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| bosco... |
 Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:46 pm |
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I was thinking today...if you can easiy determine what is 'real' from
what is not.. I have not had that problem in a long time.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:19 am |
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On Mar 31, 10:46 pm, bosco <boscopel... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: I was thinking today...if you can easiy determine what is 'real' from
what is not.. I have not had that problem in a long time.
ben
oh get real ben!
(hehe) sorry, couldn't resist
i try to always pay attention to little signs of confirmation in this
realm to confirm something i percieve in another realm.
I don't really have to pay attention too hard, most of the time a
confirmation will come direct, and be very apparant. Sometimes they
might come in a comical way, some of my spirits have a sense of humor
like that.
As far as a visual or perception I may get, I usually know when its
happening if its really "something" or just my imagination.
A flash or thought that comes to me out of no where I usually trust
better than a planned meditation where I purposely set out to figure
something out. Although both work, I just have to be careful to keep
my emotions/wants or feelings at bay with a planned journey,
l had a very hard day at work yesterday, my body felt broken and beat
literally. My mind was in overload from the fast pass my job can
demand on me sometimes. When I came home, I was still wound VERY
tight. My Mind racing with thoughts of the day. Body hurting needing
tylenol for the hurting feet and back. I layed in my bath tub half
full of warm water while still filling with more warm/hot water. I
was laying on my side, as the water flowed in touching my feet and
body. My feet began to feel as though they were _one_ big swaying
with the water weebed foot or fin....My mind began to feel
relaxed......my legs and feet rest together in that sideways position,
slowly and unconciously my legs held together began swaying in the
water together, enjoying the warm waters....needing them almost..
My mind took me to a beautiful healing place in the warm waters that
an inner piece of me recognized and felt home at.....I'm not sure who
I was, or maybe I am, but in that warm relaxing bathtub that
transformed into a tropical lagoon, more than my body was renewed, it
almost felt like a piece of my soul had come back into me after a week
at the draining place I call my job. Was I really a mermaid in a
tropical lagoon? HELL NO! But did something in me feel healed after
I felt like I touched a real tangable place in my soul? Hell yes!
go figure!
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| Néo... |
| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:17 am |
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bosco a écrit :
Quote: I was thinking today...if you can easiy determine what is 'real' from
what is not..
I'd dare saying, yes, I rather think so.
Most of the past "difficulties" that I met in this
direction were related to thinking about better
(extended, yet still rigorous) definitions of what
reality ultimately is, taking into account the sort
of experiences that we all are familiar with - of
the sort that makes us develop our awareness.
Quote: I have not had that problem in a long time.
ben
Well, fine then. :-)
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| Allan... |
| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:50 am |
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The answer I was given might seem a little strange at first sight. It
was this short statement. If it can be given to, or has a beneficial
effect on, another, then it has to be real. No matter how weird 'it,'
is.
Looks like I'm in for another fun night at the office.
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| bosco... |
| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:14 pm |
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On 2009-03-31 21:46:31 -0600, bosco <boscopelone at (no spam) yahoo.com> said:
Quote: I was thinking today...if you can easiy determine what is 'real' from
what is not.. I have not had that problem in a long time.
ben
I enjoy reading blogs on spirituality though most are anything but
spiritual. After reading blogs the other day, the light bulb turned on
about the process.
When I discovered ars, I was forced to accept that what was happening
to me was not something I could control. I was either insane and hiding
it well, or I was not.
A few of you helped me to understand and accept what was happening.
Through your help I learned not to dismiss new experiences lightly as
figments of my imagination, or a form of insanity. As regulars you have
been there, done that, and have the t-shirt, so I won't preach to the
choir to define this thought.
Reading those spiritualty blogs, I find most people are writing about
what they think or believe is true. They have taken a few precepts or
ideas, and decided that is the way it is. Then they write with tanacity
appearing to be experts on the subject. Which of course they are -
experts on what they decided is true for themselves.
