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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:35 am |
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From the Vatican to Al Azhar
Idris Tawfiq, a British Catholic priest who became a convert to Islam,
is a source of fascination in his adopted home in Cairo . Mary
Fitzgerald spoke to him about his personal journey of discovery.
A De La Salle brother for 15 years, Idris later studied for the
priesthood in Rome . Doubts about his vocation eventually led him to
leave the priesthood, triggering a period of uncertainty about what
direction his life would take.
He decided to take some time off, booking a charter flight to
Hurghada, a package holiday resort that hugs Egypt 's Red Sea coast.
Soon bored of the beach, he headed to Cairo and experienced a culture
shock quite different to what he had expected. For the first time in
his life he met and talked to Muslims, observing their rituals up
close. Hearing the call to prayer and watching people stop everything
to turn towards Mecca left a deep impression.
"That week's holiday more than anything else changed my life," he
explains. "It began to sow the seeds of Islam within me. It was the
first time I had spoken to, or even met, Muslims. I saw that they
weren't sabre-rattling fanatics, they were just ordinary people. More
than that, they were very gentle people and faith-filled in a way I
had never seen before."
“On my return I resumed my old job of teaching religion. The only
compulsory subject in British education is Religious Studies. I was
teaching about Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism and others. So
everyday I had to read about these religions to be able to teach my
lessons to the students, many of whom were Arab Muslim refugees. In
other words, teaching about Islam taught me many things.
“Unlike many troublesome teenagers, these students set a good example
of what a Muslim could be. They were polite and kind. So a friendship
developed between us and they asked if they could use my classroom for
prayers during the fasting month of Ramadan. “Luckily, my room was the
only one with a carpet. So I got accustomed to sitting at the back,
watching them praying for a month. I sought to encourage them by
fasting during Ramadan with them, even though I wasn’t yet a Muslim.
“Once while reciting a translation of the holy Qur’an in class I
reached the verse: ‘And when they listen to the revelation received by
the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for
they recognize the truth.’ To my surprise, I felt tears welling up in
my eyes and I tried hard to hide it from the students.”
A chance meeting with Yusuf Islam, formerly Cat Stevens, at London 's
Central Mosque, proved pivotal. "I found myself asking him 'What do
you actually do to become a Muslim?'. He answered that a Muslim should
believe in one God, pray five times a day and fast during Ramadan. I
interrupted him saying that I believed all this and had even fasted
with my Muslim students during Ramadan. "So he asked, 'What are you
waiting for? What is holding you back?' I told him I didn't intend to
convert. "At that moment the call to prayer was made and everyone got
ready and stood in lines to pray. I sat at the back, and I cried and
cried. Then I said to myself, 'Who am I trying to fool?'"
The formal process of conversion in Islam is simple. In front of
witnesses, the would-be Muslim recites the Shahada, or declaration of
faith, acknowledging the existence of one God, Allah, with Mohammed as
his prophet.
Idris formally converted in the venerable surroundings of Cairo 's Al
Azhar mosque, Sunni Islam's oldest seat of learning. He later took the
Muslim name Idris Tawfiq - Idris, the name of a prophet, and Tawfiq,
the Arabic word for good fortune.
"People and events led me to Islam," he says. "What made me leave the
church was not any problem I had with it. And it wasn't about belief
or anything like that. "I cherish my past in the church, I enjoyed
what I did, I love all those people I worked with and treat what they
believe with reverence. I just wasn't happy inside."
He falters when asked what he sees in Islam that Catholicism lacked.
"That's a very loaded question," he says, grimacing.
The biggest difference, then? "I would say that Islam is completely
God-centred," he answers tentatively. "It is not about what Jesus did
for me and it's not about offering prayers for myself. The whole thing
revolves around Allah.
"The other thing is that Islam covers every aspect of life. It's not a
going-to-church-on-Sunday religion, it's not even a going-to-Mass-
every-morning and leading a good and holy life religion. "Islam tells
you how to greet people, how to eat your food, how to enter a room -
how to do everything in life. Whilst Muslims are not saints, Islam
encourages Muslims to think about God all the time. Islam, in its
essence, attributes everything to God. For Muslims, Islam is
everything."
Did he experience periods of doubt leading up to his conversion? "No,
none at all," he answers. "Although one of my barriers to becoming a
Muslim was the story of Abraham. The Bible says Abraham was going to
sacrifice his son Isaac, the Koran says it was Ismael. "It may seem
odd, but I wrestled with this for a long time. I thought one of them
must be wrong, both cannot be right. But at the end of the day, as
with any faith, you have to take that leap and accept the essence of
what Islam says. "I have no problem with 'There is no God but God' -
I've always believed in that. And Muhammad is his messenger? I have
learned and come to understand that core."
