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Recently, a certain proven heretic has gotten so desperate in his attempts
to smear me has gone completely into the realm of absurdity by falsely
claiming that I deny the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ (you can see
what I believe specifically on an area of my own website
[http://www.nettally.com/saints/affirmat.html] where I have my personal
affirmation of faith). Quite the contrary, I know that Jesus Christ was
bodily resurrected because the Bible is clear as crystal on the topic. God
warned us how wicked and evil these self-condemned individuals are (Titus
3:11). I've not only pointed out scriptures showing conclusively that the
Bible teaches Jesus' resurrection was indeed bodily (as opposed to the
Jehovah's Witnesses erroneous belief that He was only spiritually
resurrected) but I have posted excellent sermons (like the one below by Doug
Goins) by Christian theologians who also show this Biblical fact. It's not
surprising how wicked heretics, radical atheists, etc. are in their words
and deed as well as how dishonest they become in regards to Christians and
Christianity. We, as Christians, need to pray for them in hope their hearts
will be softened and they will turn to Jesus Christ as their Lord and
Savior.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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THE CERTAINTY OF CHRIST'S BODILY RESURRECTION
by Doug Goins
The passage we're studying begins with a ringing affirmation of resurrection
life. First Corinthians 15:20: "But now Christ has been raised from the
dead." Someone has written a great statement of that reality:
"The present age is Easter time. It begins with the resurrection of the
Redeemer, and ends with the resurrection of the redeemed. Between lies the
spiritual resurrection of those called into life through Christ. So we live
between two Easters, and in the power of the first Easter, we go to meet the
last Easter."
That last Easter is the bodily resurrection of all believers in Christ.
In the last two messages, we've been exploring the resurrection of Jesus
Christ as the watershed event of human history in 1 Corinthians 15. When the
man Jesus Christ shattered the barrier of death, he transformed the
existence of everyone who believes in him, surrenders to him, and follows
him in loyalty. In verses 1-11 Paul placed the resurrection at the very
center of the gospel. Our faith is grounded in the resurrection. Paul
supported its veracity with eyewitness testimony of some of the people who
had seen Jesus after his crucifixion and resurrection. In verses 12-19 he
surveyed some of the horrible consequences there would be if the
resurrection of Jesus Christ had not happened.
Now in verses 20-34 Paul continues to reflect on the absolute certainty of
Christ's bodily resurrection on that first Easter morning, and he shows how
the future resurrection of believers is the logical outcome of Christ's past
resurrection. He also strengthens his case by pointing out that both his own
lifestyle and the actions of the Corinthian believers themselves
demonstrated a confident certainty in the resurrection.
This section is organized around three amazing affirmations concerning the
resurrection of Jesus Christ. Verses 20-22 affirm the inclusive nature of
Christ's resurrection. We have been folded into that resurrection reality.
Verses 23-28 affirm the forceful purpose of Christ's resurrection. There is
a point to it that we can anticipate as ultimate reality. And verses 29-34
affirm the motivating power of Christ's resurrection. Because of the
resurrection, we make choices as Christians to live our lives differently.
TWO WAYS OUR RESURRECTION IS TIED TO CHRIST'S
The first affirmation speaks of how closely our own resurrection is tied to
Christ's. Look at verses 20-22:
But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who
are asleep. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the
resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all
shall be made alive.
Paul uses two Old-Testament images to show that our inclusion in this
tremendous hope of the resurrection is guaranteed. The first image is that
of the first fruits in verse 20, and the second that of the analogy of Adam
and Christ in verses 21-22.
The image of first fruits comes out of Leviticus 23. The law required that
every Israelite farmer, before he began to harvest his grain crop every
year, bring a representative sample to the temple and give it to the priest
to be offered up to the Lord in anticipation of the full harvest offering.
Paul is saying that Christ's resurrection was the representative offering of
our own resurrection from the dead, the first part of this great
resurrection harvest offering that we will all be included in. Jesus offered
himself up to the heavenly Father in his death and resurrection. He was both
the offering and the offerer. The first-fruits not only preceded the
harvest, but they were the first installment of the full harvest offering,
the guarantee or the down payment of the rest of the harvest offering that
was going to come. So the fact that Christ is the first fruits indicates
that we will be resurrected, because Christ's resurrection must not exist in
isolation from ours. We can count on that.
