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Joseki...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:12 am
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Many who affirm to be Christians says yes..


http://www.watchtower.org/e/20080101a/article_01.htm
 
VoiceOfReason...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:58 am
Guest
On Nov 3, 1:12 pm, Joseki <jabriol2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Many who affirm to be Christians says yes..

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20080101a/article_01.htm

Most Christians believe that the two are compatible, regardless of
what creationists would have you believe.

The Clergy Letter Project
http://www.butler.edu/clergyproject/Christian_Clergy/ChrClergyLtr.htm

"...We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different
traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the
discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that
the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that
has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human
knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it
as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific
ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children..."

Essay: Evolution for Christians
http://community.berea.edu/scienceandfaith/essay05.asp

God and Evolution
http://ncse.com/religion/god-evolution
 
Bill M...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:23 am
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"Joseki" <jabriol2000 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Many who affirm to be Christians says yes..

It makes no difference. Just like Aesop's Fables the Bibles are nothing more
than ancient books of myths and fables!

> http://www.watchtower.org/e/20080101a/article_01.htm
 
IlBeBauck at (no spam) gmail.com...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:36 pm
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On Nov 3, 12:12 pm, Joseki <jabriol2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Many who affirm to be Christians says yes..

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20080101a/article_01.htm

Depends what TYPE of evolution you are talking about ; if its
Darwinnian (Macro) Evolution where first life started out as a one
celled Pond Protozoa and thru ions of time, chances, and
accidents...worked its way up to a 206 bone human being having over 60
major anatomical systems all working collaboratively and balancing
each other .... then absolutely not. God said how he created man, and
that is in Genesis 2 whereby man was made FULLY formed and FULLY
functioning . Darwinnian Evolution was only a desperate theory so
God could be discounted , of which there is absolutely no evidence. In
fact, it violates known laws of science. If its MICRO
evolution...then yes, God allowed for this to take place which gives
us the variation within a family -- The Bible indicates this and
science has shown this to be true. To get truth, one should consult
The Bible first because sooner or later, modern science has confirmed
it to be true or is in the process of doing so .
 
haiku jones...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:56 pm
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On Nov 3, 4:36 pm, "IlBeBa... at (no spam) gmail.com" <ilbeba... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 3, 12:12 pm, Joseki <jabriol2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Many who affirm to be Christians says yes..

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20080101a/article_01.htm

Depends what TYPE of evolution you are talking about ;  if its
Darwinnian (Macro) Evolution  where first life started out as a one
celled Pond Protozoa

This being, of course, something Darwin never said...


Quote:
and thru ions of time,

HOLY SHIT! Scientists can ionize time itself now?
Geez, where did they do that? The Large Hadron
Collider, no doubt. Well, I warned them and I warned
them, but would they listen to me? Noooooo.

Quote:
chances, and
accidents...worked its way up to a 206 bone human being

Is that all? Shucks, some snakets have five hundred
vertebrae alone. God must have put more work into
the serpent.

Quote:
having over 60
major anatomical systems

Really? Bet you can't list even half
of that number:












Quote:
all working collaboratively  and balancing
each other .... then absolutely not.  God said how he created man, and
that is in Genesis 2  whereby man was made FULLY formed and FULLY
functioning .

And God liked doing that so much that he did it twice, as is
clear from even a casual reading of the first two chapters.



Quote:
  Darwinnian Evolution was only a desperate theory so
God could be discounted , of which there is absolutely no evidence. In
fact, it violates known laws of science

Which fact is apparently unknown to most known
scientists.

Which "known laws" do you have in mind, by the way?




Quote:
.   If its MICRO
evolution...then yes, God allowed for this to take place which gives
us the variation within a family


Hey, I've got a MICRO evolution question for ya: how did
humans manage to micro it, in just a few thousand years,
starting with eight Semites and ending up with Japanese, Zulus,
Swedes, Pygmies, Ainu, Australian Aborigines, Navajos,
Eskimos, Terra del Fuegans, and the entire rainbow
spectrum of humans we have today?


Oh, and before I forget? You still owe me that
list of "over 250 razor-sharp physical constants"


Haiku Jones




Quote:
-- The Bible indicates this and
science has shown this to be true.   To get truth, one should consult
The Bible first because sooner or later, modern science has confirmed
it to be true or is in the process of doing so .
 