There is little data available on the number of converts to Islam. One
survey in the US claims 100,000 people convert every year. The same
research found that for every male that converts to Islam, four women
do the same. A recent study by Yahya (formerly Jonathan) Birt, son of
Lord Birt, former director-general of the BBC, used census figures to
conclude that there are now 14,200 white converts in Britain .
"I think people who embrace Islam see a calmness and simplicity that
many have not experienced before," says Idris. "I don't see it as
rigid, it's empowering. Islam is beautiful, sweet and gentle. "All the
values that used to exist in Britain and Ireland 30 or 40 years ago -
respect for your parents, your elders - they all exist in the Muslim
world still."
Idris Tawfiq’s website can be accessed at www.idristawfiq.com |
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:03 am |
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This is alt.bible.prophecy we don't want any rag head propaganda round
here so FO mate.
arah wrote:
Quote: From the Vatican to Al Azhar
Idris Tawfiq, a British Catholic priest who became a convert to Islam,
is a source of fascination in his adopted home in Cairo . Mary
Fitzgerald spoke to him about his personal journey of discovery.
A De La Salle brother for 15 years, Idris later studied for the
priesthood in Rome . Doubts about his vocation eventually led him to
leave the priesthood, triggering a period of uncertainty about what
direction his life would take.
He decided to take some time off, booking a charter flight to
Hurghada, a package holiday resort that hugs Egypt 's Red Sea coast.
Soon bored of the beach, he headed to Cairo and experienced a culture
shock quite different to what he had expected. For the first time in
his life he met and talked to Muslims, observing their rituals up
close. Hearing the call to prayer and watching people stop everything
to turn towards Mecca left a deep impression.
"That week's holiday more than anything else changed my life," he
explains. "It began to sow the seeds of Islam within me. It was the
first time I had spoken to, or even met, Muslims. I saw that they
weren't sabre-rattling fanatics, they were just ordinary people. More
than that, they were very gentle people and faith-filled in a way I
had never seen before."
�On my return I resumed my old job of teaching religion. The only
compulsory subject in British education is Religious Studies. I was
teaching about Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism and others. So
everyday I had to read about these religions to be able to teach my
lessons to the students, many of whom were Arab Muslim refugees. In
other words, teaching about Islam taught me many things.
�Unlike many troublesome teenagers, these students set a good example
of what a Muslim could be. They were polite and kind. So a friendship
developed between us and they asked if they could use my classroom for
prayers during the fasting month of Ramadan. �Luckily, my room was the
only one with a carpet. So I got accustomed to sitting at the back,
watching them praying for a month. I sought to encourage them by
fasting during Ramadan with them, even though I wasn�t yet a Muslim.
�Once while reciting a translation of the holy Qur�an in class I
reached the verse: �And when they listen to the revelation received by
the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for
they recognize the truth.� To my surprise, I felt tears welling up in
my eyes and I tried hard to hide it from the students.�
A chance meeting with Yusuf Islam, formerly Cat Stevens, at London 's
Central Mosque, proved pivotal. "I found myself asking him 'What do
you actually do to become a Muslim?'. He answered that a Muslim should
believe in one God, pray five times a day and fast during Ramadan. I
interrupted him saying that I believed all this and had even fasted
with my Muslim students during Ramadan. "So he asked, 'What are you
waiting for? What is holding you back?' I told him I didn't intend to
convert. "At that moment the call to prayer was made and everyone got
ready and stood in lines to pray. I sat at the back, and I cried and
cried. Then I said to myself, 'Who am I trying to fool?'"
The formal process of conversion in Islam is simple. In front of
witnesses, the would-be Muslim recites the Shahada, or declaration of
faith, acknowledging the existence of one God, Allah, with Mohammed as
his prophet.
Idris formally converted in the venerable surroundings of Cairo 's Al
Azhar mosque, Sunni Islam's oldest seat of learning. He later took the
Muslim name Idris Tawfiq - Idris, the name of a prophet, and Tawfiq,
the Arabic word for good fortune.
"People and events led me to Islam," he says. "What made me leave the
church was not any problem I had with it. And it wasn't about belief
or anything like that. "I cherish my past in the church, I enjoyed
what I did, I love all those people I worked with and treat what they
believe with reverence. I just wasn't happy inside."
He falters when asked what he sees in Islam that Catholicism lacked.
"That's a very loaded question," he says, grimacing.
The biggest difference, then? "I would say that Islam is completely
God-centred," he answers tentatively. "It is not about what Jesus did
for me and it's not about offering prayers for myself. The whole thing
revolves around Allah.