Paul goes on to argue the absolute certainty that this will happen by
comparing the two men Adam and Christ. Just as the one man Adam brought
death to the entire human race, including each of us, because every one of
us is a son (or daughter) of Adam, in the same way, the one man Jesus Christ
brought resurrection from the dead for those of us who believe in him. Both
Adam and Christ were instruments of change. Adam disobeyed God, and he
brought disaster, death, and destruction into the world. But Christ, in
contrast, perfectly obeyed the Father, and he brought us deliverance,
righteousness, and life. So we as mortal human beings are in Adam, and we're
going to die; that's reality. But if we belong to Jesus Christ, we have the
absolute conviction of resurrection life. Every one of us knows, if we're
honest, that our physical bodies are deteriorating. Nobody is going to get
out alive, that's absolutely certain. As you get older, you feel it more
physically. But the corresponding reality is that we get more and more
confident of the hope that we have of the resurrection. This is not the end
of all things.
Kim Fenech, our Volunteer Coordinator in Discovery Publishing, was talking
to me last week. She mentioned two of the volunteers, our dear brothers
Woody Norman and Ron Thompson. For both of them, the outer man is fading
because of serious physical problems that face them with their own
mortality. Woody has terrible heart problems, and it's hard for him to get
to church on occasion. Ron Thompson is losing lung capacity. Yet, Kim was
saying, both of these men, the closer they come to the reality of their
mortality, the more vibrant and alive and beautiful they are becoming
spiritually. The inner man is being renewed; they are anticipating this
absolute certainty of being forever with the Lord. That confidence is what
gives them life and energizes them, even though it's more and more difficult
to live physically.
RESURRECTION EVENTS LEADING TO GOD'S VICTORY
Let's look at the second affirmation concerning Jesus' resurrection in
verses 23-28. Here Paul focuses on the eternal purpose of the resurrection.
Christ's resurrection has, in a sense, set in motion an inexorable chain of
events that absolutely determines our present circumstances and our future,
and it's a future full of hope. His victory over death promises the ultimate
victory of God in all things. When God raised Christ from the dead, he took
sides for the truth and against lies, for love and against hate, for life
and against death. Verses 23-24 summarize what Paul calls the order of
events leading to the end. Let's read verse 22 again as well:
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive. But each
in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's
at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the
God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
The expression in verse 23, "each in his own order," stresses the different
times involved. Christ was made alive three days after his death. Those of
us who die belonging to him will be made alive in our order, which will be
when he comes back for us. First Thessalonians 4:16-17 says, "For the Lord
Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the
archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise
first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with
them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be
with the Lord." (And we won't have to worry about air sickness at all when
that resurrection takes place!)
After that resurrection of Christians, Christ will defeat the powers of
satanic evil in the world, and he will hand over the secured kingdom to his
Father. That is the end that Paul mentions in verse 24, the ultimate purpose
that began with the resurrection of Jesus Christ. That delivering up of the
kingdom is the key event in the end times. Sin will no longer reign in the
world. God will rule supremely. There will be no enemy, no challenge to his
authority in the world. There are many events detailed in Scripture that are
part of this process of final conquest, but chronologies are not important
to Paul here. What he really wants us to catch is the certainty of Christ's
final conquest. That is central.
THE CENTRALITY OF CHRIST'S FINAL CONQUEST
Paul goes on to amplify that centrality in verses 25-28, where the Son
delivers the kingdom back to his Father. Look at verses 25-26. It's not
focused just on the future but on the present; Christ is reigning right now,
as hard as that may be for us to accept at times.
For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last
enemy that will be abolished is death.
Notice that the reign of Christ doesn't begin after his enemies are subdued.
He is reigning now, and he will continue to reign until all demonic
opposition is finally defeated. That's absolutely central for us to grasp
right here and now, because it will counter personal discouragement, a sense
of defeat, and spiritual oppression. Jesus is in control now on the micro
level in our personal lives, and on the macro level in all the forces
swirling around us in the world at large. The death and resurrection of
Jesus turned the tide of the battle. The final outcome is certain. Christ
has been declared victorious over sin and death and hell, and that means
when we look at the world around us and we see Christ's enemies, the evil
rule and authority and power ravaging our world, we don't have to be afraid.
