On Oct 23, 9:38 am, guardian Snow <mr_snow_pheo... at (no spam) yahoo.com.au
wrote:
On Oct 24, 12:18 am, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

It is the spirit that gives life, not the Christ man of the flesh.

 The mission of the Holy Spirit is to glorify Yeshua, as he told u
s.

I have to wonder who you think is listening to this garbage. If you
choose to worship your fictional deity, I have no problem with that
but how come you are unable to actually follow his teachings?

Mat 10:12 “And as you enter into a house, greet it.
Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon i
t.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Mat 10:14 “And whoever does not receive you nor hear your words,
when
you leave that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
Mat 10:15 “Truly, I say to you, it shall be more bearable for the
land
of Seḏom and Amorah in the day of judgment than for that city!

I have to wonder who you think is listening to your endless
deliberate mass postings against the church and against the truth.

On 2009-10-24 04:34:29 +0100, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> said:



On Oct 23, 9:38 am, guardian Snow <mr_snow_pheo... at (no spam) yahoo.com.au
wrote:
On Oct 24, 12:18 am, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

It is the spirit that gives life, not the Christ man of the flesh.

 The mission of the Holy Spirit is to glorify Yeshua, as he told u
s.

I have to wonder who you think is listening to this garbage. If you
choose to worship your fictional deity, I have no problem with that
but how come you are unable to actually follow his teachings?

Mat 10:12 “And as you enter into a house, greet it.
Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon i
t.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Mat 10:14 “And whoever does not receive you nor hear your words,
when
you leave that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
Mat 10:15 “Truly, I say to you, it shall be more bearable for the
 land
of Seḏom and Amorah in the day of judgment than for that city!

 I have to wonder who you think is listening to your endless
deliberate mass postings against the church and against the truth.

Well, you obviously.

Mat 10:12 “And as you enter into a house, greet it.
Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Mat 10:14 “And whoever does not receive you nor hear your words, when
you leave that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
Mat 10:15 “Truly, I say to you, it shall be more bearable for the land
of Seḏom and Amorah in the day of judgment than for that city!

 I have to wonder who you think is listening to your endless
deliberate mass postings against the church and against the truth.

guardian Snow wrote:
On Oct 24, 12:18 am, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

It is the spirit that gives life, not the Christ man of the flesh.
 The mission of the Holy Spirit is to glorify Yeshua, as he told us.

I have to wonder who you think is listening to this garbage.

It is apparent that *you are*.

If you
choose to worship your fictional deity, I have no problem with that...

I don't have a fictional deity and it makes no difference to my faith
whether you have a problem with it or not.

Have a nice day.

Mat 10:12 “And as you enter into a house, greet it.
Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon i
t.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Mat 10:14 “And whoever does not receive you nor hear your words,
when
you leave that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
Mat 10:15 “Truly, I say to you, it shall be more bearable for the
 land
of Seḏom and Amorah in the day of judgment than for that city!

 I have to wonder who you think is listening to your endless
deliberate mass postings against the church and against the truth.

Well, you obviously.

No, I am not his desired audience. But he does like the free
advertising he gets when people reply to his posts.

On Oct 25, 2:53 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:



Mat 10:12 “And as you enter into a house, greet it.
Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon i
t.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Mat 10:14 “And whoever does not receive you nor hear your words,
when
you leave that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
Mat 10:15 “Truly, I say to you, it shall be more bearable for the
 land
of Seḏom and Amorah in the day of judgment than for that city!

 I have to wonder who you think is listening to your endless
deliberate mass postings against the church and against the truth.

Well, you obviously.

No, I am not his desired audience. But he does like the free
advertising he gets when people reply to his posts.

Then maybe you should stop giving me free advertising.  :)

Maybe you should actually practice what your fictional deity taught.

On Oct 23, 10:29pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
guardian Snow wrote:
On Oct 23, 1:28am, stirstickhagios <tpa... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

10 Commandments = Law of Moses

We are no longer under the Law of Moses.

Thank you for sharing your opinion, I disagree.

We are free from the condemnation of the law being judges, not
co-defendants.(Luke 22:30, John 10:16, Rom 8:1). You aren't: "For I
testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor
to do the whole law.Christ is become of no effect unto you" (Gal
5:3-4).

You are entitled to that point of view also Fred and I still disagree
being that I am one with the spirit that created me, I am worthy and
made whole by that spirit and I acknowledge this by serving with
passion and belief as I understand it, just as you do.

Joh 6:63 It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh does not profit
at all. The words that I speak to you are Spirit and are life.

It is the spirit that gives life, not the Christ man of the flesh.

guardian Snow wrote:
On Oct 23, 10:29pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto... at (no spam) tx.rr.com> wrote:
guardian Snow wrote:
On Oct 23, 1:28am, stirstickhagios <tpa... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

10 Commandments = Law of Moses

We are no longer under the Law of Moses.

Thank you for sharing your opinion, I disagree.

We are free from the condemnation of the law being judges, not
co-defendants.(Luke 22:30, John 10:16, Rom 8:1). You aren't: "For I
testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor
to do the whole law.Christ is become of no effect unto you" (Gal
5:3-4).

You are entitled to that point of view also Fred and I still disagree
being that I am one with the spirit that created me, I am worthy and
made whole by that spirit and I acknowledge this by serving with
passion and belief as I understand it, just as you do.

It isn't a matter of whatever floats your boat. There is one truth and there
are lies.

Joh 6:63 It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh does not profit
at all. The words that I speak to you are Spirit and are life.

