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buckeye...
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:55 am
 
Why Is America So Religious?
http://blow.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/why-is-america-so-religious/

September 29, 2008, 11:38 am
Why Is America So Religious?
By Charles M. Blow

I found this chart buried in a study entitled “Unfavorable views of Jews
and Muslims on the Increase in Europe”
http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=262
(which is quite disturbing). The report is part of the Pew Research
Center’s Global Attitudes Project.

The chart shows that the wealthier a country is, the less important
religion is to that country. The one exception: The United States.

[ the chart which goes here in the article interesting in itself ]

From the study:

“The clear exception to this pattern is the United States, which is a
much more religious country than its degree of prosperity would suggest.
Despite its wealth, the United States is in the middle of the global pack
when it comes to the importance of religion. Indeed, on this question, the
U.S. is closer to considerably less developed nations such as India, Brazil
and Lebanon than to other western nations.”

Why do you think this is? Let’s discuss …
************************************************************************
[end article]

There are 453 comments to the above article which can be read there online

***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
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HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
 
Nosterill...
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:55 am
 
On Oct 14, 11:55 am, buckeye <buckeye... at (no spam) nospam.net> wrote:
Quote:
Why Is America So Religious?http://blow.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/why-is-america-so-religious/

September 29, 2008, 11:38 am
Why Is America So Religious?
By Charles M. Blow

I found this chart buried in a study entitled “Unfavorable views of Jews
and Muslims on the Increase in Europe”http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=262
(which is quite disturbing). The report is part of the Pew Research
Center’s Global Attitudes Project.

The chart shows that the wealthier a country is, the less important
religion is to that country. The one exception: The United States.

[ the chart which goes here in the article  interesting in itself ]

From the study:

    “The clear exception to this pattern is the United States, which is a
much more religious country than its degree of prosperity would suggest.
Despite its wealth, the United States is in the middle of the global pack
when it comes to the importance of religion. Indeed, on this question, the
U.S. is closer to considerably less developed nations such as India, Brazil
and Lebanon than to other western nations.”

Why do you think this is? Let’s discuss …
************************************************************************

Wow! That's quite an anomaly. The other surprise - for me - was Russia
ranking as more religious than most of Western Europe despite
generations of suppression. That kind of resilience in the face of
oppression is initially heart warming but it also paints a depressing
picture for the future. Irrational religiosity seems to be so deeply
ingrained that it will be around for as long as humans are.
 
Middle Class Warrior...
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:48 am
 
buckeye wrote:
Quote:
Why Is America So Religious?
http://blow.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/why-is-america-so-religious/

September 29, 2008, 11:38 am
Why Is America So Religious?
By Charles M. Blow

I found this chart buried in a study entitled “Unfavorable views of Jews
and Muslims on the Increase in Europe”
http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=262
(which is quite disturbing). The report is part of the Pew Research
Center’s Global Attitudes Project.

The US is wealthy, but the wealth is concentrated at the top. the
distribution of wealth and income is more equitable in European
countries. The social system does a better job in Europe of caring for
it citizens so there is little need to pray for better days.

The Europeans saw the failure of religion in WW 2. In particular the
Catholic Church never stood up against fascism and NAZIsm and paid a
price when these forces of darkness were defeated by the Allied forces.
Keep in mind, too, that there is more robust socialist movement in
Europe than in the US and many socialists are atheist or agnostic. The
US was spared the horrors that devastated Europe in WW 2 which affected
the faith of many Europeans.

Many Americans believe in God because they thinks it will somehow
benefit their family or assure their passage into Heaven which has
always been the big payoffs in religion. I believe in myself and do not
believe supernatural forces have affected my life one bit.

You can study moral philosophy to arrive at universal principals such as
Kant's categorical imperative. Like some Jews I plan to make my heaven
on Earth and don't believe in Judeo-Christian fairy tales about a
hereafter.

I think my values and attitude toward other people, races and
nationalities is more centered and humane than people who call
themselves Christian. I do not fell compelled to change anyone to my way
of thinking which is a virtue of Buddhism and Judaism.

