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| scottlowther at (no spam) ix.netcom.com... |
 Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:01 am |
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/07/obama-bush-policies.html
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Obama administration officials have rejected a watchdog group's
request for a list of healthcare industry executives who've been
meeting secretly in the White House with Obama staffers to discuss
healthcare changes being drafted there and in Congress.
According to the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington,
which is suspicious of the influence of health industry lobbyists and
company officers, it received a letter from the Secret Service citing
an Obama Justice Department directive and denying access to visitor
logs under the "presidential communications privilege."
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Hmm. Where have I heard the exact opposite of this before... hmmm....
Feb 26 2008, 11:56 pm
Newsgroups: alt.religion.asatru
From: Someone else <republican_remove_sp... at (no spam) email.com>
I disagree. Obama is going to move the focus of American politics away
from the lobbies and the corporate interests... |
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| Dirk Bruere at NeoPax... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:17 pm |
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scottlowther at (no spam) ix.netcom.com wrote:
Quote: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/07/obama-bush-policies.html
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Obama administration officials have rejected a watchdog group's
request for a list of healthcare industry executives who've been
meeting secretly in the White House with Obama staffers to discuss
healthcare changes being drafted there and in Congress.
According to the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington,
which is suspicious of the influence of health industry lobbyists and
company officers, it received a letter from the Secret Service citing
an Obama Justice Department directive and denying access to visitor
logs under the "presidential communications privilege."
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Hmm. Where have I heard the exact opposite of this before... hmmm....
Feb 26 2008, 11:56 pm
Newsgroups: alt.religion.asatru
From: Someone else <republican_remove_sp... at (no spam) email.com
I disagree. Obama is going to move the focus of American politics away
from the lobbies and the corporate interests...
Don't worry Scott - Obama has several more years.
FFF
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff |
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| scottlowther at (no spam) ix.netcom.com... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:34 pm |
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On Jul 23, 7:39 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com>
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Quote: And for the final touch he can start two unwinnable wars for the next
guy to sort out.
Sure. But we don't have a recent history of anything like that to
compare it to. Look at Iraq and Afghanistan: both of them put
together, totaled up over more than seven years, cost *less* than the
increase in the yearly FedGuv budget defecit Obama racked up in his
first 100 days. He plans on furhter torpedoing the US economy by
taking over the health care industry, by enacting laws which have as a
consequnce the outlawing of private healthcare and the mandating of
*death* for the elderly.
Some fun facts:
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL
EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides
what treatments/benes u get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC
Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US
citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a
National ID Healthcard will b issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks
accts 4 elect. funds transfer
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their
families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans
under Govt control.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC
plans in the Exchange
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The
Govt will ration ur Healthcare!
PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs.
Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN &
Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U
Health care WILL b rationed
-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b
automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No
"judicial review" against Govt Monop
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU
what u can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt
plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND
their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not
prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub.
opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC
accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv.
taxes. (Americans will pay)
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have
access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not
be treated as tax" Yes, it says that
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid.
Seniors, low income, poor affected
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u
have, you'll all be paid the same
PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc.
Literally value of humans.
PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC
industries
PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven
wheelchairs
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer
patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems
preventable readmissions.
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that
results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.
Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells
Drs. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating
hospitals cannot expand
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community
input required. Can u say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based
measures. HC the way they want. Rationing
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans,
HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl!
WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory
Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think
Senior Citizens end of life
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living
wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of
life resources, guiding u in death
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The
Govt has a say in how ur life ends
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used
frequently as patients health deteriorates
PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of
life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an
end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will
have at end of life
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello,
ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment
2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?
PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which
means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage
Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining,
creating, rationing those svcs
Here's a simple challenge for those of you who think that Obama and
the Dem Congress are doing the right thing: read the text of bill HR
3200. You can download it here:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf
How is this a challenge? Simple: You have two days to read it and make
relevant notes. |
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| scottlowther at (no spam) ix.netcom.com... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:22 pm |
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On Jul 23, 10:02 pm, robert bowman <bow... at (no spam) montana.com> wrote:
Quote: I was just thinking this morning that I haven't seen the Women in Black
hanging around the Higgins Street Bridge lately. Apparently ramping up the
military by 20,000, not leaving Iraq, expanding the war in Afghanistan, and
shooting up Pakistan with R/C planes is fine if a Democrat does it.
