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| Fred A Stover... |
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guardian Snow wrote:
Quote: On Oct 29, 9:42 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
Now that's not very polite Fred. I respect that you disagree and you
are entitled to your opinion but I stand by the fact that Yahweh's
name is recorded 6832 times in the Hebrew scriptures
Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh. So let us examine your evidence:
Exposing a lying blasphemer isn't supposed to be polite. The fact
that both forms Yah and Yahweh are used in scripture with Elohim to
say LORD God exposes your "simple investigation" as another lie.
One of the many grievous errors put forward by Christian translators
it that YAH is a name for YAHWEH. In making this error they use
Exodus 3:14 where the name of YAHWEH is not listed but the explanation
of his name that is given in verse 15 but removed from virtually all
translations of scriptures.
You delete the verses where the Lord speaks of Himself as Yah Elohim [LORD
God] just as he speaks of Himself as Yahweh Elohim [LORD God] elsewhere, you
call what He says a grievous error, try to wash your hands of your blasphemy
by blaming it on the translators who simply tell us what He said, and then
ramble on about I am.
How many are you?
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| guardian Snow... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:39 am |
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On Oct 30, 9:45 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
Quote: Snow Blind Snow Job wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:42am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
One of the many grievous errors put forward by Christian translators
it that YAH is a name for YAHWEH. In making this error they use
Exodus 3:14 where the name of YAHWEH is not listed but the
explanation of his name that is given in verse 15 but removed from
virtually all translations of scriptures.
You delete the verses where the Lord speaks of Himself as Yah Elohim
[LORD God] just as he speaks of Himself as Yahweh Elohim [LORD God]
elsewhere, you call what He says a grievous error, try to wash your
hands of your blasphemy by blaming it on the translators who simply
tell us what He said, and then ramble on about I am.
How many are you?
Care to show where this verse is?
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH, that is My Name, and My esteem I do not give to
another, nor My praise to idols.
You can't find it?
How does that support your claiim that Yah is just anotlher word for
Elohim, not Yahweh?
I believe you have misunderstood what I know Fred and I respect that
you disagree with me but "God" is a mistranslation altogether and a
name of Baal.
Quote: When brighter folks see verses like this:
Psalm 68:4
Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the
heavens by his name Yah, and rejoice before him.
They know that when you say Yah, you've called out to Yahweh.
The Hebrew reads differently in these verses and pronouns such as
"his" are added to the context where a more accurate translation
simply says the name of Yah. While I accept that you will of course
disagree, most translators are afraid to depart from the faulty King
James Translation of scriptures and continue the tradition of adding
words.
Psa 104:35 Let sinners be consumed from the earth, And let the wrong
be no more. Bless YAHWEH, O my being! Praise Yah!
I maintain the context is the same as what you would use as "God" and
Elohim means simply mighty one and can be applied to any "mighty"
being such as Moses and Abraham.
Clearly I will not convince you otherwise Fred and this is not my
point... only to share my understanding of scriptures with respect to
yours. I do wish you well with your walk of faith and hope in the
future that we can continue to have a civil discussion even besides
the fact that clearly we must agree to disagree to continue in such a
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:45 am |
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Snow Blind Snow Job wrote:
Quote: On Oct 30, 4:42am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
One of the many grievous errors put forward by Christian translators
it that YAH is a name for YAHWEH. In making this error they use
Exodus 3:14 where the name of YAHWEH is not listed but the
explanation of his name that is given in verse 15 but removed from
virtually all translations of scriptures.
You delete the verses where the Lord speaks of Himself as Yah Elohim
[LORD God] just as he speaks of Himself as Yahweh Elohim [LORD God]
elsewhere, you call what He says a grievous error, try to wash your
hands of your blasphemy by blaming it on the translators who simply
tell us what He said, and then ramble on about I am.
How many are you?
Care to show where this verse is?
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH, that is My Name, and My esteem I do not give to
another, nor My praise to idols.