On the other hand, they have nothing to support what they are writing
about beyond their decision that their thoughts are the truth. They do
not have a single experience, only subjective views to substantiate
what they write. That led me to think about most *ism's, and other
areas of occult, using the word occult to mean hidden knowledge.
When one becomes in some level of the occult, no matter what the basis,
to really have knowledge is much more than reading a book or two, and
regurgitating the pablum that was read using different words.
Because I have verified and repeatable experiences to draw from, I am
more liberal about what the truth is, and as a result I read some of
the blogs as humor. The only truth they speak from is one of what the
writer has decided is true, and nothing else. They have no experience
to draw from or share.
Going from there, I thought it may be interesting to discuss here on ars.
It is also something new for any lurkers to ponder as they decide what
is true and what is not.
Wow, I made a twisted trail of thought, sorry for the mess I made, but
I find it hard to write it out clearly.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:46 am |
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On Apr 1, 2:14 pm, bosco <boscopel... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On 2009-03-31 21:46:31 -0600, bosco <boscopel... at (no spam) yahoo.com> said:
I was thinking today...if you can easiy determine what is 'real' from
what is not.. I have not had that problem in a long time.
ben
I enjoy reading blogs on spirituality though most are anything but
spiritual. After reading blogs the other day, the light bulb turned on
about the process.
When I discovered ars, I was forced to accept that what was happening
to me was not something I could control. I was either insane and hiding
it well, or I was not.
A few of you helped me to understand and accept what was happening.
Through your help I learned not to dismiss new experiences lightly as
figments of my imagination, or a form of insanity. As regulars you have
been there, done that, and have the t-shirt, so I won't preach to the
choir to define this thought.
Reading those spiritualty blogs, I find most people are writing about
what they think or believe is true. They have taken a few precepts or
ideas, and decided that is the way it is. Then they write with tanacity
appearing to be experts on the subject. Which of course they are -
experts on what they decided is true for themselves.
On the other hand, they have nothing to support what they are writing
about beyond their decision that their thoughts are the truth. They do
not have a single experience, only subjective views to substantiate
what they write. That led me to think about most *ism's, and other
areas of occult, using the word occult to mean hidden knowledge.
When one becomes in some level of the occult, no matter what the basis,
to really have knowledge is much more than reading a book or two, and
regurgitating the pablum that was read using different words.
Because I have verified and repeatable experiences to draw from, I am
more liberal about what the truth is, and as a result I read some of
the blogs as humor. The only truth they speak from is one of what the
writer has decided is true, and nothing else. They have no experience
to draw from or share.
Going from there, I thought it may be interesting to discuss here on ars.
It is also something new for any lurkers to ponder as they decide what
is true and what is not.
Wow, I made a twisted trail of thought, sorry for the mess I made, but
I find it hard to write it out clearly.
ben
the ole dogma verses experience delema
I remember that one well.
when I first found ars, in 1999, I was struggling with a lot of
experiences and the only dogma or manual I had for it all was my
christian upbringing. I knew even as a very young woman that all the
pieces of my "experiences" didn't fit into the christian dogma, but I
really didn't know any other way.
When, I was about 19 years old, I had a leg cramp (bad) after jogging
one day. I layed on my bed and it was the first time I prayed to
"whomever" would hear me. (instead of a christian prayer). I simply
asked that if more than I knew as a christian was out there listening
to me, to please reveal themself to me, and to help my leg also. No
more than I said that prayer to "whomever" was out there listening,
and a stray cat came to my open window, and crawled on my bed with me,
the cat rubbed itself up and down my leg, and then left out the
window. My leg no longer hurt. I never could explain that, but it
was my first "experience" with KNOWING there was more to the picture
than I'd been taught in the dogma I grew up learning.
