"Hetware" <not at (no spam) home.none> wrote in message
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I've attended a few Al-Anon and ACA meetings lately. The general idea
seems
appropriate for my life. However, I have trouble with the notion of
"Higher
Power" as it appears in various 12-step programs. How might others
perceive
this in terms of Asatru?

I've attended a few Al-Anon and ACA meetings lately. The general idea seems
appropriate for my life. However, I have trouble with the notion of "Higher
Power" as it appears in various 12-step programs. How might others perceive
this in terms of Asatru?

Hetware wrote:
I've attended a few Al-Anon and ACA meetings lately. The general idea
seems
appropriate for my life. However, I have trouble with the notion of
"Higher
Power" as it appears in various 12-step programs. How might others
perceive this in terms of Asatru?

Wyrd? Orlog?

Alternatively, your patron God if you have one.
Alternatively, the goddess Eir:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jordsvin/Heathen%20Writing/The%20Goddess%20Eir.htm

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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
Alternatively, your patron God if you have one.
Alternatively, the goddess Eir:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jordsvin/Heathen%20Writing/The%20Goddess%20Eir.htm


Hetware wrote:
It seems to me, the collective wisdom of the hall and the collective
support
of The Powers. So in our case, it should be "Higher Powers".

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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
Alternatively, your patron God if you have one.
Alternatively, the goddess Eir:


http://home.earthlink.net/~jordsvin/Heathen%20Writing/The%20Goddess%20Eir.htm


Hetware wrote:
It seems to me, the collective wisdom of the hall and the collective
support
of The Powers. So in our case, it should be "Higher Powers".


Havamal

146. I know those spells which a ruler's wife doesn't know,
nor any man's son;
"help" one is called,
and that will help you
against accusations and sorrows
and every sort of anxiety.

It seems to me that when it comes to
asking for help or offering help, humans
don't always know how to go about it.

So, I think that the "collective wisdom" of the
"Higher Powers" may be far more useful.

I find the Eddas immensely inspirational.
There's lots of useful information, great examples,
and many lessons to be learned from them.

Much good luck on your journey to recovery!
May you succeed!

Heidi

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Heidi Graw wrote:


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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
Alternatively, your patron God if you have one.
Alternatively, the goddess Eir:


http://home.earthlink.net/~jordsvin/Heathen%20Writing/The%20Goddess%20Eir.htm


Hetware wrote:
It seems to me, the collective wisdom of the hall and the collective
support
of The Powers. So in our case, it should be "Higher Powers".


Havamal

146. I know those spells which a ruler's wife doesn't know,
nor any man's son;
"help" one is called,
and that will help you
against accusations and sorrows
and every sort of anxiety.

It seems to me that when it comes to
asking for help or offering help, humans
don't always know how to go about it.

So, I think that the "collective wisdom" of the
"Higher Powers" may be far more useful.

I find the Eddas immensely inspirational.
There's lots of useful information, great examples,
and many lessons to be learned from them.

Much good luck on your journey to recovery!
May you succeed!

Heidi

Hetware quoted:
149. A fourth I know: if men make fast
in chains the joints of my limbs,
when I sing that song which shall set me free,
spring the fetters from hands and feet.

Not what you might have expected of me,

but she is pretty, isn't she?

Don't worry, it won't last much longer . . . I hope.

... a wish to be free of fetters comes as no
surprise to me.

but she is pretty, isn't she?

Yes, she is.

Don't worry, it won't last much longer . . . I hope.

Well...she does carry an awfully huge gunnysack
of problems that is weighing her down. If she manages
to lose it, she could be a keeper.

But, remember,
her gunnysack is not yours to carry! *She* has to
empty that load, lighten up her own burden.

Another thing for you to ponder. The Wyrd Sisters
cast their netting over you. It stretches far and wide,
high and low. Most people will not stretch out to reach
those boundaries. They will not test their limits, despite
having been given everything necessary to lead an
enriching and fullfilling life.

They have, instead, found their comfort niche
somewhere in the middle of this "box," they hunker down,
and don't do much to test their powers. These ones
remain in a state of arrested development. They have
chosen not to reach their depths and breadth, nor
highs and lows. They will refuse to fill their box
with their own talents, abilities, and courage.
Sometimes they hunker down because they are
afraid.

