beijing, a new book by
journalist David Aikman, formerly a Time magazine correspondent in
Beijing. Both the video and book document the stunning growth and
vibrancy of Christianity in China. The video has been classified as
"political matter," and Public Security Bureau officers are
confiscating CDV copies of the widely distributed series and other
Christian literature.

A source based in Hong Kong told CT that the crackdown will focus on
"the people mentioned in the video and the book" and may be as brutal
as the recent repression of Falun Gong. China's actions against Falun
Gong, a traditionalist sect that emphasizes meditation, resulted in
many arrests, imprisonments, beatings, and deaths. A New York-based
watchdog group reported that 64 Falun Gong practitioners have died
after being tortured inside China since November 2003.

"They will especially hunt those in Beijing," the source said. "It
took them by surprise that there were so many Christians in China.
Every week pastors are arrested and thrown in jail. The communists see
Christians as a threat because there are [more] Christians than Party
members."

According to experts, estimates of the total number of Christians
varies widely from 30 million to 100 million. The
government-registered Christian church (Three Self Patriotic Movement)
includes about 28 million followers. There may be as many as 80
million Christians in unregistered congregations. According to
Operation World, independent Christian congregations, mostly
evangelical and charismatic, are growing at a rate of 9 percent
annually. That's a huge growth rate since China's overall population
(1.3 billion) is growing at about 0.6 percent annually. China's
constitution guarantees freedom of religious belief but requires all
religious organizations to register with the government. The
government brands those groups that do not register as "illegal" or
"cults."

Leaders face hardships
According to another source who asked not to be named, Deborah Xu was
arrested on Saturday, January 24, in Nanyang, Henan Province. Around
11p.m. Xu was sleeping on the second floor of her niece's home. Two
police officers entered the dwelling and locked the niece's
mother-in-law in another room. The officers located Xu, handcuffed
her, and took her into custody. Police also confiscated photos and
documents.

Xu, a leading figure in China's house churches, is the sister of Peter
Xu Yongze, founder of the "born-again" movement of house churches in
China with millions of followers. In recent years, police have
arrested Deborah Xu numerous times. But on this occasion, family
members and supporters have been unable to gain any information about
where she is being held, according to CT's source. Nanyang police have
not disclosed what charges she faces.

Peter Xu left China in 2000 to seek asylum in the West. He is
currently based in the Los Angeles area and is a leader in the new
Back to Jerusalem movement. This organization aims to use 100,000
Chinese evangelists and missionaries to spread the gospel westward
from China back to the city of Jerusalem.

In early February, Christianity Today interviewed Peter Xu and another
prominent house church leader, Liu Zhenying (better known as Brother
Yun). Both were in Washington during the annual National Prayer
Breakfast. Yun currently is based in Germany.

Xu said his family has been Christian for four generations. "I'm
extremely thankful that the Lord made my sister as my spiritual
partner. She was called by the Lord when she was 17 years old and
dedicated her whole life to the Lord." His sister made that commitment
along with a decision to remain unmarried.

"She serves as a beautiful example in the front lines. Brothers and
sisters [designate] her as a mother of the church." Her role includes
training house church leaders throughout China, especially other women
evangelists.

Police in China have arrested both Peter Xu and Brother Yun many
times. At age 17 in 1975, Yun was arrested for the first time. Police
publicly beat him alongside his mother, also an active Christian. Yun
told CT, "The fire of the Holy Spirit in my heart has never ceased in
spite of this beating with my mom. Immediately after I was released
from the detention center, I started preaching again."

Xu and Yun were in the same prison in 1997. Xu said one day he
discovered his cell door unlocked, which he attributes to a miracle.
He snuck into the corridor and over to Yun's cell, which could be
unlocked from the outside, and he walked inside.

"Our eyes just met each other," Xu recalled. "And I said, 'God wants
you to go.' So I ordered him to go and then I closed the door and he
left. I started praying, Lord, protect him and let him go." Although
he was severely injured from previous beatings and torture, Yun was
able to escape.

Within minutes, prison guards had discovered the escape and began
searching. But a winter storm started, allowing Yun to flee as guards
were searching for their rain gear. "I was completely relieved," Xu
said. "I know God used the rain and the snow as Yun's shelter. God has
performed a big miracle."

As Yun fled the prison, he thought he was in a dream. He walked up to
several iron doors and they opened before him. After he fled, Yun
sought asylum in the West. He has told his life story in The Heavenly
Man, published in 2002.

Controlling Religion in China
Yun told CT that Western Christians should understand better how
China's government seeks to suppress Christianity in China. He said
China has used its laws and administrative rules to stringently
control religious expression, organizations, publishing, and training.

