I'd still like to see things Jim actually wrote or even what he
thought about the things he'd quoted.

Searles O'Dubhain wrote:

I'd still like to see things Jim actually wrote or even what he
thought about the things he'd quoted.

Not on newsgroups or any other medium involving an anonymous
readership, according to his own ultra-traditional standard. Over more
than the decade I've been in conversation with Jim by personal mail,
through friendly and not-so friendly times alike, he was always the one
to stress the stipulation of "lip to ear" whenever and wherever and with
whomever conversations about the Great Mystery are being conducted.
In this day and age, this also includes "typing fingers to eye" of the
One - and only one - with whom such conversations are taking place
at any given time respectively.

Not so much for reasons of "secrecy" as many assume but for the
plain fact that information is processed differently by every individual;
which means the same thing has to be said 'customized' to the listener
for the contained info to sink in on a personal and permanent basis.
There's simply no one-size-fits-all in these deeply spiritual matters and
Jim is one who understands such fundamental wisdom more than well.

Yes is not was, as he has chosen not to leave this plane for good.
I can tell by way of pragmatic and logical reasoning others may call
UPG, which also his own advice helped devolop in my own approach.
He's still around, don't worry, and he'll come back as well. Transmigration
may be some fancy outlandish concept for individuals to ponder who've
never done it or at least not remember they have. For the rest of us, it's
as natural yet still mysterious as the whole rest of our being.

There is one quote that I can give away however, without breaking either
the code or implied promises made.

"The fundamental bottom line truth of these ways is universal and
expressed and or acted out based on Geography, Flora, Fauna, Language
and Culture. All the ancestral wise men all knew exactly the very same
truths. Know one system and you know them all. There can never be a
difference, only a variation on a common theme. The Druid had the May
pole and the Indian had the sun dance pole. All exactly the same story
played out in slightly differing ways, but the same knowledge and intent.

No one owns these ways, they are universal and belong to any of an
indigenous consciousness. However it is a total waiste of time to tutor
one who is not a natural."

Now there's a guy who figured out in a way greater scope than every
self proclaimed Druid I've ever come across so far, "celtic" or "gaelic".
But that's just my opinion. Mileage may vary.

Dan

Searles O'Dubhain wrote:

I'd still like to see things Jim actually wrote or even what he
thought about the things he'd quoted.

Not on newsgroups or any other medium involving an anonymous
readership, according to his own ultra-traditional standard. Over more
than the decade I've been in conversation with Jim by personal mail,
through friendly and not-so friendly times alike, he was always the one
to stress the stipulation of "lip to ear" whenever and wherever and with
whomever conversations about the Great Mystery are being conducted.
In this day and age, this also includes "typing fingers to eye" of the
One - and only one - with whom such conversations are taking place
at any given time respectively.

Not so much for reasons of "secrecy" as many assume but for the
plain fact that information is processed differently by every individual;
which means the same thing has to be said 'customized' to the listener
for the contained info to sink in on a personal and permanent basis.
There's simply no one-size-fits-all in these deeply spiritual matters and
Jim is one who understands such fundamental wisdom more than well.

Yes is not was, as he has chosen not to leave this plane for good.
I can tell by way of pragmatic and logical reasoning others may call
UPG, which also his own advice helped devolop in my own approach.
He's still around, don't worry, and he'll come back as well. Transmigration
may be some fancy outlandish concept for individuals to ponder who've
never done it or at least not remember they have. For the rest of us, it's
as natural yet still mysterious as the whole rest of our being.

There is one quote that I can give away however, without breaking either
the code or implied promises made.

"The fundamental bottom line truth of these ways is universal and
expressed and or acted out based on Geography, Flora, Fauna, Language
and Culture. All the ancestral wise men all knew exactly the very same
truths. Know one system and you know them all. There can never be a
difference, only a variation on a common theme. The Druid had the May
pole and the Indian had the sun dance pole. All exactly the same story
played out in slightly differing ways, but the same knowledge and intent.

No one owns these ways, they are universal and belong to any of an
indigenous consciousness. However it is a total waiste of time to tutor
one who is not a natural."

Now there's a guy who figured out in a way greater scope than every
self proclaimed Druid I've ever come across so far, "celtic" or "gaelic".
But that's just my opinion. Mileage may vary.

On 27 Oct, 00:11, "1X2Willows" <nos... at (no spam) least.invalid> wrote:
Searles O'Dubhain wrote:

I'd still like to see things Jim actually wrote or even what he
thought about the things he'd quoted.