All too often, I seen you test your skills, only to
find you withdraw them too quickly. You curl
up in that safe little comfort zone. Move, stretch,
do something! You have a marvelous mind...
use it! *DO* something! Reach out and test
your limits. It is not too late for you to grow
some more and to become that successful
and happy person. Don't squander the gifts
with which the Wyrd Sisters have endowed you.

To you future happiness!

Take care,
Heidi

Heidi Graw wrote:

... a wish to be free of fetters comes as no
surprise to me.

It's the invisible, untouchable fetters that I have the most problem with.

but she is pretty, isn't she?
Yes, she is.

Don't worry, it won't last much longer . . . I hope.
Well...she does carry an awfully huge gunnysack
of problems that is weighing her down. If she manages
to lose it, she could be a keeper.

No. I'm still looking for a woman who wants children. She is too messed up
to have them before her clock runs out.

But, remember,
her gunnysack is not yours to carry! *She* has to
empty that load, lighten up her own burden.

One of my biggest problems is that her mother simply loves me. She actually
told me that I was "sent by God" to help her daughter.

Another thing for you to ponder. The Wyrd Sisters
cast their netting over you. It stretches far and wide,
high and low. Most people will not stretch out to reach
those boundaries. They will not test their limits, despite
having been given everything necessary to lead an
enriching and fullfilling life.

They have, instead, found their comfort niche
somewhere in the middle of this "box," they hunker down,
and don't do much to test their powers. These ones
remain in a state of arrested development. They have
chosen not to reach their depths and breadth, nor
highs and lows. They will refuse to fill their box
with their own talents, abilities, and courage.
Sometimes they hunker down because they are
afraid.

All too often, I seen you test your skills, only to
find you withdraw them too quickly. You curl
up in that safe little comfort zone. Move, stretch,
do something! You have a marvelous mind...
use it! *DO* something! Reach out and test
your limits. It is not too late for you to grow
some more and to become that successful
and happy person. Don't squander the gifts
with which the Wyrd Sisters have endowed you.

To you future happiness!

Take care,
Heidi

There is something profound in this:

http://web.telia.com/~u85906673/asar/havamal/havamal.html

9. Happy is he who hath in himself
praise and wisdom in life;
for oft doth a man ill counsel get
when 'tis born in another's breast.

Please don't take this as a rebuff. I'm just observing that we are often
best served when we look to ourselves for approval or criticism. The advice
of others is often worth hearing, but we need to assess it in terms of our
own values.

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Hetware wrote:
I'm just observing that we are often
best served when we look to ourselves for approval or criticism. The
advice
of others is often worth hearing, but we need to assess it in terms of our
own values.

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Hetware wrote:
I'm just observing that we are often
best served when we look to ourselves for approval or criticism. The
advice
of others is often worth hearing, but we need to assess it in terms of
our
own values.

Yes, exactly. This is precisely what I learned when my son, Steven,
was diagnosed with his assorted special needs. All the advice from
the professionals I had to examine to see what "fits" and what not.
What is workable and what is not? My gut instincts kicked in, too.
I actually had to reject a lot of what the pros had to say, especially
when it came to their predictions. There were also times when
something didn't exist that was needed, so I simply went ahead
and created it. My focus was on giving Steven the best possible
opportunities in which he could thrive. He surpassed everyone
else's expectations, even mine.

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Hetware wrote:
I'm still looking for a woman who wants children.

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Hetware wrote:
I'm still looking for a woman who wants children.

Hetware, not only do women have a biological clock,
but it appears men have one also.

https://publicaffairs.llnl.gov/news/news_releases/2006/NR-06-06-01.html

Remember, you are only 4 years younger than I. You're
really pushing it in terms of quality for reproduction.

You're going to have to assess whether or not you
are able to afford to take that risk.

You might have to consider reassessing just what it
is you want out of life. It may turn out that a more
realistic goal for you may be to find a suitable partner to
share your life you without children.

Anyway, you can google for more information about
sperm quality and age. Degeneration of DNA appears
to be one of those concerns.

Take care,
Heidi

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:


Something I know well is that changing how one feels and behaves is not as
simple as knowing these are ill advised.

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Hetware wrote:
"Wyrobek noted that these differences in finding suggest that factors
other
than age may be involved, raising the possibility that socioeconomic or
dietary factors or ethnic background may also be involved in how age
affects
the quality of human sperm."

My diet is excellent, and the men in my family have successfully fathered
children in their 50s and 60s.