He said, "I won't deny there are true born-again Christians inside the
[state-regulated] church. But the head of the house church is Jesus
Christ alone."

Yun said China uses propaganda to "blur the line between the orthodox
belief and those who only obey the Communist Party's command." In
addition, Yun said China uses "international propaganda" to mislead
Westerners and promote China's policy stance toward religion. He said
China also invites top Western Christian leaders to travel inside
China to see for themselves how Christians are allowed to run churches
openly, but that doesn't provide a full picture.

House-church sources told CT that the South China Church and its
leader, Pastor Gong Shengliang, is a powerful example of what happens
when church growth happens quickly, resulting in crippling state
scrutiny.

In 2001, China convicted Gong and other South China Church leaders for
operating a cult. They were sentenced to death. After an international
outcry, Gong was tried again, but on charges of raping women members
of his church. According to reliable reports, authorities took women
in custody and tortured them until they alleged Gong had raped them.
"One sister was beaten to death," Xu told CT. China has banned Gong's
church and he is in prison.

Xu said China's leaders hope to fracture house church groups any way
they can. "They tried to isolate one house-church group, now to single
them out. By doing that, they can divide house church unity. This
purpose is very obvious, very evil. We really prayed the eyesight, the
insight, the discernment of the eagle to really clearly see this trap
of Satan."

Copyright © 2004 Christianity Today


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------

Revelation 12:3-17 (NRSV)


3 Then another portent appeared in heaven: a great red dragon, with
seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail
swept down a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth.
Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child,
so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she
gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rulea all the nations
with a rod of iron. But her child was snatched away and taken to God
and to his throne; 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she
has a place prepared by God, so that there she can be nourished for
one thousand two hundred sixty days.

Michael Defeats the Dragon

7 And war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against
the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but they were
defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 The
great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the
Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world-he was thrown down to
the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, proclaiming,

"Now have come the salvation and the power

and the kingdom of our God

and the authority of his Messiah,b

for the accuser of our comradesc has been thrown down,

who accuses them day and night before our God.

11 But they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb

and by the word of their testimony,

for they did not cling to life even in the face of death.

12 Rejoice then, you heavens

and those who dwell in them!

But woe to the earth and the sea,

for the devil has come down to you

with great wrath,

because he knows that his time is short!"

The Dragon Fights Again on Earth

13 So when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth,
he pursuedd the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But
the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, so that she
could fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to her place where she
is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. 15 Then from his
mouth the serpent poured water like a river after the woman, to sweep
her away with the flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the
woman; it opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had
poured from his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was angry with the woman,
and went off to make war on the rest of her children, those who keep
the commandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus.


End times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/

x-no-archive:yes
On 24 Feb 2004 06:15:19 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net
wrote:

Tom McCafferty wrote:
Now they are back to persecuting Jews.

That'd be the fake christians. Real Christians do not persecute Jews.

They better not. There are STERN warnings about anyone "touching" the
Chosen/Israel.

The last government that did, the Nazis, are gone now, aren't they?
That should tell you something.

End times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/

Tom McCafferty wrote:
Now they are back to persecuting Jews.

That'd be the fake christians. Real Christians do not persecute Jews.

China Arrests Dozens of Prominent Christians
At least 50 detained in fresh crackdown on house churches, reportedly
promoted by new video and book releases.
By Timothy C. Morgan with David Neff in Washington, D.C. | posted
02/18/2004

China's Public Security Bureau has launched a new crackdown on
unregistered church leaders, arresting 50 or more people following the
release of a new video and book, documenting huge growth among
Christians outside the officially permitted church.

In mid-February, the China Aid Association confirmed that in January
police arrested three prominent Protestant leaders from Henan
province, including Qiao Chunling, 41, in Luoyang; Deborah Xu
Yongling, 58, in Nanyang; and Zeng Guangbo, 35, in Deng County.
Guangbo escaped two days after he was arrested, and remains in hiding.

The crackdown may last for 30 days and began during China's annual
National Religious Working Conference. This meeting brings together
top leaders of the state Religious Affairs Bureau and the
policy-making United Front Work Department. Both are charged with
oversight of religion in China.

During that meeting, communist leaders screened a new, four-hour
digital video, The Cross: Jesus in China. China Soul for Christ
Foundation of Petaluma, California, produced the series and Yuan
Zhiming, a pro-democracy leader and a Christian, wrote and directed
it.