"The other thing is that Islam covers every aspect of life. It's not a
going-to-church-on-Sunday religion, it's not even a going-to-Mass-
every-morning and leading a good and holy life religion. "Islam tells
you how to greet people, how to eat your food, how to enter a room -
how to do everything in life. Whilst Muslims are not saints, Islam
encourages Muslims to think about God all the time. Islam, in its
essence, attributes everything to God. For Muslims, Islam is
everything."
Did he experience periods of doubt leading up to his conversion? "No,
none at all," he answers. "Although one of my barriers to becoming a
Muslim was the story of Abraham. The Bible says Abraham was going to
sacrifice his son Isaac, the Koran says it was Ismael. "It may seem
odd, but I wrestled with this for a long time. I thought one of them
must be wrong, both cannot be right. But at the end of the day, as
with any faith, you have to take that leap and accept the essence of
what Islam says. "I have no problem with 'There is no God but God' -
I've always believed in that. And Muhammad is his messenger? I have
learned and come to understand that core."
There is little data available on the number of converts to Islam. One
survey in the US claims 100,000 people convert every year. The same
research found that for every male that converts to Islam, four women
do the same. A recent study by Yahya (formerly Jonathan) Birt, son of
Lord Birt, former director-general of the BBC, used census figures to
conclude that there are now 14,200 white converts in Britain .
"I think people who embrace Islam see a calmness and simplicity that
many have not experienced before," says Idris. "I don't see it as
rigid, it's empowering. Islam is beautiful, sweet and gentle. "All the
values that used to exist in Britain and Ireland 30 or 40 years ago -
respect for your parents, your elders - they all exist in the Muslim
world still."
Idris Tawfiq�s website can be accessed at www.idristawfiq.com |
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Dear U2Fan
Yusaf Estes is a prominent Scholar who travels around the Globe
Spreading the message of God, he also distributes video and audio
lectures. Below is a very interesting short autobiography of how he
converted from a Christian Preacher to a Muslim Chaplin, Yusuf Estes
has written a short biography of himself and published it on his
website http://www.islamtomorrow.com and www.islamtoday.com.
"My name is Yusuf Estes and I am the National Muslim Chaplain for
American Muslims, sponsored by a number of organizations here in
Washington, DC. As such, I travel around the entire world lecturing
and sharing the message of the Christ of the Quran in Islam. We hold
dialogs and discussion groups with all faiths and enjoy the
opportunity to work alongside of rabbis, ministers, preachers and
priests everywhere. Most of our work is in the institutional area,
military, universities and prisons. Primarily our goal is to educate
and communicate the correct message of Islam and who the Muslims
really are. Although Islam has grown now to tie Christianity as the
largest of religions on earth, we see many of those who claim Islam as
Muslims, that do not correctly understand nor properly represent the
message of "Peace, Surrender and Obedience to God" (Arabic = 'Islam').
Dear me, I am afraid that I got a bit ahead of myself, I was trying to
give a bit of background on my own personal experience to see if it
would in anyway benefit you in your ministry. This may seem quite
strange that I would offer to help you, while we perhaps share a few
different perspectives and concepts of God, Jesus, prophet hood, sin
and salvation. But you see, at one time I was in the same boat as you.
Really, I was. Let me explain.
I was born into a very strong Christian family in the Midwest. Our
family
Christian Musician Minister - 1988
and their ancestors not only built the churches and schools across
this land, but actually were the same ones who came here in the first
place. While I was still in elementary we relocated in Houston, Texas
in 1949 (I'm old). We attended church regularly and I was baptized at
the age of 12 in Pasadena, Texas. As a teenager, I wanted to visit
other churches to learn more of their teachings and beliefs. The
Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians, Charismatic movements, Nazarene,
Church of Christ, Church of God, Church of God in Christ, Full Gospel,
Agape, Catholic, Presbyterian and many more. I developed quite a
thirst for the "Gospel" or as we say; "Good News." My research into
religion did not stop with Christianity. Not at all. Hinduism,
Judaism, Buddhism, Metaphysics, native American beliefs were all a
part of my studies. Just about the only one that I did not look into
seriously was "Islam". Why? Good question.
Anyway, I became very interested in different types of music,
especially Gospel and Classical. Because my whole family was religious
and musical it followed that I too would begin my studies in both
areas. All this set me for the logical position of Music Minister in
many of the churches that I became affiliated with over the years. I
started teaching keyboard instruments in 1960 and by 1963 owned my own
studios in Laurel, Maryland, called "Estes Music Studios."