Americans are horribly conformist which may also explain their need to
belong to a church. I view a church as fundamentally a tax free sales
organization that has the goal to build bigger and better churches and
church schools to indoctrinate more people into a particular creed.
There are churches that do devote tremendous energy and resources to
charities and national disasters that struck New Orleans and Galveston.
This seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

When George Bush wanted to get the government out of the welfare
business, the evangelicals were not happy about it because they claimed
that is not what they do. I would certainly agree. Expanding the flock
and fund raising seems to be the top priorities. Churches are more like
businesses today.

Sorry, but this is not my cup of tea. I'm opting out.
 
Sla#s...
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:51 pm
 
buckeye wrote:
Quote:
Why Is America So Religious?
SNIP
"The clear exception to this pattern is the United States, which
is a much more religious country than its degree of prosperity would
suggest. Despite its wealth, the United States is in the middle of
the global pack when it comes to the importance of religion. ...

Could it be that the USA is not as wealthy as it thinks it is?
Some parts of the US are a lot poorer that would be acceptable in Europe!
Could it be that it is not the average wealth but the half below the average
that delineates the religiosity?
Is it for example the poorer half that are the drivers of US religiosity?

Slatts
 
Tim McGaughy...
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:44 pm
 
Sla#s wrote:
Quote:
buckeye wrote:
Why Is America So Religious?
SNIP
"The clear exception to this pattern is the United States, which
is a much more religious country than its degree of prosperity would
suggest. Despite its wealth, the United States is in the middle of
the global pack when it comes to the importance of religion. ...

Could it be that the USA is not as wealthy as it thinks it is?
Some parts of the US are a lot poorer that would be acceptable in Europe!
Could it be that it is not the average wealth but the half below the
average that delineates the religiosity?
Is it for example the poorer half that are the drivers of US religiosity?

I wouldn't count on it. Oh, they certainly do their part, but it's a
cycle of sorts.

The poor believe the religious crap because their rich leaders do. The
rich PRETEND to believe the religious crap, because it makes the poor
more easily led.

They feed off each other.
 
buckeye...
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:08 am
 
sk8r-365 <sk8r-365 at (no spam) sk8r.debian.lenny.invalid.org> wrote:

Quote:
:|buckeye made a definite or systematic statement of:
Neutral
Neutral> Why Is America So Religious?
Neutral> http://blow.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/why-is-america-so-religious/
Neutral
Neutral> September 29, 2008, 11:38 am
Neutral> Why Is America So Religious?
Neutral> By Charles M. Blow
Neutral<snip
Neutral
:|buckeye, I'd *like* to know what you think of such things as you post
:|when you post 'em.

Really?
That is kewl.


***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
 
Therion Ware...
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:53 am
 
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:55:57 -0400, buckeye <buckeyeelo at (no spam) nospam.net>
wrote:

Quote:

Why Is America So Religious?
http://blow.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/why-is-america-so-religious/

September 29, 2008, 11:38 am
Why Is America So Religious?
By Charles M. Blow

I found this chart buried in a study entitled “Unfavorable views of Jews
and Muslims on the Increase in Europe”
http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=262
(which is quite disturbing). The report is part of the Pew Research
Center’s Global Attitudes Project.

The chart shows that the wealthier a country is, the less important
religion is to that country. The one exception: The United States.

[ the chart which goes here in the article interesting in itself ]

From the study:

“The clear exception to this pattern is the United States, which is a
much more religious country than its degree of prosperity would suggest.
Despite its wealth, the United States is in the middle of the global pack
when it comes to the importance of religion. Indeed, on this question, the
U.S. is closer to considerably less developed nations such as India, Brazil
and Lebanon than to other western nations.”


I read an interesting piece recently (can't for the life of me
remember where...) that suggested that the religious propensity of
people in the USA can be at least partly explained by the uncertainty
of life in that country: lack of a NHS, little in the way of social
safety nets, at-will employment, et al. Undoubtedly simplistic, but I
thought it an interesting and fairly original take on the, ah,
problem...
 