Communist leaders were also briefed on Jesus in Beijing, a new book by
journalist David Aikman, formerly a Time magazine correspondent in
Beijing. Both the video and book document the stunning growth and
vibrancy of Christianity in China. The video has been classified as
"political matter," and Public Security Bureau officers are
confiscating CDV copies of the widely distributed series and other
Christian literature.

A source based in Hong Kong told CT that the crackdown will focus on
"the people mentioned in the video and the book" and may be as brutal
as the recent repression of Falun Gong. China's actions against Falun
Gong, a traditionalist sect that emphasizes meditation, resulted in
many arrests, imprisonments, beatings, and deaths. A New York-based
watchdog group reported that 64 Falun Gong practitioners have died
after being tortured inside China since November 2003.

"They will especially hunt those in Beijing," the source said. "It
took them by surprise that there were so many Christians in China.
Every week pastors are arrested and thrown in jail. The communists see
Christians as a threat because there are [more] Christians than Party
members."

According to experts, estimates of the total number of Christians
varies widely from 30 million to 100 million. The
government-registered Christian church (Three Self Patriotic Movement)
includes about 28 million followers. There may be as many as 80
million Christians in unregistered congregations. According to
Operation World, independent Christian congregations, mostly
evangelical and charismatic, are growing at a rate of 9 percent
annually. That's a huge growth rate since China's overall population
(1.3 billion) is growing at about 0.6 percent annually. China's
constitution guarantees freedom of religious belief but requires all
religious organizations to register with the government. The
government brands those groups that do not register as "illegal" or
"cults."

Leaders face hardships
According to another source who asked not to be named, Deborah Xu was
arrested on Saturday, January 24, in Nanyang, Henan Province. Around
11p.m. Xu was sleeping on the second floor of her niece's home. Two
police officers entered the dwelling and locked the niece's
mother-in-law in another room. The officers located Xu, handcuffed
her, and took her into custody. Police also confiscated photos and
documents.

Xu, a leading figure in China's house churches, is the sister of Peter
Xu Yongze, founder of the "born-again" movement of house churches in
China with millions of followers. In recent years, police have
arrested Deborah Xu numerous times. But on this occasion, family
members and supporters have been unable to gain any information about
where she is being held, according to CT's source. Nanyang police have
not disclosed what charges she faces.

Peter Xu left China in 2000 to seek asylum in the West. He is
currently based in the Los Angeles area and is a leader in the new
Back to Jerusalem movement. This organization aims to use 100,000
Chinese evangelists and missionaries to spread the gospel westward
from China back to the city of Jerusalem.

In early February, Christianity Today interviewed Peter Xu and another
prominent house church leader, Liu Zhenying (better known as Brother
Yun). Both were in Washington during the annual National Prayer
Breakfast. Yun currently is based in Germany.

Xu said his family has been Christian for four generations. "I'm
extremely thankful that the Lord made my sister as my spiritual
partner. She was called by the Lord when she was 17 years old and
dedicated her whole life to the Lord." His sister made that commitment
along with a decision to remain unmarried.

"She serves as a beautiful example in the front lines. Brothers and
sisters [designate] her as a mother of the church." Her role includes
training house church leaders throughout China, especially other women
evangelists.

Police in China have arrested both Peter Xu and Brother Yun many
times. At age 17 in 1975, Yun was arrested for the first time. Police
publicly beat him alongside his mother, also an active Christian. Yun
told CT, "The fire of the Holy Spirit in my heart has never ceased in
spite of this beating with my mom. Immediately after I was released
from the detention center, I started preaching again."

Xu and Yun were in the same prison in 1997. Xu said one day he
discovered his cell door unlocked, which he attributes to a miracle.
He snuck into the corridor and over to Yun's cell, which could be
unlocked from the outside, and he walked inside.

"Our eyes just met each other," Xu recalled. "And I said, 'God wants
you to go.' So I ordered him to go and then I closed the door and he
left. I started praying, Lord, protect him and let him go." Although
he was severely injured from previous beatings and torture, Yun was
able to escape.

Within minutes, prison guards had discovered the escape and began
searching. But a winter storm started, allowing Yun to flee as guards
were searching for their rain gear. "I was completely relieved," Xu
said. "I know God used the rain and the snow as Yun's shelter. God has
performed a big miracle."

As Yun fled the prison, he thought he was in a dream. He walked up to
several iron doors and they opened before him. After he fled, Yun
sought asylum in the West. He has told his life story in The Heavenly
Man, published in 2002.

Controlling Religion in China
Yun told CT that Western Christians should understand better how
China's government seeks to suppress Christianity in China. He said
China has used its laws and administrative rules to stringently
control religious expression, organizations, publishing, and training.