Not on newsgroups or any other medium involving an anonymous
readership, according to his own ultra-traditional standard. Over more
than the decade I've been in conversation with Jim by personal mail,
through friendly and not-so friendly times alike, he was always the one
to stress the stipulation of "lip to ear" whenever and wherever and with
whomever conversations about the Great Mystery are being conducted.
In this day and age, this also includes "typing fingers to eye" of the
One - and only one - with whom such conversations are taking place
at any given time respectively.

Not so much for reasons of "secrecy" as many assume but for the
plain fact that information is processed differently by every individual;
which means the same thing has to be said 'customized' to the listener
for the contained info to sink in on a personal and permanent basis.
There's simply no one-size-fits-all in these deeply spiritual matters and
Jim is one who understands such fundamental wisdom more than well.

Yes is not was, as he has chosen not to leave this plane for good.
I can tell by way of pragmatic and logical reasoning others may call
UPG, which also his own advice helped devolop in my own approach.
He's still around, don't worry, and he'll come back as well. Transmigration
may be some fancy outlandish concept for individuals to ponder who've
never done it or at least not remember they have. For the rest of us, it's
as natural yet still mysterious as the whole rest of our being.

There is one quote that I can give away however, without breaking either
the code or implied promises made.

"The fundamental bottom line truth of these ways is universal and
expressed and or acted out based on Geography, Flora, Fauna, Language
and Culture. All the ancestral wise men all knew exactly the very same
truths. Know one system and you know them all. There can never be a
difference, only a variation on a common theme. The Druid had the May
pole and the Indian had the sun dance pole. All exactly the same story
played out in slightly differing ways, but the same knowledge and intent.

No one owns these ways, they are universal and belong to any of an
indigenous consciousness. However it is a total waiste of time to tutor
one who is not a natural."

Now there's a guy who figured out in a way greater scope than every
self proclaimed Druid I've ever come across so far, "celtic" or "gaelic".
But that's just my opinion. Mileage may vary.

I have learned that the universe speaks to us constantly, though what
is right in front of us at any given time. No need for altered
conciousness, meditations or astral travelling, just an understanding
of the patterns and what they could mean.

These messaages can be obvoius and sometimes more subtle requiring a
bit of divination or between-the-lines interpretation, but
effectively, it's all there, waiting to be decoded.

I suppose the above sound pretty obvious ;)

golwg

Matthew

On 27 Oct, 00:11, "1X2Willows" <nos... at (no spam) least.invalid> wrote:
Searles O'Dubhain wrote:

I'd still like to see things Jim actually wrote or even what he
thought about the things he'd quoted.

Not on newsgroups or any other medium involving an anonymous
readership, according to his own ultra-traditional standard. Over more
than the decade I've been in conversation with Jim by personal mail,
through friendly and not-so friendly times alike, he was always the one
to stress the stipulation of "lip to ear" whenever and wherever and with
whomever conversations about the Great Mystery are being conducted.
In this day and age, this also includes "typing fingers to eye" of the
One - and only one - with whom such conversations are taking place
at any given time respectively.

Not so much for reasons of "secrecy" as many assume but for the
plain fact that information is processed differently by every individual;
which means the same thing has to be said 'customized' to the listener
for the contained info to sink in on a personal and permanent basis.
There's simply no one-size-fits-all in these deeply spiritual matters and
Jim is one who understands such fundamental wisdom more than well.

Yes is not was, as he has chosen not to leave this plane for good.
I can tell by way of pragmatic and logical reasoning others may call
UPG, which also his own advice helped devolop in my own approach.
He's still around, don't worry, and he'll come back as well.
Transmigration
may be some fancy outlandish concept for individuals to ponder who've
never done it or at least not remember they have. For the rest of us,
it's
as natural yet still mysterious as the whole rest of our being.

There is one quote that I can give away however, without breaking either
the code or implied promises made.

"The fundamental bottom line truth of these ways is universal and
expressed and or acted out based on Geography, Flora, Fauna, Language
and Culture. All the ancestral wise men all knew exactly the very same
truths. Know one system and you know them all. There can never be a
difference, only a variation on a common theme. The Druid had the May
pole and the Indian had the sun dance pole. All exactly the same story
played out in slightly differing ways, but the same knowledge and intent.