You can't find it?
How does that support your claiim that Yah is just anotlher word for
Elohim, not Yahweh?
When brighter folks see verses like this:
Psalm 68:4
Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the
heavens by his name Yah, and rejoice before him.
Psalm 68:18
Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast
received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Yah God might
dwell among them.
Psalm 105:7
He is the Yah our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
along with verses like this:
Genesis 2:4-5
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were
created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, [5]
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of
the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon
the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
They know that when you say Yah, you've called out to Yahweh.
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shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
(Mark 10:15)
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| Fred A Stover... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:09 am |
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guardian Snow wrote:
Quote: On Oct 30, 9:45pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
Snow Blind Snow Job wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:42am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
One of the many grievous errors put forward by Christian
translators it that YAH is a name for YAHWEH. In making this
error they use Exodus 3:14 where the name of YAHWEH is not listed
but the explanation of his name that is given in verse 15 but
removed from virtually all translations of scriptures.
You delete the verses where the Lord speaks of Himself as Yah
Elohim [LORD God] just as he speaks of Himself as Yahweh Elohim
[LORD God] elsewhere, you call what He says a grievous error, try
to wash your hands of your blasphemy by blaming it on the
translators who simply tell us what He said, and then ramble on
about I am.
How many are you?
Care to show where this verse is?
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH, that is My Name, and My esteem I do not give
to another, nor My praise to idols.
You can't find it?
How does that support your claiim that Yah is just anotlher word for
Elohim, not Yahweh?
I believe you have misunderstood what I know Fred and I respect that
you disagree with me but "God" is a mistranslation altogether and a
name of Baal.
What an idiot. Elohim isn't Baal.
--
His,
More at (no spam) www.selah-tx.net
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the
Lord
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever
shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
(Mark 10:15)
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| guardian Snow... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:41 pm |
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On Oct 31, 5:09 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
Live to win. Apostle Paul said:
1Co 9:24 Do you not know that those who run in a race indeed all run,
but one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to obtain it.
Ask yourself, does the person who is winning the race suddenly stop
before the finish to kick the person in last place? One of my
favorite songs says,
Runner by Manfred Mann
Through the night, through the dawn
Behind you another runner is born
Don't look back, you've been there
Feel the mist as your breath hits the air
And it's underneath the moonlight
Passing some
Still your heart beats in the moonlight
Like a drum
And you will run your time
A shooting star across the sky
And you will surely cross the line
To pass on the flame -
Not everybody is going to win this race but most certainly, you can be
on that winning team that comes to the truth and recognize your own
divine nature. Why do so many claim to live in sin which is a
present tense, self defeating negative statement of their own state?
If you are forgiven and made whole then if you are truly one with the
spirit you will no longer retain those old ways of thought and
perfection is within your reach but first, YOU MUST BELIEVE.
Mat 12:37 For by your words you shall be declared righteous, and by
your words you shall be declared unrighteous.
Words are awesome power and contain within them the very mystery of
life. I speak of a mystery not because it is any secret revelation
given to me but because so few understand that in reality science
shows your faith, your belief and your works can and do make you whole
and strong. As you believe, it will be done said the Messiah.
Mat 8:13 And Yehoshua said to the captain, Go, and as you have
believed, so let it be done for you. And his servant was healed that
hour.
So many people actually demonstrate a lack of faith and these people
do not need to be corrected or put down or even argued against because
this is not the Messianic doctrine of peace.
Simply put, if I spent all my days like some going around telling you
about all the false witnesses in the world, I would never truly obey
my Masters teachings to spread the Good News that the power of life,
forgiveness and even healing come to those who know, obey and keep to
the teachings of Torah.