He said, "I won't deny there are true born-again Christians inside the
[state-regulated] church. But the head of the house church is Jesus
Christ alone."

Yun said China uses propaganda to "blur the line between the orthodox
belief and those who only obey the Communist Party's command." In
addition, Yun said China uses "international propaganda" to mislead
Westerners and promote China's policy stance toward religion. He said
China also invites top Western Christian leaders to travel inside
China to see for themselves how Christians are allowed to run churches
openly, but that doesn't provide a full picture.

House-church sources told CT that the South China Church and its
leader, Pastor Gong Shengliang, is a powerful example of what happens
when church growth happens quickly, resulting in crippling state
scrutiny.

In 2001, China convicted Gong and other South China Church leaders for
operating a cult. They were sentenced to death. After an international
outcry, Gong was tried again, but on charges of raping women members
of his church. According to reliable reports, authorities took women
in custody and tortured them until they alleged Gong had raped them.
"One sister was beaten to death," Xu told CT. China has banned Gong's
church and he is in prison.

Xu said China's leaders hope to fracture house church groups any way
they can. "They tried to isolate one house-church group, now to single
them out. By doing that, they can divide house church unity. This
purpose is very obvious, very evil. We really prayed the eyesight, the
insight, the discernment of the eagle to really clearly see this trap
of Satan."

Copyright © 2004 Christianity Today


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Revelation 12:3-17 (NRSV)


3 Then another portent appeared in heaven: a great red dragon, with
seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail
swept down a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth.
Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child,
so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she
gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rulea all the nations
with a rod of iron. But her child was snatched away and taken to God
and to his throne; 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she
has a place prepared by God, so that there she can be nourished for
one thousand two hundred sixty days.

Michael Defeats the Dragon

7 And war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against
the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but they were
defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 The
great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the
Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to
the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, proclaiming,

"Now have come the salvation and the power

and the kingdom of our God

and the authority of his Messiah,b

for the accuser of our comradesc has been thrown down,

who accuses them day and night before our God.

11 But they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb

and by the word of their testimony,

for they did not cling to life even in the face of death.

12 Rejoice then, you heavens

and those who dwell in them!

But woe to the earth and the sea,

for the devil has come down to you

with great wrath,

because he knows that his time is short!"

The Dragon Fights Again on Earth

13 So when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth,
he pursuedd the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But
the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, so that she
could fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to her place where she
is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. 15 Then from his
mouth the serpent poured water like a river after the woman, to sweep
her away with the flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the
woman; it opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had
poured from his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was angry with the woman,
and went off to make war on the rest of her children, those who keep
the commandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus.


End times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/

Tom McCafferty wrote:
Now they are back to persecuting Jews.

That'd be the fake christians. Real Christians do not persecute Jews.

--
TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.

"u2 fan" <aha@aha.aha> wrote in message news:c1dfq1$h46$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
Well the persecution is a sign of the pre-tribulation prior to the lords
return and their faith, it may get much worse as Lk 21v12 "before all this"

You say this as if this is the first time the church has seen this much 'tribulation'.
There is a book called Fox's book of the Martyrs, and another called Martyr's Mirror. In
them you will see that 'tribulation' and persecutions have been going on since the time of
Christ. So, why does current events make this the hour of 'tribulation'? Is it because we
now have nukes and they didn't? Is it because we now have mass communication now and it is
reported more or is there actually more persecution?

Dispensationalists have been saying the tribulation is 'at the door!" Jack VanImpe has
been changing his messages for over 30 years to keep up with current events to show how
close it is. I call this 'Headline" prophecy! Rubbish., we are to wait and expect the
Lord, as Paul stated, but this rubbish that the church is into now is disqusting!

dispensationalists worried as much about their calling to holiness as they did about the
last days the Church would be vibrant with victories for Christ! Instead, we have people
living 'holy' lives out of fear that they will be left behind instead of living Holy lives
because they love the one whom saved them.

Rich





"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:511a49a.0402230503.63225085@posting.google.com...
China Arrests Dozens of Prominent Christians
At least 50 detained in fresh crackdown on house churches, reportedly
promoted by new video and book releases.
By Timothy C. Morgan with David Neff in Washington, D.C. | posted
02/18/2004


China's Public Security Bureau has launched a new crackdown on
unregistered church leaders, arresting 50 or more people following the
release of a new video and book, documenting huge growth among
Christians outside the officially permitted church.

