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| Hetware... |
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:06 pm |
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
Quote: Hetware wrote:
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
Something I know well is that changing how one feels and behaves is not
as simple as knowing these are ill advised.
Then maybe you should be seeking the strength to do what you know is
right. Of course, even as we make our big mistakes some major part of us
knows we are wrong.
Strength implies the ability to apply force. Needing strength to change
ones behavior suggests there is some obstacle to be moved, or counter-force
to be overcome. I'm not sure that "overpowering" ones current behavioral
tendencies is the way to effect change. Just the opposite might be in
order. It's almost as if trying to force a change merely strengthens the
mechanisms maintaining the current behavior. |
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| Dirk Bruere at NeoPax... |
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:04 pm |
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Hetware wrote:
Quote: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
Hetware wrote:
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
Something I know well is that changing how one feels and behaves is not
as simple as knowing these are ill advised.
Then maybe you should be seeking the strength to do what you know is
right. Of course, even as we make our big mistakes some major part of us
knows we are wrong.
Strength implies the ability to apply force. Needing strength to change
ones behavior suggests there is some obstacle to be moved, or counter-force
to be overcome. I'm not sure that "overpowering" ones current behavioral
tendencies is the way to effect change. Just the opposite might be in
order. It's almost as if trying to force a change merely strengthens the
mechanisms maintaining the current behavior.
Depends.
Habits indulged are habits strengthened.
If you have the strength not to indulge the habit, after a time it fades.
Alternatively, "fake it 'til you make it".
Play a role until it is reality.
FFF
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff |
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| Hetware... |
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:12 pm |
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Heidi Graw wrote:
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"Hetware" <not at (no spam) home.none> wrote in message
news:5MSdndFLIeJKtjjXnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d at (no spam) speakeasy.net...
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Hetware wrote:
I'm still looking for a woman who wants children.
Hetware, not only do women have a biological clock,
but it appears men have one also.
https://publicaffairs.llnl.gov/news/news_releases/2006/NR-06-06-01.html
Remember, you are only 4 years younger than I. You're
really pushing it in terms of quality for reproduction.
You're going to have to assess whether or not you
are able to afford to take that risk.
You might have to consider reassessing just what it
is you want out of life. It may turn out that a more
realistic goal for you may be to find a suitable partner to
share your life you without children.
Anyway, you can google for more information about
sperm quality and age. Degeneration of DNA appears
to be one of those concerns.
Take care,
Heidi
72. Best have a son though he be late born
and before him the father be dead:
seldom are stones on the wayside raised
save by kinsmen to kinsmen.
72. Sonr er betri,
þótt sé sÃð of alinn
eftir genginn guma;
sjaldan bautarsteinar
standa brautu nær,
nema reisi niðr at nið. |
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| Hetware... |
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:04 pm |
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Heidi Graw wrote:
Quote: but she is pretty, isn't she?
Yes, she is.
I believe it's finally over. I could say a lot of hurtful things about her.
But I really do still care about her. She is just too far gone for me to
accept.
http://www.speakeasy.org/~hattons/bad-habit.jpg |
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| Dirk Bruere at NeoPax... |
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:22 pm |
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| Hetware... |
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:04 pm |
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
Quote: Hetware wrote:
Heidi Graw wrote:
but she is pretty, isn't she?
Yes, she is.
I believe it's finally over. I could say a lot of hurtful things about
her.
But I really do still care about her. She is just too far gone for me to
accept.
http://www.speakeasy.org/~hattons/bad-habit.jpg
Not bad looking.
She is also incredibly charming ... when she is sober ... which is rare.
She has several degrees from American University, and has accomplished much
in her life. Unfortunately, she has something lurking in her memories which
keeps her from facing the light of day.
I miss her terribly. I wish I could help her. I don't even know how to find
her right now. She is hiding from everybody who cares about her. |
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| Heidi Graw... |
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:28 pm |
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Quote: "Hetware" <not at (no spam) home.none> wrote in message
news:v62dnWNPDfgKQFLXnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d at (no spam) speakeasy.net...
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Quote: Hetware wrote:
I miss her terribly. I wish I could help her. I don't even know how to
find
her right now. She is hiding from everybody who cares about her.
<sigh> What a tragic story!
Why can't you just simply find a nice young woman
who knows how to bake cookies and knit baby booties?
Oh nevermind! They don't make those kinds anymore!
Besides, you would probably find someone like that
really boring! <chuckle>
Ah well...out of 3 billion or so females out there,
there's got to be one for Steven! Arghhh...
....needle in the haystack...keep looking...