I am a spiritual being with a body and connection to my source of
being, connects me to an infinite power that when understood grants me
the ability of source energy that Hebrew Scriptures names, YAHWEH. If
I spoke of the marvelous things that have manifested in my life by his
name, most would ridicule me and trample me down as a dog but this
understanding is clear, when we follow the true teachings of the Torah
and the spiritual giants of our Masters the prophets, conflict
disappears and we become one with the will of Yahweh and that source
and I say now that whether for good or evil, what we focus on will
manifest according to our belief.
So many have become slave to a dogma that says they must continue to
live in transgression of the Torah? Why would you believe you are
anything less that PERFECTION? Why believe you are unable to keep the
Torah when at its very core of the doctrine it says, Do what is
right and Love Elohim, your neighbor and the stranger who sojourns
amongst you for we were once strangers ourselves but now are called
to be Priest of the most high EL YAHWEH.
Mat 17:20 And Yehoshua said to them, Because of your unbelief, for
truly, I say to you, if you have belief as a mustard seed, you shall
say to this mountain, Move from here to there, and it shall move.
And no matter shall be impossible for you.
If NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE, you are only demonstrating unbelief when you
confirm these teachings that you continue to live in sin for in it,
you deny that you are forgiven and made whole by your belief and now
should do the works accordingly as our Messiah taught, guarding ALL
that he commanded and living a life by the examples that he left for
us to follow after
only then do we understand what he taught us to
take up your stake and to follow me for in it, we understand that
we are equals with him as one brother is to another.
Mat 12:48 But He answering, said to the one who spoke to Him, Who is
My mother and who are My brothers?
Mat 12:49 And having stretched out His hand toward His taught ones, He
said, See My mother and My brothers!
Mat 12:50 For whoever does the desire of My Father who is in the
heavens is My brother and sister and mother.
YAHWEH is not a respecter of your sex and this applies to woman as
well, that no person is left behind in this race to the finish
that
UNITY is by SPIRIT and the power of OUR WORD and so, carry your torch
and be that light, that beacon on the hill and recognize YOUR
righteousness in Yahweh and do what is right to win the race, keep
running underneath the moonlight and blaze your trail that others may
follow YOU in example. If not for yourself, do it for your children
your friends, your family
you know what is right but first you must
believe that you are capable and put away self defeating thoughts of
imperfections and inability and truly adopt that euphemist that
President Obama made so famous that says, Yes, WE CAN! We can, when
we do what is right and connect to that infinite source to envision
what should be for the Torah is a Universal way of life, not a curse
to be shunned or feared.
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not
be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.1 Footnote: 1See 7:12.
Establish the Torah in your life through belief because until you
actually work it by putting your beliefs into action, you have simply
gone into unbelief in your own ability to do what is right.
Mat 7:12 Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to
them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets.
Shalom,
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Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
Please come post your comments at
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
A public forum for those who believe.
Youre the voice by John Farnham
We have
The chance to turn the pages over
We can write what we want to write
We gotta make ends meet, before we get much older
We're all someone's daughter
We're all someone's son
How long can we look at each other
Down the barrel of a gun?
Chorus:
You're the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear
Oh-o-o-o, whoa-o-o-o!
We're not gonna sit in silence
We're not gonna live with fear
Oh-o-o-o, whoa-o-o-o!
This time
We know we all stand together
With the power to be powerful
Believing, we can make it better
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| guardian Snow... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:26 am |
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On Nov 1, 9:10Â pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
Quote: guardian Snow wrote:
On Oct 31, 5:09pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
Live to win. Â Apostle Paul said:
1Co 9:24 Do you not know that those who run in a race indeed all run,
but one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to obtain it.
Ask yourself, does the person who is winning the race suddenly stop
before the finish to kick the person in last place? Â One of my
favorite songs says,
Now you're feeling kicked because you're being warned if worshipping the
devil? You're starting to sound like a paranoid, whining JW, "hypocrites!
for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye
make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves" (Matt 23:15).
Hardly friend. I think you misinterpreted that statement but thank
you for your response.