Obama gets a pass from the far Left. But the electorate is building up
a good dose of buyers remorse.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100004404/barack-obama-discovers-socialist-projects-at-home-and-a-pro-marxist-foreign-policy-are-making-him-unpopular/
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Are the people rejecting their saviour? Barack Obama’s approval rating
has slipped to below that of George “Dubya” Bush at the same stage in
his presidency and this is causing some concern among right-thinking
(by which, of course, I mean left-thinking) people. This is by no
means the death of the dream that began in January – approval ratings
slide up and down erratically – but it is at least an early intimation
of mortality.
For this is no ordinary presidency, this is the reign on earth of The
One: his approval rating was intended to break the mould by rising
inexorably to 100 per cent and beyond. The problem about a mega-hype
like the Obama scam is that when it goes pear-shaped it will crash and
burn like nothing we have seen since that other hot-air powered
marvel, the Hindenburg. Here we are, six months into the great
adventure and already our hero is in deep doo-doo.
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Meanwhile, in the wider world, American foreign policy is beginning
very satisfactorily to fill the vacuum left by the Soviet Union. The
Obama administration has set itself the objective of establishing
Marxist regimes in the remaining democratic states of Latin America.
Fidel has had his thunder stolen by Barack. The current project, being
enthusiastically pursued by the White House, is to reinstate the
Marxist fruitcake Manuel Zelaya, client of Venezuelan strongman Hugo
Chavez, as president of Honduras.
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The administration is supposed to be the new, cerebral replacement for
dumb Dubya. So, how come it assumed, after the Honduran Congress and
Supreme Court, in accordance with the constitution, had ordered the
army to depose Zelaya that this was a “military coup”? The government
has been embarrassed by Washington lawyer Miguel Estrada bringing into
the public domain the fact that Article 239 of the Honduran
Constitution insists that any president proposing the permissibility
of re-election (as Zelaya did) “shall cease forthwith” in his office;
and that Article 4 defines such an “infraction” as treason.
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| Doug Freyburger... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:43 am |
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"scottlowt... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com" <scottlowt... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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Obamacare takeover fo the health care industry might have finally gone
belly-up ...
I sure hope so. Anyone who pays any attention at all gets that
the US has had socialized medicine for very many years and
what a disaster it is.
Military health care - Members of the US military plus some or
most veterans have had socialized medicine going back more than
half a century. Ask around among military and former military and
find out what they think. Both of my daughters are veterans and
they have little good to say about it. My experience when I was
enlisted was that it was an embarassment. The fact that there is
a federal law that military doctors can't be sued for malpractice
says much. The treatment of veterans whose crappy medical
care while they were in the military ended up with them out on
permanent disability says even more.
County hospital system - In the US if you don't have insurance
and you aren't able to pay full price out of your own pocket you
get sent to the local county hospital. On the one hand in the US
no one who has any choice in the matter gets their medical care
in the county hospital care system. On the other hand the care
available at a county hospital now is better than any care anywhere
in the world 50+ years ago. The gripping hand is if the US
switches to socialized medical all medical care will be like the
current county hospital system.
Enough people understand this that socialized medicine has
failed in Congress every time it's been proposed. Those who
favor it haven't thought through the conequences - The path to
hell is paved with good intentions and similar cliches. |
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| robert bowman... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:54 am |
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scottlowther at (no spam) ix.netcom.com wrote:
Quote: Obama gets a pass from the far Left. But the electorate is building up
a good dose of buyers remorse.
I didn't vote for the man, and he is turning out about as I expected. Had I
thought I had voted for change, I'd be severely pissed about now. Had I
voted for him as someone slightly more acceptable than McCain/Palin, I'd be
second guessing myself. I 'threw my vote away', knowing full well what it
was worth. |
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