In mid-February, the China Aid Association confirmed that in January
police arrested three prominent Protestant leaders from Henan
province, including Qiao Chunling, 41, in Luoyang; Deborah Xu
Yongling, 58, in Nanyang; and Zeng Guangbo, 35, in Deng County.
Guangbo escaped two days after he was arrested, and remains in hiding.

The crackdown may last for 30 days and began during China's annual
National Religious Working Conference. This meeting brings together
top leaders of the state Religious Affairs Bureau and the
policy-making United Front Work Department. Both are charged with
oversight of religion in China.

During that meeting, communist leaders screened a new, four-hour
digital video, The Cross: Jesus in China. China Soul for Christ
Foundation of Petaluma, California, produced the series and Yuan
Zhiming, a pro-democracy leader and a Christian, wrote and directed
it.

Communist leaders were also briefed on Jesus in Beijing, a new book by
journalist David Aikman, formerly a Time magazine correspondent in
Beijing. Both the video and book document the stunning growth and
vibrancy of Christianity in China. The video has been classified as
"political matter," and Public Security Bureau officers are
confiscating CDV copies of the widely distributed series and other
Christian literature.

A source based in Hong Kong told CT that the crackdown will focus on
"the people mentioned in the video and the book" and may be as brutal
as the recent repression of Falun Gong. China's actions against Falun
Gong, a traditionalist sect that emphasizes meditation, resulted in
many arrests, imprisonments, beatings, and deaths. A New York-based
watchdog group reported that 64 Falun Gong practitioners have died
after being tortured inside China since November 2003.

"They will especially hunt those in Beijing," the source said. "It
took them by surprise that there were so many Christians in China.
Every week pastors are arrested and thrown in jail. The communists see
Christians as a threat because there are [more] Christians than Party
members."

According to experts, estimates of the total number of Christians
varies widely from 30 million to 100 million. The
government-registered Christian church (Three Self Patriotic Movement)
includes about 28 million followers. There may be as many as 80
million Christians in unregistered congregations. According to
Operation World, independent Christian congregations, mostly
evangelical and charismatic, are growing at a rate of 9 percent
annually. That's a huge growth rate since China's overall population
(1.3 billion) is growing at about 0.6 percent annually. China's
constitution guarantees freedom of religious belief but requires all
religious organizations to register with the government. The
government brands those groups that do not register as "illegal" or
"cults."

Leaders face hardships
According to another source who asked not to be named, Deborah Xu was
arrested on Saturday, January 24, in Nanyang, Henan Province. Around
11p.m. Xu was sleeping on the second floor of her niece's home. Two
police officers entered the dwelling and locked the niece's
mother-in-law in another room. The officers located Xu, handcuffed
her, and took her into custody. Police also confiscated photos and
documents.

Xu, a leading figure in China's house churches, is the sister of Peter
Xu Yongze, founder of the "born-again" movement of house churches in
China with millions of followers. In recent years, police have
arrested Deborah Xu numerous times. But on this occasion, family
members and supporters have been unable to gain any information about
where she is being held, according to CT's source. Nanyang police have
not disclosed what charges she faces.

Peter Xu left China in 2000 to seek asylum in the West. He is
currently based in the Los Angeles area and is a leader in the new
Back to Jerusalem movement. This organization aims to use 100,000
Chinese evangelists and missionaries to spread the gospel westward
from China back to the city of Jerusalem.

In early February, Christianity Today interviewed Peter Xu and another
prominent house church leader, Liu Zhenying (better known as Brother
Yun). Both were in Washington during the annual National Prayer
Breakfast. Yun currently is based in Germany.

Xu said his family has been Christian for four generations. "I'm
extremely thankful that the Lord made my sister as my spiritual
partner. She was called by the Lord when she was 17 years old and
dedicated her whole life to the Lord." His sister made that commitment
along with a decision to remain unmarried.

"She serves as a beautiful example in the front lines. Brothers and
sisters [designate] her as a mother of the church." Her role includes
training house church leaders throughout China, especially other women
evangelists.

Police in China have arrested both Peter Xu and Brother Yun many
times. At age 17 in 1975, Yun was arrested for the first time. Police
publicly beat him alongside his mother, also an active Christian. Yun
told CT, "The fire of the Holy Spirit in my heart has never ceased in
spite of this beating with my mom. Immediately after I was released
from the detention center, I started preaching again."

Xu and Yun were in the same prison in 1997. Xu said one day he
discovered his cell door unlocked, which he attributes to a miracle.
He snuck into the corridor and over to Yun's cell, which could be
unlocked from the outside, and he walked inside.