The ministry of Strength
When we obey our heavenly Father, Yahweh builds us up. Every choice
that we make in our daily lives should be affected by our service to
Yahweh. I donât always know where Yahweh is going to lead me, in fact
I never know, I trust Yahweh has a plan for me.
Now that doesnât mean indecision, it means that I base my choices on
what is right to do, even if it means that itâs not what appears to be
the most viable or an easy choice. Henry David Thoreau said, âA truly
good book teaches me better than to read it. I must soon lay it down,
and commence living on its hint. What I began by reading, I must
finish by acting.â
Psa 18:31 For who is Eloah, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, except
our Elohim?
Psa 18:32 It is Äl who girds me with strength, And makes my way
perfect,
We have The Good Book in scriptures and when we learn to follow the
words of Yahweh, he will perfect us and make us strong. A rock and a
mountain are terms used to help us start to imagine the concepts of
our heavenly Father, a tower of strength that when we obey, we can
inherit.
Psa 18:33 Making my feet like the feet of deer, And sets me on my high
places,
Psa 18:34 Teaching my hands for battle, So that my arms shall bend a
bow of bronze.
Psa 18:35 And You give me the shield of Your deliverance; And Your
right hand supports me, And Your lowliness makes me great.
The hand of Yahweh makes YOU great and thatâs a promise you can live
by. The ministry of strength is one that is the call of the soldier,
it requires discipline and practice. This is the voice of Yahweh that
builds you up but keeps you humble, a servant in his command.
Now many people want to tear you down. My favorite song sings, âSome
people hate and expect affection, Some people lie and demand the
truthâ and we know they will get neither truth or affection. Those
who are the hardest to love are usually the ones that need love the
most.
I believe that Yahweh will build you up from a peaceful warrior to a
perfect warrior that has overcome the world and all that is in it. We
are peaceful warriors that learn in humility and we take our blows on
the cheek and turn to our enemies the other cheek. Yahweh is the
judge of all but we must judge for ourselves what is right⌠but we are
never alone in that judgment if we guard his words on our heart.
Deu 10:16 âAnd you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and
harden your neck no more.
Many people fail to see the spiritual aspects of the Torah and think
circumcision is only physical but know this, it is physical and
spiritual and this is the lesson learned from Yehoshua, our Master and
brother if we do not turn away from the truth.
Psa 18:36 You enlarge my step under me; And my feet shall not slip.
Psa 18:37 I pursue my enemies and overtake them; And do not turn back
till they are destroyed.
Our enemy is evil in our midst and we must destroy it. Not people but
the things in our life that are evil such as pornography, music with
demonic lyrics giving praise to Satan. Posters on our childrenâs
walls that glorify evil and promote promiscuity, drugs⌠these are some
the evils in our life and our being that must be destroyed. Children
must be protected and I wonât negotiate with Satan for my child, will
you? Find your strength and destroy those video games that numb there
mind to violence⌠you know the ones.
Yahweh does not destroy us and we do NOT destroy people and this may
be one of the most misunderstood concepts of our battle. You see, our
enemies destroy themselves by sin. The reason we do not turn back
till they are destroyed is that we are actually fighting to SAVE our
enemies from themselves.
Mat 5:44 âBut I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,
Our enemies, and know that we have many in this world, are those that
have bought into the ministry of weakness and we shall overcome them
and the world only with the strength of Yahweh our Elohim. Elohim, a
Hebrew word means âMighty Oneâ. Yahweh is our might and without him,
we are weak, so donât be without him. The ministry of weakness is
that of LUCIFER!
Isa 14:10 âAll of them respond and say to you, âHave you also become
as weak as we? Have you become like us?â
If you are a servant of Yahweh, he wants to build you up and make you
strong!
Psa 18:38 I crush them, and they are unable to rise; They fall under
my feet.
Psa 18:39 And You gird me with strength for battle; Cause my
adversaries to bow under me.
If your adversaries bow, donât forget to demonstrate the same mercy
and compassion that Yahweh has given you.