Ken...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:55 pm
Guest
Quote the Raven1: "Seriously, I've been on Usenet
for 13 years, and you have to be the dumbest, most ignorant person
I've run across in that time"

I've found the Watchtower to be rather handy when lighting campfires
or fireplaces logs
 
VoiceOfReason...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:04 pm
Guest
On Nov 3, 6:36 pm, "IlBeBa... at (no spam) gmail.com" <ilbeba... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 3, 12:12 pm, Joseki <jabriol2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Many who affirm to be Christians says yes..

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20080101a/article_01.htm

Depends what TYPE of evolution you are talking about ;  if its
Darwinnian (Macro) Evolution  where first life started out as a one
celled Pond Protozoa and thru ions of time, chances, and
accidents...worked its way up to a 206 bone human being having over 60
major anatomical systems all working collaboratively  and balancing
each other .... then absolutely not.  God said how he created man, and
that is in Genesis 2  whereby man was made FULLY formed and FULLY
functioning .   Darwinnian Evolution was only a desperate theory so
God could be discounted , of which there is absolutely no evidence. In
fact, it violates known laws of science.   If its MICRO
evolution...then yes, God allowed for this to take place which gives
us the variation within a family -- The Bible indicates this and
science has shown this to be true.   To get truth, one should consult
The Bible first because sooner or later, modern science has confirmed
it to be true or is in the process of doing so .

Fortunately, most Christians don't follow this sort of ignorant
nonsense.
 
IlBeBauck at (no spam) gmail.com...
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:26 am
Guest
On Nov 3, 5:56 pm, haiku jones <575jo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 3, 4:36 pm, "IlBeBa... at (no spam) gmail.com" <ilbeba... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 3, 12:12 pm, Joseki <jabriol2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Many who affirm to be Christians says yes..

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20080101a/article_01.htm

Depends what TYPE of evolution you are talking about ;  if its
Darwinnian (Macro) Evolution  where first life started out as a one
celled Pond Protozoa

This being, of course, something Darwin never said...

 and thru ions of time,

HOLY SHIT!  Scientists can ionize time itself now?
Geez, where did they do that?  The Large Hadron
Collider, no doubt.  Well, I warned them and I warned
them, but would they listen to me?  Noooooo.

 chances, and
accidents...worked its way up to a 206 bone human being

Is that all?  Shucks, some snakets have five hundred
vertebrae alone.  God must have put more work into
the serpent.

 having over 60
major anatomical systems

Really?  Bet you can't list even half
of that number:

 all working collaboratively  and balancing
each other .... then absolutely not.  God said how he created man, and
that is in Genesis 2  whereby man was made FULLY formed and FULLY
functioning .

And God liked doing that so much that he did it twice, as is
clear from even a casual reading of the first two chapters.

  Darwinnian Evolution was only a desperate theory so
God could be discounted , of which there is absolutely no evidence. In
fact, it violates known laws of science

Which fact is apparently unknown to most known
scientists.

Which "known laws" do you have in mind, by the way?

.   If its MICRO
evolution...then yes, God allowed for this to take place which gives
us the variation within a family

Hey, I've got a MICRO evolution question for ya:  how did
humans manage to micro it, in just a few thousand years,
starting with eight Semites and ending up with Japanese, Zulus,
Swedes, Pygmies, Ainu,  Australian Aborigines, Navajos,
Eskimos,  Terra del Fuegans, and the entire rainbow
spectrum of humans we have today?

Oh, and before I forget?  You still owe me that
list of "over 250 razor-sharp physical constants"

Haiku Jones



-- The Bible indicates this and
science has shown this to be true.   To get truth, one should consult
The Bible first because sooner or later, modern science has confirmed
it to be true or is in the process of doing so .- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If youre really interested in your questions particularly a young
earth, the fallacy of Carbon 14 Dating , etc..., Id like to suggest
you visit www.answersingenesis.org which will sufficiently answer
all of them. For the approx. 250 razor edge Physics Constants
whereby some are to the 120th decimal point precision and all are
needed for our Cosmos s0 earth to be here, visit www.reasons.org
and youll be amazed at the DESIGN and ENGINEERING of them. As for all
other quieries on the Christian Faith and especially on the enormous
faith an atheist must force himself to have so he can discount an
intelligent personal Creator (which even Dawkins admitted to there
being) ....thereby delaying moral accountability , visit www.impactapologetics.com
.. I could give you the answers to your questions but its going to
have far greater impact on you 'since all you need to believe in and
follow God is the evidence ; if only there were evidence Id bow my
knee to God ' .
 