Dag Yo...
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:08 pm
 
Europe: enlightenment and kept going with it.
USA: revivals

On Oct 14, 3:55 am, buckeye <buckeye... at (no spam) nospam.net> wrote:
Quote:
Why Is America So Religious?http://blow.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/why-is-america-so-religious/

September 29, 2008, 11:38 am
Why Is America So Religious?
By Charles M. Blow

I found this chart buried in a study entitled “Unfavorable views of Jews
and Muslims on the Increase in Europe”http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=262
(which is quite disturbing). The report is part of the Pew Research
Center’s Global Attitudes Project.

The chart shows that the wealthier a country is, the less important
religion is to that country. The one exception: The United States.

[ the chart which goes here in the article interesting in itself ]

From the study:

“The clear exception to this pattern is the United States, which is a
much more religious country than its degree of prosperity would suggest.
Despite its wealth, the United States is in the middle of the global pack
when it comes to the importance of religion. Indeed, on this question, the
U.S. is closer to considerably less developed nations such as India, Brazil
and Lebanon than to other western nations.”

Why do you think this is? Let’s discuss …
************************************************************************
[end article]

There are 453 comments to the above article which can be read there online

***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of Americahttp://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Presenthttp://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and Statehttp://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&Statehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************

 
Phlip...
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:46 pm
 
Quote:
I read an interesting piece recently (can't for the life of me
remember where...) that suggested that the religious propensity of
people in the USA can be at least partly explained by the uncertainty
of life in that country: lack of a NHS, little in the way of social
safety nets, at-will employment, et al. Undoubtedly simplistic, but I
thought it an interesting and fairly original take on the, ah,
problem...

The poorer a household, the greater the proportional value of its religious
icon.
 
DanielSan...
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:49 pm
 
Phlip wrote:
Quote:
I read an interesting piece recently (can't for the life of me
remember where...) that suggested that the religious propensity of
people in the USA can be at least partly explained by the uncertainty
of life in that country: lack of a NHS, little in the way of social
safety nets, at-will employment, et al. Undoubtedly simplistic, but I
thought it an interesting and fairly original take on the, ah,
problem...

The poorer a household, the greater the proportional value of its religious
icon.



http://the-wawg-blog.org/wp-images/5-2006/Religion_rank_wealth.png

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Phlip...
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:01 pm
 
Quote:
The poorer a household, the greater the proportional value of its
religious icon.

http://the-wawg-blog.org/wp-images/5-2006/Religion_rank_wealth.png

My browser can't hit that.

Quote:
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *

Of course, the poor Athiest households have a small shrine to Carl Sagan...
 
Phlip...
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:08 pm
 
Quote:
http://the-wawg-blog.org/wp-images/5-2006/Religion_rank_wealth.png

My browser can't hit that.

http://the-wawg-blog.org/?m=200605

Good stuff tx.
 
DanielSan...
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:09 pm
 
Phlip wrote:
Quote:
The poorer a household, the greater the proportional value of its
religious icon.

http://the-wawg-blog.org/wp-images/5-2006/Religion_rank_wealth.png

My browser can't hit that.

Get a better browser?

Quote:

* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *

Of course, the poor Athiest households have a small shrine to Carl Sagan...



What's an "Athiest"?

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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He *
* can't eat it? *
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Phlip...
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:25 am
 
Quote:
Of course, the poor Athiest households have a small shrine to Carl
Sagan...

What's an "Athiest"?

Someone who is so "more skeptical than thou" that they pretend they can't
read past simple typos on chat forums.
 
DanielSan...
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:39 am
 
Phlip wrote:
Quote:
Of course, the poor Athiest households have a small shrine to Carl
Sagan...

What's an "Athiest"?

Someone who is so "more skeptical than thou" that they pretend they can't
read past simple typos on chat forums.

Sorry, but you have TWO typos there. 1) You capitalized the letter "A".
Since "atheist" is not a proper noun, there was no need to capitalize
it (unless it were part of a title but then you didn't capitalize the
"H" in "households") and 2) spelling it "athiest" shows an utter
disregard for what the word means.

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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He *
* can't eat it? *
****************************************************
 
 
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