We do need to be prayerfully active in working for the kingdom, of course.
Now, I'm certain there are many things we're afraid of. There's the mess
that our country is in right now. I have read pundits who have said that in
the moral vacuum right now, we will lose credibility as a world leader, and
we will be marginalized in global affairs. There is concern about the
economic forces that might lead us into recession. There is our president
and the concern about his life. There is concern about unemployment amid
much talk about what our valley faces in the near future. Perhaps the
possibility of bankruptcy or even homelessness concerns you personally.
There are the tribal allegiances and ethnic battles on this globe and the
violence that flows from them. There is the religious fanaticism around the
world. There are floods of refugees on so many continents on our globe.
There is violence in Rwanda, Kosovo, Indonesia. Perhaps you are fearful of
jihad in the Middle East and how that might even affect us in terms of
terrorism in our own country or our own community. Some are very fearful
about the effect of the Y2K crisis on us personally and culturally and
socially.
But the point of this passage is that we don't have to be afraid because
"...He [Jesus] must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet."
Although the battle continues, its outcome is absolutely certain: Christ is
victor. Earlier in this chapter we talked about the fear of death that we
all live with. At present, nobody can resist the touch of death. But death
as well will ultimately be robbed of all its power. The promise of the
resurrection is that in the end, after Christ has finally and completely
triumphed, death will not be able to touch us.
THE CLIMAX: CHRIST HANDS THE KINGDOM OVER TO THE FATHER
Then Paul broadens the vision in verses 27-28. This is a beautiful picture
of the Son, who has been given tremendous authority to reign and rule,
handing all of the created order and all of redeemed humanity back to his
heavenly Father.
For He has put all things in subjection under his feet. But when He says,
"All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who
put all things in subjection to Him. And when all things are subjected to
Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected
all things to Him, that God may be all in all.
What Paul is showing us here is how God is ultimately responsible for this
whole chain of events that began with Christ's resurrection and that
culminates in the destruction of death. God the Father has given Christ the
Son unlimited sovereignty over all creation, and there is therefore no
infringement on the Father's own authority.
The climax of this process of putting all things in subjection comes with
the Son's being subject to the Father. Paul is not saying that the Son is
inferior to the Father in his essential nature. He is speaking of the work
that the Son accomplished and will accomplish. Christ has died for men. He
has been raised. He will return again. He will continue to subdue all the
enemies of God. The climax of his whole work will come when he offers up the
kingdom to God, who is the source of everything and that includes us. We
will be tenderly, gently delivered to the Father by the Son.
When we step back and look at verses 23-28, they call us to several things.
They call us to the same submissive spirit that Jesus had. He was willing to
serve the Father, and we are called to subjection to our heavenly Father and
to the Lord Jesus. By nature none of us are submissive people. We don't like
surrendering to anybody, yet Jesus is a powerful example of submission.
This passage also helps us lift our vision above our own immediate personal
circumstances, the things that frighten us in our personal world or in the
larger world around us. We are part of something cosmic. History is going
somewhere. Now, there are things I struggle with. For example, we've got
three children to put through college over the next eight or nine years. I
can get very fearful about whether I can follow through on that
responsibility, whether God is big enough. But whether I put my kids through
college or not is in a sense irrelevant. What is relevant is that God is
absolutely in control of circumstances in my life and in all of our lives
collectively, and we are in a process that he is taking us through. And we
can be absolutely convinced that the outcome, when all things finally fit
together the way they're supposed to, will be good.
MOTIVATED TO SHARE THE GOOD NEWS
Those first two affirmations were doctrinal, but the third is very personal.
Paul lays out how he views life. He says that if we're convinced of the
resurrection, it ought to drastically change how we live. Verse 29 focuses
on the issue of evangelism. If we're convinced of the resurrection, it ought
to be an incentive for us to share the good news with other people out of
concern for their salvation.
Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are
not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?