Ken...
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:04 am
Guest
On Nov 4, 6:26 am, "IlBeBa... at (no spam) gmail.com" <ilbeba... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
The same stupid creatioNUT crap, just on a different stupid day


Quote the Raven1: "Seriously, I've been on Usenet
for 13 years, and you have to be the dumbest, most ignorant person
I've run across in that time
 
VoiceOfReason...
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:13 am
Guest
On Nov 4, 9:26 am, "IlBeBa... at (no spam) gmail.com" <ilbeba... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 3, 5:56 pm, haiku jones <575jo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:



On Nov 3, 4:36 pm, "IlBeBa... at (no spam) gmail.com" <ilbeba... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 3, 12:12 pm, Joseki <jabriol2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Many who affirm to be Christians says yes..

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20080101a/article_01.htm

Depends what TYPE of evolution you are talking about ;  if its
Darwinnian (Macro) Evolution  where first life started out as a one
celled Pond Protozoa

This being, of course, something Darwin never said...

 and thru ions of time,

HOLY SHIT!  Scientists can ionize time itself now?
Geez, where did they do that?  The Large Hadron
Collider, no doubt.  Well, I warned them and I warned
them, but would they listen to me?  Noooooo.

 chances, and
accidents...worked its way up to a 206 bone human being

Is that all?  Shucks, some snakets have five hundred
vertebrae alone.  God must have put more work into
the serpent.

 having over 60
major anatomical systems

Really?  Bet you can't list even half
of that number:

 all working collaboratively  and balancing
each other .... then absolutely not.  God said how he created man, and
that is in Genesis 2  whereby man was made FULLY formed and FULLY
functioning .

And God liked doing that so much that he did it twice, as is
clear from even a casual reading of the first two chapters.

  Darwinnian Evolution was only a desperate theory so
God could be discounted , of which there is absolutely no evidence. In
fact, it violates known laws of science

Which fact is apparently unknown to most known
scientists.

Which "known laws" do you have in mind, by the way?

.   If its MICRO
evolution...then yes, God allowed for this to take place which gives
us the variation within a family

Hey, I've got a MICRO evolution question for ya:  how did
humans manage to micro it, in just a few thousand years,
starting with eight Semites and ending up with Japanese, Zulus,
Swedes, Pygmies, Ainu,  Australian Aborigines, Navajos,
Eskimos,  Terra del Fuegans, and the entire rainbow
spectrum of humans we have today?

Oh, and before I forget?  You still owe me that
list of "over 250 razor-sharp physical constants"

Haiku Jones

-- The Bible indicates this and
science has shown this to be true.   To get truth, one should consult
The Bible first because sooner or later, modern science has confirmed
it to be true or is in the process of doing so .- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If youre really interested in your questions particularly a young
earth, the fallacy of Carbon 14 Dating , etc...,  Id like to suggest
you visitwww.answersingenesis.org  which will sufficiently answer
all of them.   For the approx. 250  razor edge Physics Constants
whereby some are to the 120th decimal point precision  and all are
needed  for our Cosmos s0 earth to be here,  visitwww.reasons.org
and youll be amazed at the DESIGN and ENGINEERING of them. As for all
other quieries on the Christian Faith and especially on the enormous
faith an atheist must force himself to have so he can discount an
intelligent personal Creator (which even Dawkins admitted to there
being) ....thereby delaying moral accountability ,  visitwww.impactapologetics.com
.    I could give you the answers to your questions but its going to
have far greater impact on you 'since all you need to believe in and
follow God is the evidence ;  if only there were evidence Id bow my
knee to God ' .

"...To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others”
is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such
ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are
human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully
employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue
that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full
employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit
God, an act of hubris..."

http://www.butler.edu/clergyproject/Christian_Clergy/ChrClergyLtr.htm
 
haiku jones...
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:12 am
Guest
On Nov 4, 7:26 am, "IlBeBa... at (no spam) gmail.com" <ilbeba... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 3, 5:56 pm, haiku jones <575jo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:



On Nov 3, 4:36 pm, "IlBeBa... at (no spam) gmail.com" <ilbeba... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 3, 12:12 pm, Joseki <jabriol2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Many who affirm to be Christians says yes..

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20080101a/article_01.htm

Depends what TYPE of evolution you are talking about ;  if its
Darwinnian (Macro) Evolution  where first life started out as a one
celled Pond Protozoa

This being, of course, something Darwin never said...

 and thru ions of time,

HOLY SHIT!  Scientists can ionize time itself now?
Geez, where did they do that?  The Large Hadron
Collider, no doubt.  Well, I warned them and I warned
them, but would they listen to me?  Noooooo.

 chances, and
accidents...worked its way up to a 206 bone human being

Is that all?  Shucks, some snakets have five hundred
vertebrae alone.  God must have put more work into
the serpent.

 having over 60
major anatomical systems

Really?  Bet you can't list even half
of that number:

 all working collaboratively  and balancing
each other .... then absolutely not.  God said how he created man, and
that is in Genesis 2  whereby man was made FULLY formed and FULLY
functioning .