Take care,
Heidi |
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| Hetware... |
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:22 pm |
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Heidi Graw wrote:
Quote:
"Hetware" <not at (no spam) home.none> wrote in message
news:v62dnWNPDfgKQFLXnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d at (no spam) speakeasy.net...
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Hetware wrote:
I miss her terribly. I wish I could help her. I don't even know how to
find
her right now. She is hiding from everybody who cares about her.
sigh> What a tragic story!
Why can't you just simply find a nice young woman
who knows how to bake cookies and knit baby booties?
Oh nevermind! They don't make those kinds anymore!
Besides, you would probably find someone like that
really boring! <chuckle
Ah well...out of 3 billion or so females out there,
there's got to be one for Steven! Arghhh...
...needle in the haystack...keep looking...
Take care,
Heidi
I changed my phone number so she can't call. I suspect she will go into
shock tomorrow. She is used to me being an immovable rock in a raging sea
of madness. I have always been there for her, without fail. I am not
unreachable - unless she is willing to risk the trip out to my apartment
which is well of her beaten path. She does have a key. If she uses it, I
will probably roll over and play dead. She has me at her mercy. She may
not know that, however. |
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| Dirk Bruere at NeoPax... |
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:06 pm |
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Hetware wrote:
Quote: Heidi Graw wrote:
"Hetware" <not at (no spam) home.none> wrote in message
news:v62dnWNPDfgKQFLXnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d at (no spam) speakeasy.net...
(snip)
Hetware wrote:
I miss her terribly. I wish I could help her. I don't even know how to
find
her right now. She is hiding from everybody who cares about her.
sigh> What a tragic story!
Why can't you just simply find a nice young woman
who knows how to bake cookies and knit baby booties?
Oh nevermind! They don't make those kinds anymore!
Besides, you would probably find someone like that
really boring! <chuckle
Ah well...out of 3 billion or so females out there,
there's got to be one for Steven! Arghhh...
...needle in the haystack...keep looking...
Take care,
Heidi
I changed my phone number so she can't call. I suspect she will go into
shock tomorrow. She is used to me being an immovable rock in a raging sea
of madness. I have always been there for her, without fail. I am not
unreachable - unless she is willing to risk the trip out to my apartment
which is well of her beaten path. She does have a key. If she uses it, I
will probably roll over and play dead. She has me at her mercy. She may
not know that, however.
Unless she uses the Net.
FFF
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show |
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| Hetware... |
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:16 pm |
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
Quote: Hetware wrote:
I changed my phone number so she can't call. I suspect she will go into
shock tomorrow. She is used to me being an immovable rock in a raging
sea
of madness. I have always been there for her, without fail. I am not
unreachable - unless she is willing to risk the trip out to my apartment
which is well of her beaten path. She does have a key. If she uses it,
I
will probably roll over and play dead. She has me at her mercy. She may
not know that, however.
Unless she uses the Net.
FFF
Dirk
Well, she used to spend a lot of time online. Written communication is a
strong point of hers. Sadly, the vodka prevents her from having any
interest in using the Internet anymore.
I really have to gain a greater sense of self-esteem vis-a-vis women. That
much I am learning from this exchange. When I have them at a distance, I do
quite well. In her case, she got past my defenses because I was not looking
to gain something for myself. I wanted to help her. It was after I let her
get close that she got her hooks in.
Damn! I hold plenty of strong cards. I just never called her bluff. We'll
see what happens not that I changed my cell phone #, and am working on
changing my land line. |
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| Heidi Graw... |
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:09 am |
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Quote: "Hetware" <not at (no spam) home.none> wrote in message
news:0PidnaVBUswwzUjXnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d at (no spam) speakeasy.net...
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Quote: I wanted to help her.
Well, I'm sure you did your best.
And I'm glad you realized that you
have your limits. The kind of help
she needs is way beyond the scope
of what you could provide.
I think you probably also learned
by now that she's going to have
to hit *her own* rock bottom which
will force her to make a decision
as to whether or not she wants
to live or die. If she wants to live,
she knows the professional help
is out there.
But, this has got to be awfully
painful for you, too, to know you
have to stand aside while you watch
her go down this awful downward
spiral. You cannot rescue her.
She has to do this on her own
for herself. Sink or swim. Only
she can decide what it is she
will ultimately end up doing.
You'll get through this painful
time, Steven. You've had worse
experiences which you managed
to conquer and you can do it again.
Take care,
Heidi |
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:14 pm |
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Heidi Graw wrote:
Quote:
"Hetware" <not at (no spam) home.none> wrote in message
news:0PidnaVBUswwzUjXnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d at (no spam) speakeasy.net...
