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Caiaphas
Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 1:53 pm
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Is it simply Fundamentalist "hate" that denies that Muslims worship the same God
as Christians?

Saturday November 22, 2003
WASHINGTON - Evangelical Christian leaders expressed dismay yesterday over
President Bush's statement that Christians and Muslims worship the same God,
saying it had caused discomfort within his conservative religious base.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001798343_bushgod22.html



Our Methodist Book of Resolutions seems to imply that the God of Islam is the
God of Christianity like the God of Judaism. Course, we Christians believe we
have the 'correct' revelation via Jesus Christ. Ditto for those of Islam and
Judaism.

The December 2001 issue of National Geographic is titled "Abraham - Father of
Three Faiths".

Anyone who would just do some cursory study can see that the foundation of all
three of these faiths have common ground.

So, can we just assume that this "fundamentalist claim" is nothing but a
outright showing of their hate, prejudice, bigotry, and inherent dislike for
people that are different than they are?

Perhaps, Fundamentalist like these ought to note that Jesus is most revered in
Christianity and Islam but not at all in Judaism. Yet they want to vilify
anything associated with Arabs. Perhaps this hatred and bigotry of Arabs is
long seated in secular events because of OIL and has polluted our Religion.
Didn't Jesus reprimand the ancient Pharisees because they held their
'traditions' above the Word of God?
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AnonMoos
Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:25 pm
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Part of it is just self-inflicted bad PR -- Muslims often insist on
using the Arabic word "Allah" in place of the ordinary word for "God"
in non-Arabic languages (and not merely as a supplemental epithet
accompanying the ordinary word for "God", as Christian "Lord" is used
for example).

--
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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Caiaphas
Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:53 pm
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So what is wrong with calling God "Allah"?
Many Christians in the Middle East use "Allah" to refer to God.
Perhaps its more our bigotry toward Arabs and Arab Culture that makes the word
"Allah" offensive.






"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message news:3FC25B47.3B8C0811@io.com...
Quote:
Part of it is just self-inflicted bad PR -- Muslims often insist on
using the Arabic word "Allah" in place of the ordinary word for "God"
in non-Arabic languages (and not merely as a supplemental epithet
accompanying the ordinary word for "God", as Christian "Lord" is used
for example).
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Libertarius
Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:47 pm
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Not even Christians do all "worship the same God".
"GOD" is a HUMAN IDEA.
Scratch the surface and you find as many different ideas of
"GOD" as there are sects and denominations.
More than that: since each believer is a unique individual,
there are as many "GODS" as there are believers.
It just so happens that they use the same word for designate
their private deities.

Libertarius
============

AnonMoos wrote:

Quote:
Part of it is just self-inflicted bad PR -- Muslims often insist on
using the Arabic word "Allah" in place of the ordinary word for "God"
in non-Arabic languages (and not merely as a supplemental epithet
accompanying the ordinary word for "God", as Christian "Lord" is used
for example).

--
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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AnonMoos
Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:49 pm
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Caiaphas wrote:
Quote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message news:3FC25B47.3B8C0811@io.com...

Part of it is just self-inflicted bad PR -- Muslims often insist on
using the Arabic word "Allah" in place of the ordinary word for
"God" in non-Arabic languages (and not merely as a supplemental
epithet accompanying the ordinary word for "God", as Christian
"Lord" is used for example).

So what is wrong with calling God "Allah"?

There's nothing necessarily "wrong" with this practice in the abstract,
but one real-world result is that many non-Muslims who don't know any
Arabic will end up having a vague impression that this "Allah" that
they hear Muslims talking about is different from the "God" whom they
themselves worship.

Quote:
Many Christians in the Middle East use "Allah" to refer to God.

The Arabic-speaking ones do -- but they don't export the word for use
in non-Arabic-speaking contexts.

Quote:
Perhaps its more our bigotry toward Arabs and Arab Culture

You never worry about bigotry toward Jews and Jewish Culture, so why
this sudden switch from callous insensitivity to princess-and-the-pea
hypersensitivity? Seems mighty inconsistent of you, Caffey-baby!