Jas 2:13 For the judgment is without compassion to the one who has
shown no compassion. And compassion boasts over judgment.
Psa 18:40 And You have made my enemies turn their backs, As for those
hating me, I cut them off.
Now I found this interesting because the enemies of King David turn
their backs, this speaks of retreat and repentance and for the rest,
he cuts them off. He doesnât listen to his enemies and the voices of
wickedness and he doesnât negotiate with them, he cuts them off and
drives them out before him. He doesnât run from the wicked, the
wicked run from him.
Psa 18:41 They cry â but no one is there to save, To Yahweh â but He
answers them not.
We want Yahweh to be with us in our prayers and to answer our
prayers. I know I certainly have many prayers and not all of them
have been answered but his will is sovereign and his ways are not
always known to me. I confess this even though I have been a student
of scriptures for over 20 years at least. Keep asking and keep
praying and keep fighting for righteousness and not just yourself but
your family and all those in your life⌠be the inspiration that
changes lives, that inspires and turns the wicked heart from wrong.
Over the course of years, I found I was wrong many times and this
brought me humility in understanding that I could still be wrong about
many things. Every day, I find myself discovering a new key of
understanding as I search the scriptures. Of his words Yahweh says
thru Jeremiah the prophet:
Jer 23:28 âThe prophet who has a dream, let him relate the dream, and
he who has My Word, let him speak My Word in truth. What is the chaff
to the wheat?â declares Yahweh.
Jer 23:29 âIs not My Word like a fire?â declares Yahweh, âand like a
hammer that shatters a rock?
If isnât like a fire then itâs NOT his word! Now the ministry of
weakness say, âYou canât be righteousâ âJesus is our righteousness
because he kept the Torah perfectly so you have no need to be
righteous. If you only believe you will not die but have eternal
life.â
Now I ask you, where is the motivation to guard the words of Yahweh?
Arenât we in fact negotiating a reason to continue a life of sin just
like the serpent in the garden?
Gen 3:3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the
garden, Elohim has said, âDo not eat of it, nor touch it, lest you
die.â â 4 And the serpent said to the woman, âYou shall certainly not
die.â
Yes, YOU WILL DIE if you donât wake up and repent and stop negotiating
with the devil for your soul. Be strong and stop defiling yourself.
Stop cheating on your spouse, stop living indecently and just stop
sinning. You know whatâs right, whatâs wrong and if you donât, read
the words of FIRE! Burn away the chaff and leave only perfection.
Turn back your being and be reborn, now, today, make your life a
living offering to Yahweh and stop serving nonsense:
2Pe 2:18 For speaking arrogant nonsense, they entice â through the
lusts of the flesh, through indecencies â the ones who have indeed
escaped from those living in delusion,
Stop deluding yourself with mental weakness.
19 promising them freedom, though themselves being slaves of
corruption â for one is a slave to whatever overcomes him.
Has anybody promised you freedom to sin that you should negotiate
within your own mind? Burn it away and be done with it. Let the fire
of the word of Yahweh consume the chaff.
2Pe 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world
through the knowledge of the Master and Saviour Yehoshua Messiah, they
are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for
them than the first.
The ditch we dig by our sins only grows deeper until we canât escape,
so donât start digging and if you have been, stop, climb out and have
a look at yourself and your life.
2Pe 2:21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the
way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the set-apart
command delivered unto them.
We battle everyday with flesh and bones and donât let anybody tell you
otherwise... The battle of lust and indecency has overtaken many in
the ministry because they have negotiated with darkness and you, dear
reader are non-negotiable, a prized possession and a treasured set
apart people having been bought by Yahweh.
Set yourself apart and abhor sin. Donât run from it, tackle it head
on and stop it in your being. Confront it with the strength of Yahweh
and you shall overcome. Guard his words and he will raise his shield
for you. Practice righteousness and he will fight for you. Guard his
commands and he will save you. Find your MINISTRY OF STRENGTH.