Over the next 30 years my father and I worked together in many
business projects. We had entertainment programs, shows and
attractions. We opened piano and organ stores all the way from Texas
and Oklahoma to Florida. I made millions of dollars in those years,
but could not find the peace of mind that can only come through
knowing the truth and finding the real plan of salvation. I'm sure you
have asked yourself the question; "Why did God create me?" or "What is
it that God wants me to do?" or "Exactly who is God, anyway?" "Why do
we believe in 'original sin?" and "Why would the sons of Adam be
forced to accept his 'sins' and then as a result be punished forever.
But if you asked anyone these questions, they would probably tell you
that you have to believe without asking, or that it is a 'mystery' and
you shouldn't ask.
And then there is the concept of the 'Trinity.' If I would ask
preachers or ministers to give me some sort of an idea how 'one' could
figure out to become 'three' or how God Himself, Who can do anything
He Wills to do, cannot just forgive people's sins, but rather and had
to become a man, come down on earth, be a human, and then take on the
sins of all people. Keeping in mind that all along He is still God of
the whole universe and does as He Wills to do, both in and outside of
the universe as we know it.
Then one day in 1991, I came to know that the Muslims believed in the
Bible. I was shocked. How could this be? But that's not all, they
believe in Jesus as:
* a true messenger of God;
* prophet of God;
* miracle birth without human intervention;
* he was the 'Christ' or Messiah as predicted in the Bible;
* he is with God now and most important;
* He will be coming back in the Last Days to lead the believers
against the 'Antichrist.'
This was too much for me. Especially since the evangelists that we
used to travel around with all hated Muslims and Islam very much. They
even said things that were not true to make people afraid of Islam.
So, why would I want anything to do with these people?
My father was very active in supporting church work, especially church
school programs. He became and ordained minister in the 1970s. He and
his wife (my stepmother) knew many of the TV evangelists and preachers
and even visited Oral Roberts and helped in the building of the
"Prayer Tower" in Tulsa, OK. They also were strong supporters of Jimmy
Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Fae Bakker, Jerry Fallwell, John Haggi and the
biggest enemy to Islam in America, Pat Robertson.
Dad and his wife worked together and were most active in recording
"Praise" tapes and distributing them for free to people in retirement
homes, hospitals and homes for the elderly. And then in 1991 he began
doing business with a man from Egypt and told me that he wanted me to
meet him. This idea appealed to me when I thought about the idea of
having an international flavor. You know, the pyramids, sphinx, Nile
River and all that. Then my father mentioned that this man was a
'Moslem.'
I couldn't believe my ears.
A 'Moslem?'
No way!
I reminded my dad of the various different things that we had heard
about these people, how they are -
Terrorists; hijackers; kidnappers; bombers and who knows what else?
Not only that but:
They don't believe in God
They kiss the ground five times a day and
They worship a black box in the desert.
No!
I did not want to meet this 'Moslem' man. No way!
My father insisted that I meet him and reassured me that he was a very
nice person. So, I gave in and agreed to the meeting.
But on my terms.
I agreed to meet him on a Sunday after church so we would be all
prayed up and in good standing with the Lord. I would be carrying my
Bible under my arm as usual. I would have my big shiny cross dangling
and I would have on my cap which says: "Jesus is Lord" right across
the front. My wife and two young daughters came along and we were
ready for our first encounter with the 'Moslems.'
When I came into the shop and asked my father where the 'Moslem' was,
he pointed and said: "He's right over there."
I was confused. That couldn't be the Moslem. No way.
I'm looking for a huge man with flowing robes and big turban on his
head, a beard half way down his shirt and eyebrows that go all the way
across his forehead.
This man had no beard. In fact, he didn't even have any hair on his
head at all. He was very close to bald. And he was very pleasant with
a warm welcome and handshake. This didn't make sense. I thought they
are terrorists and bombers. What is this all about?
Never mind. I'll get right to work on this guy. He needs to be 'saved'
and me and the Lord are going to do it.
So, after a quick introduction, I asked him:
"Do you believe in God?"
He said:
"Yes."
(Good!)
Then I said:
"Do you believe in Adam and Eve?"
He said:
"Yes."
I said: "What about Abraham? You believe in him and how he tried to
sacrifice his son for God?"
He said:
"Yes."
Then I asked:
"What about Moses?"
"Ten Commandments?"
"Parting the Red Sea?"
Again he said:
"Yes."
Then:
"What about the other prophets, David, Solomon and John the Baptist?"
He said:
"Yes."
I asked:
"Do you believe in the Bible?"
Again, he said:
"Yes."
So, now it was time for the big question:
"Do you believe in Jesus? That he was the Messiah (Christ) of God?"