--
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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Caiaphas
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:27 am
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"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message news:3FC29908.6CC509EB@io.com...
Quote:
Caiaphas wrote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
news:3FC25B47.3B8C0811@io.com...

Part of it is just self-inflicted bad PR -- Muslims often insist on
using the Arabic word "Allah" in place of the ordinary word for
"God" in non-Arabic languages (and not merely as a supplemental
epithet accompanying the ordinary word for "God", as Christian
"Lord" is used for example).

So what is wrong with calling God "Allah"?

There's nothing necessarily "wrong" with this practice in the abstract,
but one real-world result is that many non-Muslims who don't know any
Arabic will end up having a vague impression that this "Allah" that
they hear Muslims talking about is different from the "God" whom they
themselves worship.

Many Christians in the Middle East use "Allah" to refer to God.

The Arabic-speaking ones do -- but they don't export the word for use
in non-Arabic-speaking contexts.

Perhaps its more our bigotry toward Arabs and Arab Culture

You never worry about bigotry toward Jews and Jewish Culture, so why
this sudden switch from callous insensitivity to princess-and-the-pea
hypersensitivity? Seems mighty inconsistent of you, Caffey-baby!


There is less bigotry toward Jews and Jewish Culture than there is with Muslims
and Arabic Culture.
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AnonMoos
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:20 pm
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Caiaphas wrote:
Quote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message news:3FC29908.6CC509EB@io.com...
Caiaphas wrote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message news:3FC25B47.3B8C0811@io.com...

Part of it is just self-inflicted bad PR -- Muslims often insist
on using the Arabic word "Allah" in place of the ordinary word
for "God" in non-Arabic languages (and not merely as a
supplemental epithet accompanying the ordinary word for "God", as
Christian "Lord" is used for example).

So what is wrong with calling God "Allah"?

There's nothing necessarily "wrong" with this practice in the
abstract, but one real-world result is that many non-Muslims who
don't know any Arabic will end up having a vague impression that
this "Allah" that they hear Muslims talking about is different from
the "God" whom they themselves worship.

Many Christians in the Middle East use "Allah" to refer to God.

The Arabic-speaking ones do -- but they don't export the word for
use in non-Arabic-speaking contexts.

Perhaps its more our bigotry toward Arabs and Arab Culture

You never worry about bigotry toward Jews and Jewish Culture, so
why this sudden switch from callous insensitivity to
princess-and-the-pea hypersensitivity? Seems mighty inconsistent
of you, Caffey-baby!

There is less bigotry toward Jews and Jewish Culture than there is
with Muslims and Arabic Culture.

I don't know that that's true (and for the purposes of this thread, I
don't care whether it's true or not) -- the real point is that you
feel free to show raw naked bigotry and hatred towards Jews, while at
the same time being diligent in sniffing out any fancied or imagined
minor slights against Muslims. When it comes to "hate", maybe you
should take care of the beam in your own eye first, Caffey!

--
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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Caiaphas
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:43 pm
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"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message news:3FC36517.8857917E@io.com...
Quote:
Caiaphas wrote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
news:3FC29908.6CC509EB@io.com...
Caiaphas wrote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
news:3FC25B47.3B8C0811@io.com...

Part of it is just self-inflicted bad PR -- Muslims often insist
on using the Arabic word "Allah" in place of the ordinary word
for "God" in non-Arabic languages (and not merely as a
supplemental epithet accompanying the ordinary word for "God", as
Christian "Lord" is used for example).

So what is wrong with calling God "Allah"?

There's nothing necessarily "wrong" with this practice in the
abstract, but one real-world result is that many non-Muslims who
don't know any Arabic will end up having a vague impression that
this "Allah" that they hear Muslims talking about is different from
the "God" whom they themselves worship.

Many Christians in the Middle East use "Allah" to refer to God.

The Arabic-speaking ones do -- but they don't export the word for
use in non-Arabic-speaking contexts.

