Related to recent discussions on alt.religion.asatru. I am curious,
too, to know whether people here think these values are reflected
within our religion, or in hearing a discussion of "Asatru values",
"Asatru ethics", etc. particularly within the context of the lore.

Eric

News Release Issued by the International Secretariat of Amnesty
International

AI INDEX: POL 10/016/2004 26 May 2004

Report 2004: War on global values -- attacks by armed groups and
governments fuel
mistrust, fear and division


(London) Governments and armed groups have launched a war on global
values, destroying
the human rights of ordinary people, Amnesty International said today
as it released
its annual assessment of human rights worldwide.
....

To access an online version of Report 2004 , please select the
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Hulk A. Hercules wrote:

Related to recent discussions on alt.religion.asatru. I am curious,
too, to know whether people here think these values are reflected
within our religion, or in hearing a discussion of "Asatru values",
"Asatru ethics", etc. particularly within the context of the lore.

Eric

News Release Issued by the International Secretariat of Amnesty
International

AI INDEX: POL 10/016/2004 26 May 2004

Report 2004: War on global values -- attacks by armed groups and
governments fuel
mistrust, fear and division


(London) Governments and armed groups have launched a war on global
values, destroying
the human rights of ordinary people, Amnesty International said today
as it released
its annual assessment of human rights worldwide.
...

To access an online version of Report 2004 , please select the
language required:

English : http://amnesty-news.c.topica.com/maachPqaa687mbdF1EYb/
French : http://amnesty-news.c.topica.com/maachPqaa687nbdF1EYb/
Arabic : http://amnesty-news.c.topica.com/maachPqaa687obdF1EYb/
Spanish: http://amnesty-news.c.topica.com/maachPqaa687pbdF1EYb/

Scott's dream - to turn the entire world into a recreation of the Eastern Front
in WW2, with only 'Them and Us' and no rules to hold anyone to any kind of
remotely decent or honourable behaviour.

In article <2hjtscFd56qgU1@uni-berlin.de>, Dirk Bruere at Neopax
dirk@neopax.com> writes


Hulk A. Hercules wrote:


Related to recent discussions on alt.religion.asatru. I am curious,
too, to know whether people here think these values are reflected
within our religion, or in hearing a discussion of "Asatru values",
"Asatru ethics", etc. particularly within the context of the lore.

Eric

News Release Issued by the International Secretariat of Amnesty
International

AI INDEX: POL 10/016/2004 26 May 2004

Report 2004: War on global values -- attacks by armed groups and
governments fuel
mistrust, fear and division


(London) Governments and armed groups have launched a war on global
values, destroying
the human rights of ordinary people, Amnesty International said today
as it released
its annual assessment of human rights worldwide.

...

To access an online version of Report 2004 , please select the
language required:

English : http://amnesty-news.c.topica.com/maachPqaa687mbdF1EYb/
French : http://amnesty-news.c.topica.com/maachPqaa687nbdF1EYb/
Arabic : http://amnesty-news.c.topica.com/maachPqaa687obdF1EYb/
Spanish: http://amnesty-news.c.topica.com/maachPqaa687pbdF1EYb/

Scott's dream - to turn the entire world into a recreation of the Eastern Front
in WW2, with only 'Them and Us' and no rules to hold anyone to any kind of
remotely decent or honourable behaviour.



Rule No. 1. Survive. You will do no good, you will not protect your
family or your honour, nor will you pass on your beliefs, if you do not
survive.

Ask yourself how many times the Aesir used Loki's chameleon like
qualities to achieve that which their honour would not permit them to
attempt? Then ask yourself if the result was worth it each time?

The solution is simple - don't import any more Moslems into the West,
if that is what you are really interested in.

The solution is not to start a global 'war against terror' that is just an
excuse for extinguishing freedoms at home and invading any oil rich nation that
doesn't kiss Uncle Sam's arse.

And to bring this back on topic, do you really want to hasten Ragnarok so fat
Americans can run their 4x4s cheap?

I apologize for such criticism, as I have learned over the years to
respect your intellect and your intentions.

Hulk A. Hercules wrote:


I apologize for such criticism, as I have learned over the years to
respect your intellect and your intentions.


Time to give it up. Dirk turns out to be one of those Europeans who took
9-11 as the signal to begin hating Americans publicly. He may have been
a rational man prior to that, but ever since, he has lost all reason on
this topic.

Britain is a bad example.

Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:


Britain is a bad example.


Yes, and the US has unfortunately chosen to follow it :)

I often wonder if Britain had not had such an interesting history if natural
rights, individualism, democracy, and so forth would have been so
attractive. After several hundred years of beheadings, burnings, glorious
revolutions, not-so-glorious revolutions, restorations, and random fun and
games with the French, I can see where Locke would be skeptical of the
monarchy though I can't fathom why he had such a romantic vision of early
mankind.

Which leads back to the title of this thread. After two or three hundred
years of this interesting experiment, there doesn't seem to be much left of
values. I will have to agree with Scott on that one; at least Bush does
seem to have some. Now, if he could only run a war. At least Perle seems
faster on the uptake than McNamara.

It was 'values' that made the 20th century such a slaughterhouse.

If the Nazis had had
to carry out their notions of lebensraum on horseback wielding muskets
and sabers... WWII would have been a minor regional conflict.

Scott Lowther wrote:

If the Nazis had had
to carry out their notions of lebensraum on horseback wielding muskets
and sabers... WWII would have been a minor regional conflict.

On a per capita basis, I'm not sure the Thirty Years War doesn't win the
corpses per hectare prize. Interesting list of people that wanted their
chunk of lebensraum carved out of the German states.

bowman wrote:

Scott Lowther wrote:


If the Nazis had had
to carry out their notions of lebensraum on horseback wielding muskets
and sabers... WWII would have been a minor regional conflict.

On a per capita basis, I'm not sure the Thirty Years War doesn't win the
corpses per hectare prize. Interesting list of people that wanted their
chunk of lebensraum carved out of the German states.


Well, in that case, it was clearly not "values," but plain good-old
fashioned greed and lust for power.

But on the 30-Yr War... anybody else here read "1632" and "1633?" Now
THAT was good literature...

Scott Lowther wrote:

bowman wrote:

Scott Lowther wrote:


If the Nazis had had
to carry out their notions of lebensraum on horseback wielding muskets
and sabers... WWII would have been a minor regional conflict.

On a per capita basis, I'm not sure the Thirty Years War doesn't win the
corpses per hectare prize. Interesting list of people that wanted their
chunk of lebensraum carved out of the German states.


Well, in that case, it was clearly not "values," but plain good-old
fashioned greed and lust for power.

But on the 30-Yr War... anybody else here read "1632" and "1633?" Now
THAT was good literature...

You are still thinking too small and too parochial.
Usually you are the first to bring up the record bodycounts of Communism.

Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:

Scott Lowther wrote:


bowman wrote:


Scott Lowther wrote:



If the Nazis had had
to carry out their notions of lebensraum on horseback wielding muskets
and sabers... WWII would have been a minor regional conflict.

On a per capita basis, I'm not sure the Thirty Years War doesn't win the
corpses per hectare prize. Interesting list of people that wanted their
chunk of lebensraum carved out of the German states.


Well, in that case, it was clearly not "values," but plain good-old
fashioned greed and lust for power.

But on the 30-Yr War... anybody else here read "1632" and "1633?" Now
THAT was good literature...

You are still thinking too small and too parochial.
Usually you are the first to bring up the record bodycounts of Communism.


So? Communism killed again through technology, not via "values."

But on the 30-Yr War... anybody else here read "1632" and "1633?" Now
THAT was good literature...