"Our eyes just met each other," Xu recalled. "And I said, 'God wants
you to go.' So I ordered him to go and then I closed the door and he
left. I started praying, Lord, protect him and let him go." Although
he was severely injured from previous beatings and torture, Yun was
able to escape.

Within minutes, prison guards had discovered the escape and began
searching. But a winter storm started, allowing Yun to flee as guards
were searching for their rain gear. "I was completely relieved," Xu
said. "I know God used the rain and the snow as Yun's shelter. God has
performed a big miracle."

As Yun fled the prison, he thought he was in a dream. He walked up to
several iron doors and they opened before him. After he fled, Yun
sought asylum in the West. He has told his life story in The Heavenly
Man, published in 2002.

Controlling Religion in China
Yun told CT that Western Christians should understand better how
China's government seeks to suppress Christianity in China. He said
China has used its laws and administrative rules to stringently
control religious expression, organizations, publishing, and training.

He said, "I won't deny there are true born-again Christians inside the
[state-regulated] church. But the head of the house church is Jesus
Christ alone."

Yun said China uses propaganda to "blur the line between the orthodox
belief and those who only obey the Communist Party's command." In
addition, Yun said China uses "international propaganda" to mislead
Westerners and promote China's policy stance toward religion. He said
China also invites top Western Christian leaders to travel inside
China to see for themselves how Christians are allowed to run churches
openly, but that doesn't provide a full picture.

House-church sources told CT that the South China Church and its
leader, Pastor Gong Shengliang, is a powerful example of what happens
when church growth happens quickly, resulting in crippling state
scrutiny.

In 2001, China convicted Gong and other South China Church leaders for
operating a cult. They were sentenced to death. After an international
outcry, Gong was tried again, but on charges of raping women members
of his church. According to reliable reports, authorities took women
in custody and tortured them until they alleged Gong had raped them.
"One sister was beaten to death," Xu told CT. China has banned Gong's
church and he is in prison.

Xu said China's leaders hope to fracture house church groups any way
they can. "They tried to isolate one house-church group, now to single
them out. By doing that, they can divide house church unity. This
purpose is very obvious, very evil. We really prayed the eyesight, the
insight, the discernment of the eagle to really clearly see this trap
of Satan."

Copyright © 2004 Christianity Today


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------

Revelation 12:3-17 (NRSV)


3 Then another portent appeared in heaven: a great red dragon, with
seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail
swept down a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth.
Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child,
so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she
gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rulea all the nations
with a rod of iron. But her child was snatched away and taken to God
and to his throne; 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she
has a place prepared by God, so that there she can be nourished for
one thousand two hundred sixty days.

Michael Defeats the Dragon

7 And war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against
the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but they were
defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 The
great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the
Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world-he was thrown down to
the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, proclaiming,

"Now have come the salvation and the power

and the kingdom of our God

and the authority of his Messiah,b

for the accuser of our comradesc has been thrown down,

who accuses them day and night before our God.

11 But they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb

and by the word of their testimony,

for they did not cling to life even in the face of death.

12 Rejoice then, you heavens

and those who dwell in them!

But woe to the earth and the sea,

for the devil has come down to you

with great wrath,

because he knows that his time is short!"

The Dragon Fights Again on Earth

13 So when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth,
he pursuedd the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But
the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, so that she
could fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to her place where she
is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. 15 Then from his
mouth the serpent poured water like a river after the woman, to sweep
her away with the flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the
woman; it opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had
poured from his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was angry with the woman,
and went off to make war on the rest of her children, those who keep
the commandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus.


End times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:34:19 -0500, "Geoman" <Geomaan@yaaho.com
wrote:


"u2 fan" <aha@aha.aha> wrote in message news:c1dfq1$h46$1@sparta.btinternet.com...

Well the persecution is a sign of the pre-tribulation prior to the lords
return and their faith, it may get much worse as Lk 21v12 "before all this"

You say this as if this is the first time the church has seen this much 'tribulation'.
There is a book called Fox's book of the Martyrs, and another called Martyr's Mirror. In
them you will see that 'tribulation' and persecutions have been going on since the time of
Christ. So, why does current events make this the hour of 'tribulation'? Is it because we
now have nukes and they didn't? Is it because we now have mass communication now and it is
reported more or is there actually more persecution?

Dispensationalists have been saying the tribulation is 'at the door!" Jack VanImpe has
been changing his messages for over 30 years to keep up with current events to show how
close it is. I call this 'Headline" prophecy! Rubbish., we are to wait and expect the
Lord, as Paul stated, but this rubbish that the church is into now is disqusting!


You didn't quite clarify what "rubbish the church is into now..." I
agree to an extent, but what are YOU talking about?