Now, what does this verse mean? Let me say up front that I don't know-nobody
really does. I read that there are forty different interpretive approaches
to this verse (without even including that of the Mormons, who do practice
baptism for the dead). The problem is that there is nothing in the Bible
except this one verse about being baptized for the dead. There is also
nothing mentioned in first-century extra-Biblical history about this
practice. Apparently it refers to some kind of proxy baptism or vicarious
baptism by a living person on behalf of a dead person to secure the supposed
benefits of baptism for them.
But look carefully at the personal pronouns in verse 29. Paul doesn't
include himself in this practice. He also doesn't condone it. He doesn't
say, "we who are baptized for the dead," or "you who are baptized for the
dead." It was a practice that some people were engaging in, and he knew the
church there would know about it. It was a misguided practice, one that was
misinformed about the nature of salvation. Those who followed it didn't
understand that we are saved by faith alone and nothing else. But these
people were concerned enough about the salvation of their dead family
members to do something about it.
Paul is not evaluating this practice of being baptized for the dead; he only
mentions it in passing. His point is that the hope of the resurrection and
concern for the salvation of loved ones moved people to drastic action. His
burden here is for our believing in the resurrection to have a profound
effect on us, to change our lives, to motivate us to do things we wouldn't
otherwise do out of concern for the salvation of other people.
I read a wonderful story in the Mount Hermon Log (1) of a mother who came to
Christ because of a letter from her teenage daughter. She found the letter
on her pillow as she was packing for her first Mount Hermon weekend women's
conference. It was a beautiful letter about her daughter's love for her and
how much she needed to know the love of Christ to forgive her sins. The
mother shared at the conference how God broke her heart through that witness
of her daughter, and how she came to faith that weekend at Mount Hermon.
That's the kind of extraordinary effort that ought to be normal for us.
That's Paul's challenge: What are we willing to do for the sake of the
salvation of people we love and care about?
HOPE IN DANGER
Paul goes on in verses 30-32 to argue that it's absurd for him to undergo
the dangers that he does for the sake of the gospel if there's no hope of
the resurrection.
Why are we also in danger every hour? I protest, brethren, by the boasting
in you, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. If from human
motives I fought with wild beasts at Ephesus, what does it profit me? If the
dead are not raised, let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.
Eugene Peterson's paraphrase The Message makes these verses much more vivid:
"And why do you think I keep risking my neck in this dangerous work? I look
death in the face practically every day I live. Do you think I'd do this if
I wasn't convinced of your resurrection and mine as guaranteed by the
resurrected Messiah Jesus? Do you think I was just trying to act heroic when
I fought the wild beasts at Ephesus, hoping it wouldn't be the end of me?
Not on your life! It's resurrection, resurrection, always resurrection, that
undergirds what I do and say, the way I live. If there's no resurrection,
'We eat, we drink, the next day we die,' and that's all there is to it." (2)
Paul has written openly in his letters about persecution for preaching the
gospel. We don't really know what events he is referring to here. Perhaps he
did fight wild beasts at some point. There is no other mention of it, so we
don't know if he is speaking metaphorically or if it really happened. But
the point that Paul is making is that our belief in a God who raises the
dead is tremendously motivating when we are suffering or deprived or in
danger, whether we're being affected physically or emotionally or
spiritually. Whatever Paul went through, even fighting beasts in the arena,
the hope of the resurrection strengthened him.
About a year ago Craig Duncan and I went to Pakistan with Ron Ritchie to do
a pastors' conference in Lahore. During the day we were in the safe confines
of the church meeting with other pastors. But every evening there was an
outdoor evangelistic crusade in an amphitheater. Five to eight thousand
people came each night. The host knew that there would be Muslims there,
some of whom were investigating the gospel, but some of whom were spying out
what the Christians were doing. They told us up front that there was an
element of danger in the whole thing. We sat on the platform each night. The
one who was really in danger was Ron Ritchie, who stood in the center
spotlight and preached the gospel each night of that crusade. On about the
third day, the host got a telephone call, and he told us that they had been
threatened with violent disruption of the crusade that night. He said,
"Brothers, it's your call. Do you want to go through with this or not?"
We prayed with the brothers who were hosting us. We ended up saying in
essence, "What's the worst thing that could happen? We could get killed. But
God is in charge of that. And we believe in the resurrection." So Ron stood
up that night and preached the gospel. People were saved. Nobody got killed,
at least none of us or anybody else that I knew of. But if we hadn't had
that hope, we would not have had the courage or the confidence to walk into
that arena so that Ron could preach the gospel.