And God liked doing that so much that he did it twice, as is
clear from even a casual reading of the first two chapters.

  Darwinnian Evolution was only a desperate theory so
God could be discounted , of which there is absolutely no evidence. In
fact, it violates known laws of science

Which fact is apparently unknown to most known
scientists.

Which "known laws" do you have in mind, by the way?

.   If its MICRO
evolution...then yes, God allowed for this to take place which gives
us the variation within a family

Hey, I've got a MICRO evolution question for ya:  how did
humans manage to micro it, in just a few thousand years,
starting with eight Semites and ending up with Japanese, Zulus,
Swedes, Pygmies, Ainu,  Australian Aborigines, Navajos,
Eskimos,  Terra del Fuegans, and the entire rainbow
spectrum of humans we have today?

Oh, and before I forget?  You still owe me that
list of "over 250 razor-sharp physical constants"

Haiku Jones

-- The Bible indicates this and
science has shown this to be true.   To get truth, one should consult
The Bible first because sooner or later, modern science has confirmed
it to be true or is in the process of doing so .- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If youre really interested in your questions particularly a young
earth, the fallacy of Carbon 14 Dating ,

The age of the earth is not determined by radiocarbon
dating.



Quote:
etc...,  Id like to suggest
you visitwww.answersingenesis.org  which will sufficiently answer
all of them.  

I am entirely aware of answersingenesis, and in fact
have consulted it many times over the years.

It's a joke. A bad joke.



Quote:
For the approx. 250  razor edge Physics Constants
whereby some are to the 120th decimal point precision  and all are
needed  for our Cosmos s0 earth to be here,  visitwww.reasons.org

I did so. The only thing remotely like your "250 constants" is
a reference to arguments by Hugh Ross involving "150 contstants" --
by the time you get to another source, it's been inflated to "200
constants" -
and by the time you find anything by Ross -- very hard, as everyone
refers to it, but no one seems to want to quote it directly, you
will find a handful of quantities of which many are nothing like
fundamental
physical constants (i.e: the fine-structure constant), but are instead
empirical happenstance such as the number of galaxies in
the universe. And when you examine Ross' logic, you find
he's doing nothing more than playing a Drake-equation-style
game, one which many other scientists in the field have
indulged in -- and come up with answers radically different
than the one Ross arrives at. See any good book on SETI.
I recommend Chris Impey's "The Living Cosmos".

Haiku Jones


Quote:
and youll be amazed at the DESIGN and ENGINEERING of them. As for all
other quieries on the Christian Faith and especially on the enormous
faith an atheist must force himself to have so he can discount an
intelligent personal Creator (which even Dawkins admitted to there
being) ....thereby delaying moral accountability ,  visitwww.impactapologetics.com
.    I could give you the answers to your questions but its going to
have far greater impact on you 'since all you need to believe in and
follow God is the evidence ;  if only there were evidence Id bow my
knee to God ' .
 
Ken...
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:36 am
Guest
On Nov 4, 10:23 am, Christopher A. Lee <ca... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote:

Quote:
I just wish that for once they would try and think outside their
religion.



That's way too much to hope for.
How about if they just try and think..........period
 
Andy W...
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:19 am
Guest
On 3 Nov, 18:12, Joseki <jabriol2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Many who affirm to be Christians says yes..

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20080101a/article_01.htm

Good for them. Just goes to show not all Christians are braindead
morons like you, Jabbers.

Andy
 
Jimbo...
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:25 am
Guest
On Nov 3, 1:12 pm, Joseki <jabriol2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Many who affirm to be Christians says yes..

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20080101a/article_01.htm

So? What has this to do with alt.atheism?
 
Jimbo...
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:25 am
Guest
On Nov 3, 11:23 am, "Bill M" <wm... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:
Quote:
"Joseki" <jabriol2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:c80648d7-88d9-47a4-98a5-4cdc864f9756 at (no spam) 15g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...

Many who affirm to be Christians says yes..

It makes no difference. Just like Aesop's Fables the Bibles are nothing more
than ancient books of myths and fables!


Exactly. It's like asking if "Mother Goose" is compatible with
Evolution. Who cares?
 
 
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