It is the spirit that gives life, not the Christ man of the flesh.

Not your lying Spirit which insiniuates that someone else claimed it didn't.

On Oct 25, 2:18 am, guardian Snow <mr_snow_pheo... at (no spam) yahoo.com.au
wrote:



On Oct 25, 2:53 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Mat 10:12 “And as you enter into a house, greet it.
Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon i
t.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Mat 10:14 “And whoever does not receive you nor hear your words,
when
you leave that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
Mat 10:15 “Truly, I say to you, it shall be more bearable for the
 land
of Seḏom and Amorah in the day of judgment than for that city!

 I have to wonder who you think is listening to your endless
deliberate mass postings against the church and against the truth..

Well, you obviously.

No, I am not his desired audience. But he does like the free
advertising he gets when people reply to his posts.

Then maybe you should stop giving me free advertising.  :)

Maybe you should actually practice what your fictional deity taught.

It is clear you have nothing further to say to me, that's fine.

On Oct 26, 1:46 am, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:


I have no problem with agreeing to disagree with you and still claim
you as a friend.  I respect your belief and even urge you to hold on
to what you keep so passionately.  I respect you as a fellow human
being that deserves love.

I do not cling to your conflict view and on that topic:

“The conflict view asserts that only one strain of doctrine can assume
the commanding heights, and so all the progress of groups lower on the
faith chain depends on unseating others from power. Secular groups can
hold this view, believing that religion must be vanquished from the
earth, and so too with religious groups that believe secularism must
be destroyed.

This is why we hear about "breaking barriers" rather than encouraging
opportunity, about policies rather than freedom, about power rather
than entrepreneurship. For the media writing about all this, it is the
only intellectual model they have in mind. The conflict view of
society was taught to them in college and is reinforced daily in the
press. Also, unless you have some clear filter in mind, it seems like
the conflict view is supported by plenty of evidence, given that the
rise of the state has actually generated social antagonism where none
should exist.”
Llewellyn H. Rockwell

I do not believe your view must be destroyed, I only encourage you to
be better in action and stronger in belief.  Remember friend, conflict
can not survive without your participation.

The Text of the Athanasian Creed
Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he
hold the catholic faith. Which faith except everyone do keep whole and
undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the
catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and
Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the
substance.

For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another
of the Holy Spirit. But the godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of
the Holy Spirit, is all one, the glory equal, the majesty co-eternal.

Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.
The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit
uncreated. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and
the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.

The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. And
yet they are not three eternals, but one Eternal.

As also there are not three incomprehensibles, nor three uncreated,
but one Uncreated, and one Incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is
Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Spirit Almighty. And yet they
are not three almighties, but one Almighty.

So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. And
yet they are not three gods, but one God.

So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit
Lord. And yet not three lords, but one Lord.

For as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge each
Person by Himself to be both God and Lord, so we are also forbidden by
the catholic religion to say that there are three gods or three lords.

The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten. The Son is
of the Father alone, not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy
Spirit is of the Father, neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but
proceeding.

So there is one Father, not three fathers; one Son, not three sons;
one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

And in the Trinity none is before or after another; none is greater or
less than another, but all three Persons are co-eternal together and
co-equal. So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity
and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.

He therefore that will be saved is must think thus of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also
believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the
right faith is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus
Christ, the Son of God, is God and man; God, of the substance of the
Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of the substance of his
mother, born in the world; perfect God and perfect man, of a rational
soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching His
godhead; and inferior to the Father, as touching His manhood; who,
although He is God and man, yet he is not two, but one Christ; one,
not by conversion of the godhead into flesh but by taking of the
manhood into God; one altogether; not by confusion of substance, but
by unity of person. For as the rational soul and flesh is one man, so
God and man is one Christ; who suffered for our salvation, descended
into hell, rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into
heaven, He sits at the right hand of the Father, God Almighty, from
whence He will come to judge the quick and the dead. At His coming all
men will rise again with their bodies and shall give account for their
own works. And they that have done good shall go into life
everlasting; and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.

This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully, he
cannot be saved.

http://www.kencollins.com/why-09.htm

On Oct 25, 7:51 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote:



On Oct 26, 1:46 am, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

I have no problem with agreeing to disagree with you and still claim
you as a friend.  I respect your belief and even urge you to hold on
to what you keep so passionately.  I respect you as a fellow human
being that deserves love.

I do not cling to your conflict view and on that topic:

“The conflict view asserts that only one strain of doctrine can assume
the commanding heights, and so all the progress of groups lower on the
faith chain depends on unseating others from power. Secular groups can
hold this view, believing that religion must be vanquished from the
earth, and so too with religious groups that believe secularism must
be destroyed.

This is why we hear about "breaking barriers" rather than encouraging
opportunity, about policies rather than freedom, about power rather
than entrepreneurship. For the media writing about all this, it is the
only intellectual model they have in mind. The conflict view of
society was taught to them in college and is reinforced daily in the
press. Also, unless you have some clear filter in mind, it seems like
the conflict view is supported by plenty of evidence, given that the
rise of the state has actually generated social antagonism where none
should exist.�
Llewellyn H. Rockwell

I do not believe your view must be destroyed, I only encourage you to
be better in action and stronger in belief.  Remember friend, conflict
can not survive without your participation.

Interesting that you see me as combative and yourself as benign.
Thanks for the kind words.

This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully, he
cannot be saved.

...the typical co-redemption gospel of salvation by denominational correctness and not by
the grace of God.