On Nov 5, 11:32 am, "jwsheffi... at (no spam) satx.rr.com"
jwsheffi... at (no spam) satx.rr.com> wrote:
Chalcedonian Creed
An ancient creed about the Trinity and Jesus Christ.

Circa 451 A.D.

Therefore, following the holy fathers, we all with one accord teach
men to acknowledge one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, at
once complete in Godhead and complete in manhood, truly God and truly
man, consisting also of a reasonable soul and body; of one substance
with the Father as regards his Godhead, and at the same time of one
substance with us as regards his manhood; like us in all respects,
apart from sin; as regards his Godhead, begotten of the Father before
the ages, but yet as regards his manhood begotten, for us men and for
our salvation, of Mary the Virgin, the God-bearer; one and the same
Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, recognized in two natures, without
confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the
distinction of natures being in no way annulled by the union, but
rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming
together to form one person and subsistence, not as parted or
separated into two persons, but one and the same Son and Only-begotten
God the Word, Lord Jesus Christ; even as the prophets from earliest
times spoke of him, and our Lord Jesus Christ himself taught us, and
the creed of the fathers has handed down to us.

 http://www.apuritansmind.com/Creeds/ChalcedonianCreed.htm

Changing the subject in this thread as well, why don;t you start your
own post with the subject of your choice.
This changing the topic is really bad manners and destroys a thread
that people other than yourself may be following,
It is the kind things people do in fascist dictatorships,

On Nov 5, 6:05 pm, "jwsheffi... at (no spam) satx.rr.com" <jwsheffi... at (no spam) satx.rr.com
wrote:
On Nov 5, 2:59 pm, Michael James <michaelrja... at (no spam) videotron.ca> wrote:

On Nov 5, 11:32 am, "jwsheffi... at (no spam) satx.rr.com"

jwsheffi... at (no spam) satx.rr.com> wrote:
Chalcedonian Creed
An ancient creed about the Trinity and Jesus Christ.

Circa 451 A.D.

Therefore, following the holy fathers, we all with one accord teach
men to acknowledge one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, at
once complete in Godhead and complete in manhood, truly God and truly
man, consisting also of a reasonable soul and body; of one substance
with the Father as regards his Godhead, and at the same time of one
substance with us as regards his manhood; like us in all respects,
apart from sin; as regards his Godhead, begotten of the Father before
the ages, but yet as regards his manhood begotten, for us men and for
our salvation, of Mary the Virgin, the God-bearer; one and the same
Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, recognized in two natures, without
confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the
distinction of natures being in no way annulled by the union, but
rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming
together to form one person and subsistence, not as parted or
separated into two persons, but one and the same Son and Only-begotten
God the Word, Lord Jesus Christ; even as the prophets from earliest
times spoke of him, and our Lord Jesus Christ himself taught us, and
the creed of the fathers has handed down to us.

 http://www.apuritansmind.com/Creeds/ChalcedonianCreed.htm

Changing the subject in this thread as well, why don;t you start your
own post with the subject of your choice.
This changing the topic is really bad manners and destroys a  thread
that people other than yourself may be following,
It is the kind things people do in fascist dictatorships,- Hide quoted text -

  I was giving snowjob Christian theology
  on the person of Christ.
   Instead of defending orthodox Chyristianity
  you defend hersy. I guess you hate me more
  than you love Christ.

  Jim

  Col 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the
            fulness of the Godhead bodily.

I defend freedom of speech (something you give lipservice to) and it
is not for you to judge others.

you really don'y get.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT CREED OF CALCEFON START A THREAD ABOUT IT,
STOP CHANGING THE NAMES OF THREADS

On Nov 5, 6:05 pm, "jwsheffi... at (no spam) satx.rr.com" <jwsheffi... at (no spam) satx.rr.com
wrote:
On Nov 5, 2:59 pm, Michael James <michaelrja... at (no spam) videotron.ca> wrote:

On Nov 5, 11:32 am, "jwsheffi... at (no spam) satx.rr.com"
jwsheffi... at (no spam) satx.rr.com> wrote:
Chalcedonian Creed
An ancient creed about the Trinity and Jesus Christ.
Circa 451 A.D.
Therefore, following the holy fathers, we all with one accord teach
men to acknowledge one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, at
once complete in Godhead and complete in manhood, truly God and truly
man, consisting also of a reasonable soul and body; of one substance
with the Father as regards his Godhead, and at the same time of one
substance with us as regards his manhood; like us in all respects,
apart from sin; as regards his Godhead, begotten of the Father before
the ages, but yet as regards his manhood begotten, for us men and for
our salvation, of Mary the Virgin, the God-bearer; one and the same
Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, recognized in two natures, without
confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the
distinction of natures being in no way annulled by the union, but
rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming
together to form one person and subsistence, not as parted or
separated into two persons, but one and the same Son and Only-begotten
God the Word, Lord Jesus Christ; even as the prophets from earliest
times spoke of him, and our Lord Jesus Christ himself taught us, and
the creed of the fathers has handed down to us.
http://www.apuritansmind.com/Creeds/ChalcedonianCreed.htm
Changing the subject in this thread as well, why don;t you start your
own post with the subject of your choice.
This changing the topic is really bad manners and destroys a thread
that people other than yourself may be following,
It is the kind things people do in fascist dictatorships,- Hide quoted text -
I was giving snowjob Christian theology
on the person of Christ.
Instead of defending orthodox Chyristianity
you defend hersy. I guess you hate me more
than you love Christ.

Jim

Col 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the
fulness of the Godhead bodily.

I defend freedom of speech (something you give lipservice to) and it
is not for you to judge others.

"guardian Snow" <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote in message

news:91e9550d-0d28-4b97-889d-94e0edd3356f at (no spam) x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

'Guardian Snow' wrote:

'He does this because of FEAR.  He is afraid of people of his faith
asking, "If Jesus was DEAD, who raised him?" '
============================================
Jesus Christ said:

'Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might
take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have
power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment
have I received of my Father.' (John 10:17,18)

John Cooper

Michael James wrote:

I defend freedom of speech (something you give lipservice to) and it
is not for you to judge others.

Why not, Michael? After all, you just treated us to a view of your
judgments of Jim's actions.

I would point out that the first distinction is here in his statement
that he is the "Son of Man/Adam".  YAHWEH is the creator of man, not
the Son.

Snow, the Son is the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity.  I believe you call the
Holy Trinity as Yahweh.

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.

I would point out to you that John 3 does not say what you think it
reads, in my opinion. I will explain this other view to you but I
realize you do not except my point of view.

Joh 3:13 “And no one has gone up into the heaven except He who came
down from the heaven – the Son of Ad?am.

I would point out that the first distinction is here in his statement
that he is the "Son of Man/Adam". YAHWEH is the creator of man, not
the Son.

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:48:01 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.

God.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:48:01 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.

God.

On Nov 7, 10:42 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:48:01 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.

God.

If you are one with the spirit, does that make you God?  Or would you
teach that one can't manifest the spirit?  When the Messiah breathed
his spirit on his disciples, did that make them God?

On Nov 6, 7:11 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote:

On Nov 7, 10:42 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:48:01 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.

God.

If you are one with the spirit, does that make you God?  Or would you
teach that one can't manifest the spirit?  When the Messiah breathed
his spirit on his disciples, did that make them God?

He made them partakers of the divine nature. But it was his to give
because he himself had it from the beginning. He had the Spirit
without measure. there is a difference between a partaker and one who
has all of it.

On Nov 7, 1:02 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:





On Nov 6, 7:11 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote:

On Nov 7, 10:42 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:48:01 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.

God.

If you are one with the spirit, does that make you God?  Or would you
teach that one can't manifest the spirit?  When the Messiah breathed
his spirit on his disciples, did that make them God?

He made them partakers of the divine nature. But it was his to give
because he himself had it from the beginning. He had the Spirit
without measure. there is a difference between a partaker and one who > > has all of it.

So, since it was "his to give" then nobody else could give it because
nobody comes to him except from him, right.  After all, you teach the
Son is his own Father.

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.