Again the said:
"Yes."
Well now:
"This was going to be easier than I had thought."
He was just about ready to be baptized only he didn't know it.
And I was just the one to do it, too.
I was winning souls to the Lord day after day and this would be a big
achievement for me, to catch one of these 'Moslems' and 'convert' him
to Christianity.
I asked him if he liked tea and he said he did. So off we went to a
little shop in the mall to sit and talk about my favorite subject:
Beliefs.
While we sat in that little coffee shop for hours talking (I did most
of the talking) I came to know that he was very nice, quiet and even a
bit shy. He listened attentively to every word that I had to say and
did not interrupt even one time. I liked this man's way and thought
that he had definite potential to become a good Christian.
Little did I know the course of events about to unravel in front of my
eyes.
First of all, I agreed with my father that we should do business with
this man and even encouraged the idea of him traveling along with me
on my business trips across the northern part of Texas. Day after day
we would ride together and discuss various issues pertaining to
different beliefs that people have. And along the way, I could of
course interject some of my favorite radio programs of worship and
praise to help bring the message to this poor individual. We talked
about the concept of God; the meaning of life; the purpose of
creation; the prophets and their mission and how God reveals His Will
to mankind. We also shared a lot of personal experiences and ideas as
well.
One day I came to know that my friend Mohamed was going to move out of
the home he have been sharing with a friend of his and was going to be
living in the mosque for a time. I went to my dad and asked him if we
could invite Mohamed to come out to our big home in the country and
stay there with us. After all, he could share some of the work and
some expenses and he would be right there when we were ready to go to
out traveling around. My father agreed and Mohamed moved in.
Of course I still would find time to visit my fellow preachers and
evangelists around the state of Texas. One of them lived on the Texas
-- Mexico border and another lived near lived Oklahoma border. One
preacher liked to a huge wooden cross that was bigger than a car. He
would carry it over his shoulder and drag the bottom on the ground and
go down the road or freeway hauling these two beams formed in the
shape of a cross. People would stop their cars and come over to him
and ask him what was going on and he would give them pamphlets and
booklets on Christianity.
One day my friend with the cross had a heart attack and had to go to
the Veterans Hospital where he stayed for quite a long while. I used
to visit him in the hospital several times a week and I would take
Mohamed with me with the hopes that we could all share together in the
subject of beliefs and religions. My friend was not very impressed and
it was obvious that he did not want to know anything about Islam. Then
one day a man who was sharing the room with my friend came rolling
into the room in his wheelchair. I went to him and asked him his name
and he said that it didn't matter and when I asked him where he was
from he said he was from the planet Jupiter. I thought about what he
said and then began to wonder if I was in the cardiac ward or the
mental ward.
I knew the man was lonely and depressed and needed someone in his
life. So, I began to 'witness' to him about the Lord. I read to him
out of the book of Jonah in the Old Testament. I shared the story of
the prophet Jonah who had been sent by the Lord to call his people to
the correct way. Jonah had left his people and escaped by boat to
leave his city and head out to sea. A storm came up and the ship
almost capsized and the people on board threw Jonah over the side of
the ship. A whale came up to the surface and grabbed Jonah, swallowed
him and then went down to the bottom of the sea, where he stayed for 3
days and 3 nights. Yet because of God's Mercy, He caused the whale to
rise to the surface and then spit Jonah out to return back home safely
to his city of Nineveh. And the idea was that we can't really run away
from our problems because we always know what we have done. And what
is more, God also always knows what we have done.
After sharing this story with the man in the wheel chair, he looked up
and me and apologized. He told me he was sorry for his rude behavior
and that he had experienced some real serious problems recently. Then
he said that he wanted to confess something to me. And I said that I
was not a Catholic priest and I don't handle confessions. He replied
back to me that he knew that. In fact, he said: "I am a Catholic
priest."
I was shocked. Here I had been trying to preach Christianity to a
priest. What in the world was happening here?
The priest began to share his story of being a missionary for the
church for over 12 years to south and Central America and Mexico and
even in New York's 'Hell's Kitchen.' When he was released from the
hospital he needed a place to go to recover and rather than let him go
to stay with a Catholic family, I told my dad that we should invite
him to come out and live with us in the country along with our
families and Mohamed. It was agreed by all that he would so, he moved
out right away.
During the trip out to our home, I talked with the priest about some
of the concepts of beliefs in Islam and to my surprise he agreed and
then shared even more about this with me. I was shocked when he told
me that Catholic priests actually study Islam and some even carry
doctors degrees in this subject. This was all very enlightening to me.
But there was still a lot more to come.