No one owns these ways, they are universal and belong to any of an
indigenous consciousness. However it is a total waiste of time to tutor
one who is not a natural."

Now there's a guy who figured out in a way greater scope than every
self proclaimed Druid I've ever come across so far, "celtic" or "gaelic".
But that's just my opinion. Mileage may vary.

I have learned that the universe speaks to us constantly, though what
is right in front of us at any given time. No need for altered
conciousness, meditations or astral travelling, just an understanding
of the patterns and what they could mean.

These messaages can be obvoius and sometimes more subtle requiring a
bit of divination or between-the-lines interpretation, but
effectively, it's all there, waiting to be decoded.

I suppose the above sound pretty obvious ;)

golwg

Matthew

On Oct 26, 7:11 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:

[brevity snip]

"The fundamental bottom line truth of these ways is universal and
expressed and or acted out based on Geography, Flora, Fauna,
Language and Culture. All the ancestral wise men all knew exactly
the very same truths. Know one system and you know them all.
There can never be a difference, only a variation on a common theme.
The Druid had the May pole and the Indian had the sun dance pole.
All exactly the same story played out in slightly differing ways, but
the same knowledge and intent.

No one owns these ways, they are universal and belong to any of an
indigenous consciousness. However it is a total waiste of time to
tutor one who is not a natural."

Now there's a guy who figured {corr: it} out in a way greater scope
than every self proclaimed Druid I've ever come across so far,
"celtic" or "gaelic". But that's just my opinion. Mileage may vary.

Good one, Dan. I can line up behind that. Nature is Good.

peacepeacepeace

Same same,
half half,
kif kif.

that's a Moroccan version of,-

Its the same but different.

If you climb your pole and i climb mine. are we poles apart?

I have learned that the universe speaks to us constantly, though what
is right in front of us at any given time. No need for altered
conciousness, meditations or astral travelling, just an understanding
of the patterns and what they could mean.

These messaages can be obvoius and sometimes more subtle requiring
a bit of divination or between-the-lines interpretation, but
effectively, it's all there, waiting to be decoded.

I suppose the above sound pretty obvious

helgaleenas at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 26, 7:11 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:

[brevity snip]

"The fundamental bottom line truth of these ways is universal and
expressed and or acted out based on Geography, Flora, Fauna,
Language and Culture. All the ancestral wise men all knew exactly
the very same truths. Know one system and you know them all.
There can never be a difference, only a variation on a common theme.
The Druid had the May pole and the Indian had the sun dance pole.
All exactly the same story played out in slightly differing ways, but
the same knowledge and intent.

No one owns these ways, they are universal and belong to any of an
indigenous consciousness. However it is a total waiste of time to
tutor one who is not a natural."

Now there's a guy who figured {corr: it} out in a way greater scope
than every self proclaimed Druid I've ever come across so far,
"celtic" or "gaelic". But that's just my opinion. Mileage may vary.

Good one, Dan. I can line up behind that. Nature is Good.

peacepeacepeace

You got it. Peacepeacepeace.

If everyone were to realize the simplicity of it all, also recognizing the
striking commonalities between indigenous consciousness in particular
and this regardless of location of its origin on the world map, a lot
would
be won already. Personally, I'd even go a step further and propose the
main battle between purely man-made isolationist religious intolerance
and all inclusive true human spirituality would be won this way.

But that would first require complete departure from those distinctly
biblical notions of "We are special" based on ethnicity X, yet old habits,
I suppose, are hard to break. This is especially true of those who may
think of themselves as antipodes to Judeo-Xtian dogma by following a
Druid way but at the same time, do not even realize the extent of
voluntary mental slavery to an ideology they meant to escape in the
first place, as soon as this "Druidry" is being declared exclusive
property of one people alone.

BTW this latter falsehood may just be the reason why 'Druidism' won't
ever even reach the popularity of Buddhism in mainstream society
but is generally considered the realm of some separatist nuts and quirks
who have entirely missed the boat to the Age of Aquarius. Oh well. :-}

"1X2Willows" <nospam at (no spam) least.invalid> wrote in message
news:hc7j5n$eco$1 at (no spam) news.albasani.net...

If everyone were to realize the simplicity of it all, also
recognizing the striking commonalities between indigenous
consciousness in particular and this regardless of location of its
origin on the world map,
...

This issue actually plays out on several different levels. People who
are used to defining a religion in Judeo-Christian-Romano terms
automatically assume Druidry as a spirituality must conform to this
pattern without realizing