Psa 23:1 Yahweh is my shepherd; I do not lack.
Psa 23:2 He makes me to lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside
still waters.
Psa 23:3 He turns back1 my being; He leads me in paths of
righteousness For His Nameâs sake. Footnote: 1Or He converts.
Psa 23:4 When I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear
no evil. For You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort
me.
Psa 23:5 You spread before me a table in the face of my enemies; You
have anointed my head with oil; My cup runs over.
Psa 23:6 Only goodness and kindness follow me All the days of my life;
And I shall dwell in the House of Yahweh, To the length of days!
I hope you will take some time to make your own ministry of strength
post and share it with me.
Shalom,
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| Fred A Stover... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:10 am |
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guardian Snow wrote:
Quote: On Oct 31, 5:09pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
Live to win. Apostle Paul said:
1Co 9:24 Do you not know that those who run in a race indeed all run,
but one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to obtain it.
Ask yourself, does the person who is winning the race suddenly stop
before the finish to kick the person in last place? One of my
favorite songs says,
Now you're feeling kicked because you're being warned if worshipping the
devil? You're starting to sound like a paranoid, whining JW, "hypocrites!
for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye
make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves" (Matt 23:15).
<snip>
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shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
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| singin4free... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:25 am |
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On Nov 1, 8:26 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote:
Quote: Now the ministry of
weakness say, You cant be righteous Jesus is our righteousness
because he kept the Torah perfectly so you have no need to be
righteous. If you only believe you will not die but have eternal
life.
Now I ask you, where is the motivation to guard the words of Yahweh?
Arent we in fact negotiating a reason to continue a life of sin just
like the serpent in the garden?
We can't be righteous without Jesus, but with him we can (and will)
be. Righteousness is Christ the Perfect One living His life through
you. The motivation to do the will of God is knowing Yeshua. Knowing
Jesus changes you, actually, recreates or regenerates you. We come to
know the living Jesus when we believe, causing us cry out to him in
sincere faith for salvation. In an instant we are translated from the
kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light. And as he promised he
comes to abide in us. He is the one with the motivation. He is the
life of the Vine. If you are not in the Vine, you have no life in you.
Yeshua said:
"I am the True Vine and you are the branches".
Therefore to have the life of YHWH flowing through you, you must be in
the True Vine. This life flows with righteousness. It brings us to
life as new creatures. There is then a new man who is alive in Christ,
and there was the old man who was dead in sin. The old man was fallen
and unable to even understand this. He will always ask, "What
motivates you to do righteousness if you trust Christ to be your
righteousness?". To him it is not logical because he cannot see the
kingdom of God, as Yeshua said,
"Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God."
The old man will always say that trusting Christ is weakness, when in
fact it is the very weakness of surrender to the will of the Father
that makes us strong, for in our weakness His strength is brought to
bear against the enemy of our souls. It is always in Him we trust. Not
in horses - in the Lord our God as it says:
"Psa 20:7 Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will
remember the name of YHWH our Elohim".
What are the chariots and the horses? These are things we trust in
that we perceive to have strength, such as our own righteousness,
which is in fact unable to save and will fail us, it is as the
scripture says "as filthy rags", as it says in Isaiah 64:6
"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness is as
filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like
the wind, have taken us."
It also says we should take hold of YHWH and call upon his Name in
Isaiah 64:7
" And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up
himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and
hast consumed us, because of our iniquities".
And taking hold of Him is done by obeying the testimony he has sent
to us, to trust in the righteousness of Christ. If we say we are
taking hold of YHWH and do not trust in the Christ, we have called him
a liar. It is His testimony that His Son is our righteousness, and to
try to be righteous without the Cross and the Blood of Yeshua is just
a huge Lie, designed by its author the devil to deceive the world.