After settling in, we all began to gather around the kitchen table
after dinner every night to discuss religion. My father would bring
his King James Version of the Bible, I would bring out my Revised
Standard Version of the Bible, my wife had another version of the
Bible (maybe something like Jimmy Swaggart's 'Good News For Modern
Man." The priest of course, had the Catholic Bible which has 7 more
books in it that the Protestant Bible. So we spent more time talking
about which Bible was the right one or the most correct one, than we
did trying to convince Mohamed about becoming a Christian.
At one point I recall asking him about the Quran and how many versions
of it there were in the last 1,400 years. He told me that there was
only ONE QURAN. And that it had never been changed. Yet he let me know
that the Quran had been memorized by hundreds of thousands of people,
in it's entirety and were scattered about the earth in many different
countries. Over the centuries since the Quran was revealed millions
have memorized it completely and have taught it to others who have
memorized it completely, from cover to cover, letter perfect without
mistakes.
This did not seem possible to me. After all, the original languages of
the Bible have all been dead languages for centuries and the documents
themselves have been lost in their originals for hundreds and
thousands of years. So, how could it be that something like this could
be so easy to preserve and to recite from cover to cover.
Anyway, one day the priest asked the Mohamed if he might accompany him
to the mosque to see what it was like there. They came back talking
about their experience there and we could not wait to ask the priest
what it was like and what all types of ceremonies they performed. He
said they didn't really 'do' anything. They just came and prayed and
left. I said: "They left? Without any speeches or singing?" He said
that was right.
A few more days went by and the Catholic priest asked Mohamed if he
might join him again for a trip to the mosque which they did. But this
time it was different. They did not come back for a very long time. It
became dark and we worried that something might have happened to them.
Finally they arrived and when they came in the door I immediately
recognized Mohamed, but who was this alongside of him? Someone wearing
a white robe and a white cap. Hold on a minute! It was the priest. I
said to him: "Pete? -- Did you become a 'Moslem?'
He said that he had entered into Islam that very day. THE PRIEST
BECAME A MUSLIM!! What next? (You'll see).
So, I went upstairs to think things over a bit and began to talk to my
wife about the whole subject. She then told me that she too was going
to enter into Islam, because she knew it was the truth. I was really
shocked now. I went downstairs and woke up Mohamed and asked him to
come outside with me for a discussion. We walked and talked that whole
night through. By the time he was ready to pray Fajr (the morning
prayer of the Muslims) I knew that the truth had come at last and now
it was up to me to do my part. I went out back behind my father's
house and found an old piece of plywood lying under an overhang and
right there I put my head down on the ground facing the direction that
the Muslims pray five times a day.
Now then in that position, with my body stretched out on the plywood
and my head on the ground, I asked: "O God. If you are there, guide
me, guide me." And then after a while I raised up my head and I
noticed something. No, I didn't see birds or angels coming out of the
sky nor did I hear voices or music, nor did I see bright lights and
flashes. What I did notice was a change inside of me. I was aware now
more than ever before that it was time for me to stop lying and
cheating and doing sneaky business deals. It was time that I really
work at being an honest and upright man. I knew now what I had to do.
So I went upstairs and took a shower with the distinct idea that I was
'washing' away the sinful old person that I had become over the years.
And I was now coming into a new, fresh life. A life based on truth and
proof.
Around 11:00 A.M. that morning, I stood before two witnesses, one the
ex-priest, formerly known as Father Peter Jacob's, and the other
Mohamed Abel Rehman and announced my 'shahadah' (open testimony to the
Oneness of God and the prophethood of Muhammad, peace be upon him).
A few minutes later, my wife follow along and gave the same testimony.
But hers was in front of 3 witnesses (me being the third).
My father was a bit more reserved on the subject and waited a few more
months before he made his shahadah (public testimony). But he did
finally commit to Islam and began offering prayers right along with me
and the other Muslims in the local masjid (mosque).
The children were taken out of the Christian school and placed in
Muslim schools. And now ten years later, they are memorizing much of
the Quran and the teachings of Islam.
My father's wife was the last of all to acknowledge that Jesus could
not be a son of God and that he must have been a mighty prophet of
God, but not God.
Now stop and think. A whole entire household of people from varying
backgrounds and ethnic groups coming together in truth to learn how to
know and worship the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. Think. A
Catholic priest. A minister of music and preacher. An ordained
minister and builder of Christian schools. And they all come into
Islam! Only by His Mercy were we all guided to see the real truth of
Islam without any blinders on their eyes any longer.
If I were to stop right here, I'm sure that you would have to admit
that at least, this is an amazing story, right? After all, three
religious leaders of three separate denominations all going into one
very opposite belief at the same time and then soon after the rest of
the household.