I'm also one who believes we're in the Tribulation NOW. And I'm not
nutty enough to believe it's going to be 7 LITERAL years.

"THE GREAT TRIBULATION" was a part of history for it's prophesied 1260
literal year.

Well the persecution is a sign of the pre-tribulation prior to the lords
return and their faith, it may get much worse as Lk 21v12 "before all this"

"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:511a49a.0402230503.63225085@posting.google.com...

China Arrests Dozens of Prominent Christians
At least 50 detained in fresh crackdown on house churches, reportedly
promoted by new video and book releases.
By Timothy C. Morgan with David Neff in Washington, D.C. | posted
02/18/2004


China's Public Security Bureau has launched a new crackdown on
unregistered church leaders, arresting 50 or more people following the
release of a new video and book, documenting huge growth among
Christians outside the officially permitted church.

In mid-February, the China Aid Association confirmed that in January
police arrested three prominent Protestant leaders from Henan
province, including Qiao Chunling, 41, in Luoyang; Deborah Xu
Yongling, 58, in Nanyang; and Zeng Guangbo, 35, in Deng County.
Guangbo escaped two days after he was arrested, and remains in hiding.

The crackdown may last for 30 days and began during China's annual
National Religious Working Conference. This meeting brings together
top leaders of the state Religious Affairs Bureau and the
policy-making United Front Work Department. Both are charged with
oversight of religion in China.

During that meeting, communist leaders screened a new, four-hour
digital video, The Cross: Jesus in China. China Soul for Christ
Foundation of Petaluma, California, produced the series and Yuan
Zhiming, a pro-democracy leader and a Christian, wrote and directed
it.

Communist leaders were also briefed on Jesus in Beijing, a new book by
journalist David Aikman, formerly a Time magazine correspondent in
Beijing. Both the video and book document the stunning growth and
vibrancy of Christianity in China. The video has been classified as
"political matter," and Public Security Bureau officers are
confiscating CDV copies of the widely distributed series and other
Christian literature.

A source based in Hong Kong told CT that the crackdown will focus on
"the people mentioned in the video and the book" and may be as brutal
as the recent repression of Falun Gong. China's actions against Falun
Gong, a traditionalist sect that emphasizes meditation, resulted in
many arrests, imprisonments, beatings, and deaths. A New York-based
watchdog group reported that 64 Falun Gong practitioners have died
after being tortured inside China since November 2003.

"They will especially hunt those in Beijing," the source said. "It
took them by surprise that there were so many Christians in China.
Every week pastors are arrested and thrown in jail. The communists see
Christians as a threat because there are [more] Christians than Party
members."

According to experts, estimates of the total number of Christians
varies widely from 30 million to 100 million. The
government-registered Christian church (Three Self Patriotic Movement)
includes about 28 million followers. There may be as many as 80
million Christians in unregistered congregations. According to
Operation World, independent Christian congregations, mostly
evangelical and charismatic, are growing at a rate of 9 percent
annually. That's a huge growth rate since China's overall population
(1.3 billion) is growing at about 0.6 percent annually. China's
constitution guarantees freedom of religious belief but requires all
religious organizations to register with the government. The
government brands those groups that do not register as "illegal" or
"cults."

Leaders face hardships
According to another source who asked not to be named, Deborah Xu was
arrested on Saturday, January 24, in Nanyang, Henan Province. Around
11p.m. Xu was sleeping on the second floor of her niece's home. Two
police officers entered the dwelling and locked the niece's
mother-in-law in another room. The officers located Xu, handcuffed
her, and took her into custody. Police also confiscated photos and
documents.

Xu, a leading figure in China's house churches, is the sister of Peter
Xu Yongze, founder of the "born-again" movement of house churches in
China with millions of followers. In recent years, police have
arrested Deborah Xu numerous times. But on this occasion, family
members and supporters have been unable to gain any information about
where she is being held, according to CT's source. Nanyang police have
not disclosed what charges she faces.

Peter Xu left China in 2000 to seek asylum in the West. He is
currently based in the Los Angeles area and is a leader in the new
Back to Jerusalem movement. This organization aims to use 100,000
Chinese evangelists and missionaries to spread the gospel westward
from China back to the city of Jerusalem.

In early February, Christianity Today interviewed Peter Xu and another
prominent house church leader, Liu Zhenying (better known as Brother
Yun). Both were in Washington during the annual National Prayer
Breakfast. Yun currently is based in Germany.