those sort of peculiar experiences increased as life went along.....as
well as several attempts at my life occurred also. I won't list them
all, but believe me when I tell you, something was always trying to
"take me out"....and yet, something else was always saving me from
those seriously close calls with death. I always saw the cup as half
full though, I didn't realize not everyone out there has so many close
calls with death. The experiences kept happening, the close calls
happened about once every five years, and then one day I had a dream
that DROVE me to find out more. The dream was a definate
reincarnation/past life dream, and when I came out of that dream, I
KNEW without a shadow of a doupt that that dream was more __real__ to
me than any christian dogma I'd learned all my life.....that was the
beginning of my spirituall quest to find answers to what had always
been happening to me. I found ars in 1999, and when I began to read
some of the posters here I began to read pieces of my own life and
experiences in their posts. They had labels and terms for the
experiences. Up until that point in my life, I didn't even know there
was terms to describe some of the things I'd been experiencing most of
my life. Terms and Labels are important for communication and
discussion, it keeps everyone on the same page as what kind of
experience one is talking about. So I learned to use those terms, and
it felt GOOD to have a term to describe some things. I cannot explain
the enormous feeling of "something was here to be learned" I
felt....but I felt it so STRONG, and was drawn here daily back then.
I found I was not alone here, I also found and respect that not all
interpret experiences the same way. Many have their own truth, and
that's OK! This also led me to know, after years here, I really
needed to find or figure my own path......which I did...
I've read some teachers (not here) say something like, "go talk to a
tree, but be sure to find a "little" tree, because a big tree will
blow you away".... WELL, that's all fine and dandy, but by that point
in my life, the big tree was already bombarding me....So, although I
knew nothing of dogma, I was way beyond the "little" tree....if that
makes sense.
As for my path....I found a path that teaches by poetic
inference......pretty much pointing a direction, but allowing the
student to find their own way....the Only real warning to this path
was that wisdom is like The Roebuck in the thicket, hidden away, and
hard to get to. The Lapwing in the thicket will try to steer you
away, misled you from the Roebuck....The Dog in the thicket will guard
the Roebuck, so you must find your way around the dog to get to the
Roebuck, and not be misled by the lapwing....other than that warning,
lol, there is no dogma to this path....so I was a bit of a lost duck,
lol, but so willing to learn.....And I found, when a student is REALLY
willing to learn what is happening to them, the Spirits emerge.
When this began, I also began reading suggested books. I quickly
began to get humbled by the way I was realizing many of my
"experiences" were apparantly deities (Which I'd NOT known or known
anything about up until that point) working thru me to give messages
to others.....(very long story) but the puzzle pieces began to make
sense....the charactorisitics were to a T.
I couldn't deny it, and I was humbled......yet, curious ....why me?
(one has to be careful of the lapwing of delusions of grandure when
one begins to ask "why me").....An old man set me straight on that
one, and simply let me know many out there are experiencing the same,
I was not alone.
I still study my path today, I'm quite sure, I could never teach my
path though, without the experiences I've had. If it were not for
experiences we experience any path/or/dogmas would just be merely
words. On the other hand, If ALL I had was experiences with no
direction, then I'd have no way of making sense of the experiences or
insights.....
Therefore, I believe the two (experience and knowledge) go together
well, and both are a necessity....
That's my truth, what works for ME. Thanks for letting me share it
here, this morning. IMHO, Any blogger out there that thinks they know
the Truth for ALL OF US, is a spiritual quack...
just my rambling two cents....
Tamara |
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| Randgrithr... |
| Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:00 pm |
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On Apr 2, 9:46 am, MagickRidingh... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: That's my truth, what works for ME. Thanks for letting me share it
here, this morning. IMHO, Any blogger out there that thinks they know
the Truth for ALL OF US, is a spiritual quack...
Gravity is part of my truth.
The Earth pulls down upon us with a force that is described as 9.806
meters per second per second.
It seems to work for all of us.
But yes, making generalizations can definitely often backfire. ;-7
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On Apr 4, 11:00 pm, Randgrithr <randgri... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 2, 9:46 am, MagickRidingh... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
That's my truth, what works for ME. Thanks for letting me share it
here, this morning. IMHO, Any blogger out there that thinks they know
the Truth for ALL OF US, is a spiritual quack...