But that is not all. There is more! The same year, while I was in
Grand Prairie, Texas (near Dallas) I met a Baptist seminary student
from Tennessee named Joe, who also came to Islam after reading the
Holy Quran while in BAPTIST SEMINARY COLLEGE!
There are others as well. I recall the case of the Catholic priest in
a college town who talked about the good things in Islam so much that
I was forced to ask him why he didn't enter Islam. He replied: "What?
And loose my job?" - His name is Father John and there is still hope
for him yet.
More? Yes. The very next year I met a former Catholic priest who had
been a missionary for 8 years in Africa. He learned about Islam while
he was there and entered into Islam. He then changed his name to Omar
and moved to Dallas Texas.
Any more? Again, yes. Two years later, while in San Antonio, Texas I
was introduced to a former Arch Bishop of the Orthodox Church of
Russia who learned about Islam and gave up his position to enter
Islam.
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And since my own entrance into Islam and becomingConverts to
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scholars,converts,famousmuslims.famous muslims,famous people. a
chaplain to the Muslims throughout the country and around the world, I
have encountered many more individuals who were leaders, teachers and
scholars in other religions who learned about Islam and entered into
it. They came from Hindus, Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Jehovah's
Witnesses, Greek and Russian Orthodox, Coptic Christians from Egypt,
non-denominational churches and even scientists who had been atheists.
Why? Good question.
May I suggest to the seeker of truth do the following NINE STEPS to
purification of the mind:
1.) Clean their mind, their heart and their soul real good.
2.) Clear away all the prejudices and biases
3.) Read a good translation of the meaning of the Holy Quran in a
language that they can understand best.
4.) Take some time.
5.) Read and reflect.
6.) Think and pray.
7.) And keep on asking the One who created you in the first place, to
guide you to the truth.
8.) Keep this up for a few months. And be regular in it.
9.) Above all, do not let others who are poisoned in their thinking
influence you while your are in this state of "rebirth of the soul."
The rest is between you and the Almighty Lord of the Universe. If you
truly love Him, then He already Knows it and He will deal with each of
us according to our hearts.
So, now you have the introduction to the story of my coming into Islam
and becoming Muslim. There is more on the Internet about this story
and there are more pictures there as well. Please take the time to
visit it and then please take the time to email me and let us come
together to share in all truths based on proofs for understanding our
origins and our purpose and goals in this life and the Next Life.
And once again I thank you for your email today. If you hadn't sent
it, I probably would still not have completed this task of putting
down the story once and for all of how "Priest and Preachers Are
Coming to Islam."
May Allah guide you on your journey to all truth. Ameen. And May He
open your heart and your mind to the reality of this world and the
purpose of this life, ameen.
Peace to you and Guidance from Allah the One Almighty God, Creator and
Sustainer of all that exists.
Your friend,
Chaplain Yusuf Estes
On Sep 22, 3:03 am, U2Fan <dwtfwt... at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote: This is alt.bible.prophecy we don't want any rag head propaganda round
here so FO mate.
arah wrote:
From the Vatican to Al Azhar
Idris Tawfiq, a British Catholic priest who became a convert to Islam,
is a source of fascination in his adopted home in Cairo . Mary
Fitzgerald spoke to him about his personal journey of discovery.
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arah wrote:
Quote: From the Vatican to Al Azhar
Idris Tawfiq, a British Catholic priest who became a convert to Islam,
is a source of fascination in his adopted home in Cairo . Mary
Fitzgerald spoke to him about his personal journey of discovery.
Humans switch religions because religions are a human inventions - along
with all the gods.
People become disillusioned and move on to 'greener pastures or,
out of the frying pan into the fire, as they say !
The vast majority of non believers today had a grounding of some sort in
religion during their childhood, so the revealing figure is not the odd
one or two who switch beliefs, but the huge majority who say, "Enough is
enough" a kind of - 'out of the frying pan. into the fresh open air'
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.
Man creates his gods in his own image;
and then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.
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A De La Salle brother for 15 years, Idris later studied for the
priesthood in Rome . Doubts about his vocation eventually led him to
leave the priesthood, triggering a period of uncertainty about what
direction his life would take.
He decided to take some time off, booking a charter flight to
Hurghada, a package holiday resort that hugs Egypt 's Red Sea coast.
Soon bored of the beach, he headed to Cairo and experienced a culture
shock quite different to what he had expected. For the first time in
his life he met and talked to Muslims, observing their rituals up
close. Hearing the call to prayer and watching people stop everything
to turn towards Mecca left a deep impression.