Many fall into this trap. Make no mistake about it, the followers of
the Messiah must and will be righteous. They do not abide in sin and
they do not love the things of this world. But they do so because they
are born of the Spirit, and have the strength that comes from Christ
living in them. It is their faith that overcomes the world, as it
says:
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of YHWH overcometh the world: and this
is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
And their faith is in the Blood of the Lamb manifested by the word of
their testimony as it says:
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the
word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the
death.
The enemies of Christ say his cross was a sign of weakness and defeat.
But we who are in Christ have known and will know the victory of the
cross over sin, over death and over the grave. Though we have this
treasure in earthen vessels and we are still in this world, we have
the earnest (a "guarantee" given to us by God) of the Spirit as we
await the ultimate victory that has already been won by our Lord
Yeshua.
Peter summarizes these things when he says:
1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with
corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation
received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without
blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the
world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in YHWH, that raised him up from the
dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth
through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye
love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by the word of YHWH, which liveth and abideth for ever.
And Paul, the enemy of the enemies of the cross, said:
Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of YHWH our Savior toward
man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration,
and renewing of the Set-apart Spirit;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Yeshua the Messiah our
Savior;
Tit 3:7 That being justified by his Favor, we should be made heirs
according to the hope of eternal life.
The righteousness of Christ which is imparted to us by faith does not
grant us a license to sin as is falsely reported by the enemies of the
cross, but instead causes regeneration, the new birth whereby we are
created anew with hearts to serve YHWH. This is the inheritance of the
children of God who believe in Yeshua to be their righteousness. We
must be lifted from our condition, as we not able to lift ourselves by
our own bootstraps. It is by Christ that we are lifted into heavenly
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| Fred A Stover... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:16 pm |
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guardian Snow wrote:
Quote: On Nov 1, 9:10 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
guardian Snow wrote:
On Oct 31, 5:09pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
Live to win. Apostle Paul said:
1Co 9:24 Do you not know that those who run in a race indeed all
run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to obtain it.
Ask yourself, does the person who is winning the race suddenly stop
before the finish to kick the person in last place? One of my
favorite songs says,
Now you're feeling kicked because you're being warned if worshipping
the devil? You're starting to sound like a paranoid, whining JW,
"hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and
when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than
yourselves" (Matt 23:15).
Hardly friend. I think you misinterpreted that statement but thank
you for your response.
The ministry of Strength
Obviously not, for you still prefer to worship the devil's part of the law
after being freed from it: " 'I will not go out free,' then his master shall
bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the
door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he
shall serve him for ever" (Ex 21:5-6)
What did you think it prophesied?
--
His,
More at (no spam) www.selah-tx.net
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever
shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
(Mark 10:15)
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| jwsheffield at (no spam) satx.rr.com... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:14 pm |
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On Nov 1, 2:16 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
Quote: guardian Snow wrote:
On Nov 1, 9:10 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
guardian Snow wrote:
On Oct 31, 5:09pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
Live to win. Apostle Paul said:
1Co 9:24 Do you not know that those who run in a race indeed all
run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to obtain it.
Ask yourself, does the person who is winning the race suddenly stop
before the finish to kick the person in last place? One of my
favorite songs says,
Now you're feeling kicked because you're being warned if worshipping
the devil? You're starting to sound like a paranoid, whining JW,
"hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and
when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than
yourselves" (Matt 23:15).
Hardly friend. I think you misinterpreted that statement but thank
you for your response.
The ministry of Strength
Obviously not, for you still prefer to worship the devil's part of the law
after being freed from it: " 'I will not go out free,' then his master shall
bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the
door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he
shall serve him for ever" (Ex 21:5-6)
What did you think it prophesied?
--
His,
More at (no spam) www.selah-tx.net
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the
Lord
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever
shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
(Mark 10:15)
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)))))))
Snowjob must have the last word.
His "faith" is in his vain words.
Job 16:3 - Shall vain words have an end?
or what emboldeneth thee that thou answerest?
Jim
Pr 29:23 - A man's pride shall bring him low:
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