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I wanted to help her.
Well, I'm sure you did your best.
And I'm glad you realized that you
have your limits. The kind of help
she needs is way beyond the scope
of what you could provide.
I have always told her, and I will tell you, the help she need is very
simple. It is called "love". If she would just open her heart to it, she
would heal.
Quote: I think you probably also learned
by now that she's going to have
to hit *her own* rock bottom which
will force her to make a decision
as to whether or not she wants
to live or die. If she wants to live,
she knows the professional help
is out there.
The one thing she seem to be in denial about is the fact that she is killing
herself.
Quote: But, this has got to be awfully
painful for you, too, to know you
have to stand aside while you watch
her go down this awful downward
spiral. You cannot rescue her.
She has to do this on her own
for herself. Sink or swim. Only
she can decide what it is she
will ultimately end up doing.
I don't completely buy into that idea. People can help others. My biggest
problem with her is that I have gotten too close. I can't stand back and
let her go when I need to. I need her. I am addicted to her like she is
addicted to vodka.
Quote: You'll get through this painful
time, Steven. You've had worse
experiences which you managed
to conquer and you can do it again.
No woman has ever had this much power over me. At least not for an extended
period. Well, except for my mother. Now, do you want the1-1
correspondences? Cream cheese on beagles. Cantaloupe melons. Pickled hot
peppers. It goes on and on. Spooky.
Damn! I miss that girl! |
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:27 am |
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Quote: "Hetware" <not at (no spam) home.none> wrote in message
news:6dCdnX9N94KeSkrXnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d at (no spam) speakeasy.net...
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Quote: Steven wrote:
I have always told her, and I will tell you, the help she need is very
simple. It is called "love".
Life is not some Beatles song...
"All you need is love...dum, de, dum, de, dum....
Love is all you need...blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."
Quote: If she would just open her heart to it, she
would heal.
....and therein lays the crux: *YOU* think
that *all she needs* to do is open up *her* heart.
It's not like she's got this "on" and "off" switch that
she can click at will. If she could so easily
switch on love, do you really think she'd
be in such a mess as she is in currently?
You can't just tell her to turn it on. She
has to want to. She's not there yet.
Quote: Steven wrote:
The one thing she seem to be in denial about is
the fact that she is killing herself.
Maybe, maybe not. She may be aware, but
doesn't care because she may not believe
she has something to live for. Can you think
of some reasons as to why she should live?
Have you talked with her about this? Should
she live simply because *you* say so? Because
*you* want her to? Maybe she thinks she has
nothing and no reason for going on living.
The vodka gives her an escape. She can
escape from the reality around her. So,
why does she want to escape? Have you
asked her this question?
(snip)
Quote: Steven wrote:
People can help others.
Sure, but the thing is: Does the
other person want the help?
*We* may think she needs help.
But, does *she* want the help?
Quote: My biggest problem with her is that I
have gotten too close. I can't stand back
and > let her go when I need to. I need her.
I am addicted to her like she is addicted to
vodka.
So, it's all about you, isn't it? The thing is,
Steven, that *she* chose vodka over you.
The vodka is her fix, not you!
Quote:
Damn! I miss that girl!
She's got something you want. But, you
have nothing she wants. The vodka is more
important to her than you. The challenge for
you is to try to convince her that you are
better than vodka.
From what I'm gathering, there is no reciprocal
addiction, ie. being addicted to each other. You're
addicted to her, and she's addicted to vodka.
What sort of relationship can you expect to
grow from that?
....plenty of other fish in the ocean. You could
always let her know that should she ever chose
you over vodka, you'll be waiting for her. But,
while you're doing that, keep an eye out for
a gal where the addiction is mutual...a shared
experience.
I hope I didn't come across as too callous.
I just get really angry when I see alcoholism
robbing people of their lives, and their happiness.
Odin teaches *moderation.* It's o.k. to get
the ocassional buzz, but don't end up addicted
to that crap! Sigh...
Anyway, Steven, you need to keep your wits
about you. Stay sober, excercise and eat
nutritious meals, even if you have to cook them
yourself. You've got family, friends, nieces
and nephews. They all need their Uncle Steve
around. You have lots to live for.
Maybe you can convince your girl to find something
worth living for aside from that vodka. Maybe a
transation of some sort could occur...weaning off
the vodka and finding a worthwhile life activity to
replace it.
I dunno...you know more about her than I.
You've probably tried all the trick out there.
<sigh>
Heidi |
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