"That week's holiday more than anything else changed my life," he
explains. "It began to sow the seeds of Islam within me. It was the
first time I had spoken to, or even met, Muslims. I saw that they
weren't sabre-rattling fanatics, they were just ordinary people. More
than that, they were very gentle people and faith-filled in a way I
had never seen before."
“On my return I resumed my old job of teaching religion. The only
compulsory subject in British education is Religious Studies. I was
teaching about Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism and others. So
everyday I had to read about these religions to be able to teach my
lessons to the students, many of whom were Arab Muslim refugees. In
other words, teaching about Islam taught me many things.
“Unlike many troublesome teenagers, these students set a good example
of what a Muslim could be. They were polite and kind. So a friendship
developed between us and they asked if they could use my classroom for
prayers during the fasting month of Ramadan. “Luckily, my room was the
only one with a carpet. So I got accustomed to sitting at the back,
watching them praying for a month. I sought to encourage them by
fasting during Ramadan with them, even though I wasn£t yet a Muslim.
“Once while reciting a translation of the holy Qur£an in class I
reached the verse: ‘And when they listen to the revelation received by
the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for
they recognize the truth.£ To my surprise, I felt tears welling up in
my eyes and I tried hard to hide it from the students.”
A chance meeting with Yusuf Islam, formerly Cat Stevens, at London 's
Central Mosque, proved pivotal. "I found myself asking him 'What do
you actually do to become a Muslim?'. He answered that a Muslim should
believe in one God, pray five times a day and fast during Ramadan. I
interrupted him saying that I believed all this and had even fasted
with my Muslim students during Ramadan. "So he asked, 'What are you
waiting for? What is holding you back?' I told him I didn't intend to
convert. "At that moment the call to prayer was made and everyone got
ready and stood in lines to pray. I sat at the back, and I cried and
cried. Then I said to myself, 'Who am I trying to fool?'"
The formal process of conversion in Islam is simple. In front of
witnesses, the would-be Muslim recites the Shahada, or declaration of
faith, acknowledging the existence of one God, Allah, with Mohammed as
his prophet.
Idris formally converted in the venerable surroundings of Cairo 's Al
Azhar mosque, Sunni Islam's oldest seat of learning. He later took the
Muslim name Idris Tawfiq - Idris, the name of a prophet, and Tawfiq,
the Arabic word for good fortune.
"People and events led me to Islam," he says. "What made me leave the
church was not any problem I had with it. And it wasn't about belief
or anything like that. "I cherish my past in the church, I enjoyed
what I did, I love all those people I worked with and treat what they
believe with reverence. I just wasn't happy inside."
He falters when asked what he sees in Islam that Catholicism lacked.
"That's a very loaded question," he says, grimacing.
The biggest difference, then? "I would say that Islam is completely
God-centred," he answers tentatively. "It is not about what Jesus did
for me and it's not about offering prayers for myself. The whole thing
revolves around Allah.
"The other thing is that Islam covers every aspect of life. It's not a
going-to-church-on-Sunday religion, it's not even a going-to-Mass-
every-morning and leading a good and holy life religion. "Islam tells
you how to greet people, how to eat your food, how to enter a room -
how to do everything in life. Whilst Muslims are not saints, Islam
encourages Muslims to think about God all the time. Islam, in its
essence, attributes everything to God. For Muslims, Islam is
everything."
Did he experience periods of doubt leading up to his conversion? "No,
none at all," he answers. "Although one of my barriers to becoming a
Muslim was the story of Abraham. The Bible says Abraham was going to
sacrifice his son Isaac, the Koran says it was Ismael. "It may seem
odd, but I wrestled with this for a long time. I thought one of them
must be wrong, both cannot be right. But at the end of the day, as
with any faith, you have to take that leap and accept the essence of
what Islam says. "I have no problem with 'There is no God but God' -
I've always believed in that. And Muhammad is his messenger? I have
learned and come to understand that core."
There is little data available on the number of converts to Islam. One
survey in the US claims 100,000 people convert every year. The same
research found that for every male that converts to Islam, four women
do the same. A recent study by Yahya (formerly Jonathan) Birt, son of
Lord Birt, former director-general of the BBC, used census figures to
conclude that there are now 14,200 white converts in Britain .
"I think people who embrace Islam see a calmness and simplicity that
many have not experienced before," says Idris. "I don't see it as
rigid, it's empowering. Islam is beautiful, sweet and gentle. "All the
values that used to exist in Britain and Ireland 30 or 40 years ago -
respect for your parents, your elders - they all exist in the Muslim
world still."
Idris Tawfiq£s website can be accessed at www.idristawfiq.com |
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