Gravity is part of my truth.
The Earth pulls down upon us with a force that is described as 9.806
meters per second per second.
It seems to work for all of us.
Yes, and thank goodness for THAT truth!, but then again, tell that
truth to the uprooted-oleander-bush that hurled passed my front door
at 120 miles per hour in the gusts of Ike, along with everything else
hurling by. I guess, even fact/truths have their moments of
obscerity.
You bring to my mind, the importance of the balance of experience in
grounding. No matter how high (or low) the experience is, grounding
under a Live Oak sure helps (me) to settle things and balance the
experience into this realm and purpose in this life. Its a good time
to blend experience with knowledge.
Quote:
But yes, making generalizations can definitely often backfire. ;-7
for sure ; )
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| Randgrithr... |
| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:45 am |
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On Apr 7, 1:53 pm, MagickRidingh... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: On Apr 4, 11:00 pm, Randgrithr <randgri... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 2, 9:46 am, MagickRidingh... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
That's my truth, what works for ME. Thanks for letting me share it
here, this morning. IMHO, Any blogger out there that thinks they know
the Truth for ALL OF US, is a spiritual quack...
Gravity is part of my truth.
The Earth pulls down upon us with a force that is described as 9.806
meters per second per second.
It seems to work for all of us.
Yes, and thank goodness for THAT truth!, but then again, tell that
truth to the uprooted-oleander-bush that hurled passed my front door
at 120 miles per hour in the gusts of Ike, along with everything else
hurling by. I guess, even fact/truths have their moments of
obscerity.
I don't think I have to talk to your oleander bush. It landed
eventually,
like everything else. I don't need any ties to anyone's land to know
that.
Indeed, gravity is one of the reasons we have these storms at all.
It's also the reason most of us put on our pants one leg at a time.
Mind you, I
wouldn't presume to speak for you. ;-7 |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:26 am |
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On Apr 13, 3:44 pm, Randgrithr <randgri... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 13, 9:59 am, MagickRidingh... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
A storm could literally hit you on the head, in fact it has, and still
not quite
penetrate the concrete.
Ike was certainly not the first or strongest hurricane I've been
through...lol
Nor was it the worst one my mom ever went through.
Nor was it worse than any one my grandmother ever went through.
Nor was it worse than any hurricane my great-grandmother went
through.
That's the point, that your concrete easily contempted brain never
got....lol
These storms have -always- been as bad as they are now, FOR
CENTURIES....And,The only thing more frequent about them now, is how
frequent CNN has decided to cover them, ever since Hurricane Andrew in
the early 90s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galveston_Hurricane_of_1900
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| Randgrithr... |
| Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:00 am |
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On Apr 25, 8:26 am, MagickRidingh... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: On Apr 13, 3:44 pm, Randgrithr <randgri... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 13, 9:59 am, MagickRidingh... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
A storm could literally hit you on the head, in fact it has, and still
not quite
penetrate the concrete.
Ike was certainly not the first or strongest hurricane I've been
through...lol
Nor was it the worst one my mom ever went through.
Nor was it worse than any one my grandmother ever went through.
Nor was it worse than any hurricane my great-grandmother went
through.
That's the point, that your concrete easily contempted brain never
got....lol
Yeah, I don't quite get it, Tamara, in part because I can google
postings of yours where you whine about how terrible it all was. Make
up your mind. Was it bad or wasn't it? You're so anxious to ensure
that "I don't get it" that you LIE from one moment to the next. "Oh,
my house was destroyed, but it ain't nothin' but a thang!" Do you have
any idea how STUPID, PETTY and DISHONEST you sound?
You have no clue about working with/against storms and clearly you
never will. You're a troll, Tamara: dishonest and clueless when it
comes to shamanism. You deserved everything you got, and you're
cruising for more.
I'd tell you to get lost except it's clear you're well and truly
already there. Keep it up. You are your own reward. I'll have my
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