MOTIVATION FOR A HOLY LIFESTYLE
In the last two verses Paul makes a strong appeal in a series of commands.
In essence he says, "If you believe in the resurrection, then you will live
a holy life. You will be sold out absolutely to Jesus Christ in all your
values and priorities."
Do not be deceived: "Bad company corrupts good morals." Become sober-minded
as you ought, and stop sinning; for some have no knowledge of God. I speak
this to your shame.
Paul is quoting a line from a comedy in Greek literature. But who is the bad
company he is concerned about who might corrupt the morals of these
Corinthian Christians? From whom should they separate themselves? The answer
is in verse 34: "...Some have no knowledge of God." Back in 15:12 Paul
wrote, "...How do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the
dead?" The "some" who were corrupting them were those who questioned the
resurrection, and their corrupting influence wasn't just about doctrine.
What you believe about the resurrection, Paul says, controls how you live
your life, how you spend your money and use your time, how you invest
yourself. People who think wrongly invariably behave wrongly. So just as
hoping in the resurrection is an incentive for obedience and holiness, so
denying the resurrection is an incentive for disobedience and immorality. As
Paul says in verse 32, "We might as well eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.
If death is the end, then what difference does it make how we live our
lives?" We could paraphrase this appeal in verse 34 this way: "Those of you
who do believe in the resurrection know better, and you should be leading
those who do not believe in the resurrection into a true knowledge of God,
rather than allowing their heresy and immorality to mislead and corrupt
you."
I wrestled with this last week in terms of how it challenges us. It's a
tragedy when we Christians, the people of the resurrection, end up being
influenced by the nonbelievers around us who have embraced a material
philosophy that denies resurrection life. Now, few of our materialist
friends are going to advocate a life of sheer gluttony or drunkenness or
wantonness. But they tempt us with "the good life"-cultivating the fine arts
of dining and music and theater, even treasured friendships. Ultimately all
of that is self-centered, since it isn't concerned with any continuing
existence beyond the grave. Self-interest can even express itself in
humanitarianism, although in the final analysis it produces nothing
permanently satisfying if this life is all that exists.
As Christians, we must have a radically different mindset. We must recognize
that a far better life awaits us than anything we can experience here. So we
can risk our lives, our well-being, our resources for the sake of the
gospel. We can do it in ways that our material friends wouldn't even
consider. In our ethical framework, physical death cannot be the greatest
tragedy or the most powerful determinant of correct human behavior. Instead,
we must always be asking the question, "What is likely to have the greatest
spiritual advantage for the most number of people?" We want to think like
the apostle Paul.
I read a quote this week by Gordon Snyder:
"The resurrection addresses those who insist on protection and security of
the individual, of institutions, and of the country. Such persons set up
mechanisms of defense along economic lines, racial lines, and national
lines. In sharp contrast, the life of the Spirit with its hope in the
resurrection does not, indeed cannot, dwell on preservation of the flesh, of
personhood or institutions or nations. Rather, the corporate life of the
Christian becomes one of risk. A Christian can risk his or her life because
a Christian knows this life is not the end." (3)
If we believe that Christ has now been raised from the dead, we will stand
out in the world around us. Are you convinced that because of Christ's
resurrection, your future is totally secure and you have been included in
the hope of the resurrection? Can you live fearlessly in the midst of all
the swirling currents and forces at work in the world around you? Are your
eyes set on the goal, which is for God to ultimately reign? Finally, and
practically, is the way you make choices about your budget, discretionary
time, resources, and energy driven by passion for the resurrection and the
difference it makes?
Notes:
1. Mount Hermon Log, Volume 54, Number 3, August, 1998. P. 2.
2. Eugene H. Peterson, The Message, © 1993, 1994 by Eugene H. Peterson.
NavPress, Colorado Springs, CO. P. 364.
3. Gordon F. Snyder, First Corinthians: A Faith Community Commentary, © 1992
by Mercer, Macon, GA. P. 211.