Perhaps its more our bigotry toward Arabs and Arab Culture

You never worry about bigotry toward Jews and Jewish Culture, so
why this sudden switch from callous insensitivity to
princess-and-the-pea hypersensitivity? Seems mighty inconsistent
of you, Caffey-baby!

There is less bigotry toward Jews and Jewish Culture than there is
with Muslims and Arabic Culture.

I don't know that that's true (and for the purposes of this thread, I
don't care whether it's true or not) -- the real point is that you
feel free to show raw naked bigotry and hatred towards Jews, while at
the same time being diligent in sniffing out any fancied or imagined
minor slights against Muslims. When it comes to "hate", maybe you
should take care of the beam in your own eye first, Caffey!


Speaking of bigotry, AnusMoose, you are a rabid anti-Arabic hater. All you seem
to do is consistently paint Arabs as evil and Israelis as holy.
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AnonMoos
Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 4:10 pm
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"Caiaphas" <Nyquist314159@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message news:3FC36517.8857917E@io.com...
Caiaphas wrote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message news:3FC29908.6CC509EB@io.com...
Caiaphas wrote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message news:3FC25B47.3B8C0811@io.com...

Part of it is just self-inflicted bad PR -- Muslims often
insist on using the Arabic word "Allah" in place of the
ordinary word for "God" in non-Arabic languages (and not merely
as a supplemental epithet accompanying the ordinary word for
"God", as Christian "Lord" is used for example).

So what is wrong with calling God "Allah"?

There's nothing necessarily "wrong" with this practice in the
abstract, but one real-world result is that many non-Muslims who
don't know any Arabic will end up having a vague impression that
this "Allah" that they hear Muslims talking about is different
from the "God" whom they themselves worship.

Many Christians in the Middle East use "Allah" to refer to God.

The Arabic-speaking ones do -- but they don't export the word for
use in non-Arabic-speaking contexts.

Perhaps its more our bigotry toward Arabs and Arab Culture

You never worry about bigotry toward Jews and Jewish Culture, so
why this sudden switch from callous insensitivity to
princess-and-the-pea hypersensitivity? Seems mighty inconsistent
of you, Caffey-baby!

There is less bigotry toward Jews and Jewish Culture than there is
with Muslims and Arabic Culture.

I don't know that that's true (and for the purposes of this thread,
I don't care whether it's true or not) -- the real point is that
you feel free to show raw naked bigotry and hatred towards Jews,
while at the same time being diligent in sniffing out any fancied
or imagined minor slights against Muslims. When it comes to
"hate", maybe you should take care of the beam in your own eye
first, Caffey!

Speaking of bigotry, AnusMoose, you are a rabid anti-Arabic hater.

The difference between you and me, Caffey-baby is that you go around
posting messages such as "When the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is
fully understood, who would even want to be called a Jew .... ?" --
see link http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ZKUAa.381%24Rm2.24349%40eagle.america.net --
while I _DON'T_ go around posting messages with titles such as "When
9/11 is fully understood, who would even want to be called a
Muslim/Arab?" or whatever. I also don't go around telling Muslims
that their religion has been theologically invalidated.

Just look at the difference between our pseudonyms -- you chose the
pseudonym "Caiaphas" for the sole and exclusive purpose of expressing
your bigotry and "odium theoligcum" against Jews, while my alias
doesn't express any religious or political opinion.

Quote:
All you seem to do is consistently paint Arabs as evil and Israelis
as holy.

No I don't -- I don't believe that, and I don't say that. What I do
say very freely and without any hesitation is that I'll have a lot
more sympathy for Arabs once they start getting their own act
together, and stop blaming all their problems on others.

--
SAUDIA OMNIS IN PARTES TRES DIVIDENDA EST! Free Arabia by
splitting the Saudi tyranny into its three natural parts:
Hejaz-alHarameyn, Nejd-Wahhabistan, and Gulf-Petrolia.
Murderers are not Martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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