Xu said his family has been Christian for four generations. "I'm
extremely thankful that the Lord made my sister as my spiritual
partner. She was called by the Lord when she was 17 years old and
dedicated her whole life to the Lord." His sister made that commitment
along with a decision to remain unmarried.

"She serves as a beautiful example in the front lines. Brothers and
sisters [designate] her as a mother of the church." Her role includes
training house church leaders throughout China, especially other women
evangelists.

Police in China have arrested both Peter Xu and Brother Yun many
times. At age 17 in 1975, Yun was arrested for the first time. Police
publicly beat him alongside his mother, also an active Christian. Yun
told CT, "The fire of the Holy Spirit in my heart has never ceased in
spite of this beating with my mom. Immediately after I was released
from the detention center, I started preaching again."

Xu and Yun were in the same prison in 1997. Xu said one day he
discovered his cell door unlocked, which he attributes to a miracle.
He snuck into the corridor and over to Yun's cell, which could be
unlocked from the outside, and he walked inside.

"Our eyes just met each other," Xu recalled. "And I said, 'God wants
you to go.' So I ordered him to go and then I closed the door and he
left. I started praying, Lord, protect him and let him go." Although
he was severely injured from previous beatings and torture, Yun was
able to escape.

Within minutes, prison guards had discovered the escape and began
searching. But a winter storm started, allowing Yun to flee as guards
were searching for their rain gear. "I was completely relieved," Xu
said. "I know God used the rain and the snow as Yun's shelter. God has
performed a big miracle."

As Yun fled the prison, he thought he was in a dream. He walked up to
several iron doors and they opened before him. After he fled, Yun
sought asylum in the West. He has told his life story in The Heavenly
Man, published in 2002.

Controlling Religion in China
Yun told CT that Western Christians should understand better how
China's government seeks to suppress Christianity in China. He said
China has used its laws and administrative rules to stringently
control religious expression, organizations, publishing, and training.

He said, "I won't deny there are true born-again Christians inside the
[state-regulated] church. But the head of the house church is Jesus
Christ alone."

Yun said China uses propaganda to "blur the line between the orthodox
belief and those who only obey the Communist Party's command." In
addition, Yun said China uses "international propaganda" to mislead
Westerners and promote China's policy stance toward religion. He said
China also invites top Western Christian leaders to travel inside
China to see for themselves how Christians are allowed to run churches
openly, but that doesn't provide a full picture.

House-church sources told CT that the South China Church and its
leader, Pastor Gong Shengliang, is a powerful example of what happens
when church growth happens quickly, resulting in crippling state
scrutiny.

In 2001, China convicted Gong and other South China Church leaders for
operating a cult. They were sentenced to death. After an international
outcry, Gong was tried again, but on charges of raping women members
of his church. According to reliable reports, authorities took women
in custody and tortured them until they alleged Gong had raped them.
"One sister was beaten to death," Xu told CT. China has banned Gong's
church and he is in prison.

Xu said China's leaders hope to fracture house church groups any way
they can. "They tried to isolate one house-church group, now to single
them out. By doing that, they can divide house church unity. This
purpose is very obvious, very evil. We really prayed the eyesight, the
insight, the discernment of the eagle to really clearly see this trap
of Satan."

Copyright © 2004 Christianity Today


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

--------

Revelation 12:3-17 (NRSV)


3 Then another portent appeared in heaven: a great red dragon, with
seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail
swept down a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth.
Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child,
so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she
gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rulea all the nations
with a rod of iron. But her child was snatched away and taken to God
and to his throne; 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she
has a place prepared by God, so that there she can be nourished for
one thousand two hundred sixty days.

Michael Defeats the Dragon

7 And war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against
the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but they were
defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 The
great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the
Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world-he was thrown down to
the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, proclaiming,

"Now have come the salvation and the power

and the kingdom of our God

and the authority of his Messiah,b

for the accuser of our comradesc has been thrown down,

who accuses them day and night before our God.

11 But they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb

and by the word of their testimony,

for they did not cling to life even in the face of death.

12 Rejoice then, you heavens

and those who dwell in them!

But woe to the earth and the sea,

for the devil has come down to you

with great wrath,

because he knows that his time is short!"

The Dragon Fights Again on Earth

13 So when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth,
he pursuedd the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But
the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, so that she
could fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to her place where she
is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. 15 Then from his
mouth the serpent poured water like a river after the woman, to sweep
her away with the flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the
woman; it opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had
poured from his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was angry with the woman,
and went off to make war on the rest of her children, those who keep
the commandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus.


End times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/

Now they are back to persecuting Jews.

A few years ago they persecuted anyone who read fictional books about witchcraft and
wizardry.