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Standard Bible, © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995
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dear "Carl"
Quote: Recently, a certain proven heretic
does your church have the approved court system to try and judge
people?
where in your church is there such a title as proven heretic?
are you a catholic that worships in such way?
for heretic is a religious legal term.
out lawing and criminalizing people is one thang, making up a court
that assignes judgements against other christians goes directly
against jesus teaching.
no where does jesus ever say one is a heretic for not belong and
obeying a christian church.
no where does jesus show any interest in christianity period.
Quote: has gotten so desperate in his attempts
this goes with not naming the person?
this goes with gossip and and demeaning people?
christians sure know how to dis people for jesus.
you? you were smeared?
did you tell jesus? what did jesus say to you about feeling smeared?
did you call that person a dog for jesus?
did you ridicule that person for your preception of being smeared?
when you call people every name in the book?
LOL.
Quote: has gone completely into the realm of absurdity by falsely
this is another judgement for jesus against another great unwashed
soul?
how does this work, you pay the pope for special dispensations to go
against jesus teachings?
you pay your minster for the preveldge to insult in jesus name?
Quote: claiming that I deny the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ
you are talking about it like you have formed your own religion around
the idea and are selling tickets.
Quote: (you can see
what I believe specifically on an area of my own website
[http://www.nettally.com/saints/affirmat.html] where I have my personal
affirmation of faith).
now why would anyone want to go there?
we certainly get enough of you here.
Quote: Quite the contrary,
you have proved nothing to need to be contrary.
Quote: I know that Jesus Christ was
bodily resurrected
you believe it you cannot prove nor have you witnessed it.
you do not give any indication you know jesus in this life time
nor understand jesus teachings.
so your assumption that jesus rose from the dead can only go so far.
and as jesus is not dead nor ever died. it is hard to imagine jesus
having a problem when people complain about you.
Quote: because the Bible is clear as crystal on the topic.
as you refuse to prove it yourself?
unless i works now, it never worked.
unless god is alive and meetable today.
moses never met god.
unless god is with us now, god will never be with us.
yet, it takes love to find the father/mother/god
where is there love in this post?
Quote: God
warned us how wicked and evil
what is evil to someone that calls people dogs using sacred texts?
Quote: these self-condemned individuals
no one is self condemned, you have condemned them.
another judgement for jesus.
dude, how do you break jesus instructions and still pretend like this?
are (Titus
Quote: 3:11). I've not only pointed out scriptures showing conclusively that the
Bible teaches Jesus' resurrection
that does not make it true. when we can see how much of christian
ledgend has been borrowed from other religions.
it does not make the myth real. unless it is happening to you, you
can't prove it ever happened.
and as you use death threats, you are in deep trouble for not know god
and using god to threaten to harm others.
deleted some complaints about inferior religions.
Quote: It's not
surprising how wicked heretics, radical atheists, etc. are in their words
how are you different?
you do more name calling than anyone on christnet.
you say more wicked thangs than anyone else on christnet.
and who cares that others have other religious thought?
can not two people disagree without the christian saying you are a
radical atheists and will die for it.
there is no discussion when all you got is death threats.
what is that to me? i follow thee god.
Quote: as well as how dishonest
another judgement call for jesus.
is this guy ever happy?
does this guy like anyone?
he sure don't like jesus message of love.
Quote: they become in regards to Christians and
Christianity.
where is there one christian around here that loves........
would like you to stop condemning the world for jesus.
we would like you to start loving for jesus.
Quote: need to pray for them
can you imagine having such an unloving person pray for you.......
what would the outcome of these prayers be?
when there is no love?
would you want this person to out you before god and country?
rather than work to help you solve your problems?
and who made this guy so mean?
Quote: in hope their hearts
put hope in your heart first.
being a witness for jesus suggests you know jesus teachings and follow
them.
Quote: will be softened and they will turn to Jesus Christ as their Lord and
Savior.
by whose example of love?
name one loving christian on christnet.
in love with the living gay jesus,
merlin
jesus is alive, satan is alive, yahweh is alive, moses is alive.
nebukanezer is alive.
they all got souls that never die. where is yours?
alt.bible, alt.christnet, alt.christnet.bible,
alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, alt.religion.christian.biblestudy,
alt.religion.christian.methodist, alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,
alt.christnet
free.christians, alt.christnet |
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