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Jim Westergren
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:51 pm
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"The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his fellows
despite all reasons he should not.

And the true sign of sanity and greatness is to so continue."

Read continuation on http://www.realhubbard.org

This is one of my favorite essays.

What do you think?

/ Jim
 
Chip Gallo
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:12 pm
Guest
Jim Westergren wrote:
Quote:
"The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his fellows
despite all reasons he should not.

And the true sign of sanity and greatness is to so continue."

Read continuation on http://www.realhubbard.org

This is one of my favorite essays.

What do you think?

/ Jim


I doubt that you can handle what I think. Hubbard was uneven in his
writing, with much of his later output being nearly unreadable. I think
he depended on editors to shape the writing. He had a "soapbox" mode
where he expressed grandiose themes which did not carry through to his
personal life.

This makes him less than honest as a writer. His research was worse,
where it can even be called research at all.

Chip Gallo
www.chipster.biz
 
Cerridwen
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:01 pm
Guest
On 27 Feb 2005, "Jim Westergren" <jimwestergren@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
"The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his fellows
despite all reasons he should not.

And the true sign of sanity and greatness is to so continue."

Read continuation on http://www.realhubbard.org

This is one of my favorite essays.

What do you think?

Hi Jim,

That used to be one of my favorite LRH essays as well. I remember
when I first started talking to critics on ars, it was very difficult trying
to figure out the kooks from the "somewhat" sane posters.

I would like to recommend that you don't try to answer everyone,
especially the people that seem to just want to put you down.

Find a few posters that are easy to talk to and talk to them with
your data series firmly in hand. Thatincludes not coming here
with any "idee fixe" or fixed ideas about anything or anyone. As a
Scientologist you have every right to be here per the Creed of the Church
and per the Code of Honor. But you can't handle the critics if you don't
listen and understand their upsets. Just tell the truth as you see it but also
move up from being self determined and try being Pan determined. Pan determinism
requires that you look, listen and view both sides of this game honestly
and completely.

Give it a try. What do you have to lose?




Cerridwen

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/

"Informing people doesn't involve trying to silence those who disagree with you." --Prignillius
 
Phil Scott
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:37 pm
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"Jim Westergren" <jimwestergren@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1109526699.793512.136660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
"The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his
fellows
despite all reasons he should not.

And the true sign of sanity and greatness is to so
continue."

Read continuation on http://www.realhubbard.org

This is one of my favorite essays.

What do you think?

I think yer man phatso would have done well to cease
lying, as his following policies were about how to ruin anyone
that disagreed with his other ruthless policy ..."utterly if
possible".

You missed that son? Its in the front of
every course pack in KSW and referenced policies on attacking,
including putting a 4 year old child in the anchor chain
locker on the Apollo of days as a punishment for chewing on
one of his papers.

What it is Jimbo, you focused on the glorious brainwash,
not on what actually happened or hubbards dark satanic
background that fostered the mess.... including Hubbie going
exponentially nutz in his last years.

But thats OK Jimbo... part of the lesson from all this
observation of how the brainwashee's behave and how long it
takes them to wake up... you are one of the duller
performers. Most of Hubbies trained "class 8's and 12's" have
long since left the cult... and have been spilling the beans
for years now... you however have not be bright enough to
notice that reality and ask why then dig for the answer.






Phil Scott
Quote:

/ Jim
 
Howard
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 4:00 pm
Guest
Cerridwen wrote:
Quote:

On 27 Feb 2005, "Jim Westergren" <jimwestergren@hotmail.com> wrote:
"The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his fellows
despite all reasons he should not.

And the true sign of sanity and greatness is to so continue."

Read continuation on http://www.realhubbard.org

This is one of my favorite essays.

What do you think?

Hi Jim,

That used to be one of my favorite LRH essays as well. I remember
when I first started talking to critics on ars, it was very difficult trying
to figure out the kooks from the "somewhat" sane posters.

I would like to recommend that you don't try to answer everyone,
especially the people that seem to just want to put you down.

Find a few posters that are easy to talk to and talk to them with
your data series firmly in hand. Thatincludes not coming here
with any "idee fixe" or fixed ideas about anything or anyone. As a
Scientologist you have every right to be here per the Creed of the Church
and per the Code of Honor. But you can't handle the critics if you don't
listen and understand their upsets. Just tell the truth as you see it but also
move up from being self determined and try being Pan determined. Pan determinism
requires that you look, listen and view both sides of this game honestly
and completely.

Give it a try. What do you have to lose?

Dear Cerridwen


Just a quick note to say that I so enjoy your generous and open
response to this young man.

regards

Howard
--
hedmundoatmacmaildotcom
Now playing: Mannenberg - Abdullah Ibrahim
 
roger gonnet
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:17 am
Guest
"Jim Westergren" <jimwestergren@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de
news: 1109526669.813647.59560@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
"The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his fellows
despite all reasons he should not.

And the true sign of sanity and greatness is to so continue."

Read continuation on http://www.realhubbard.org

This is one of my favorite essays.

What do you think?

It's relatively true.

Too bad, elrong was totally unable to apply any of that.

A small dwarf, followed by another shorter one.

r
 
Barbara Schwarz
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:06 pm
Guest
Jim Westergren wrote:
Quote:
"The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his fellows
despite all reasons he should not.

And the true sign of sanity and greatness is to so continue."

Read continuation on http://www.realhubbard.org

This is one of my favorite essays.

What do you think?

It is a beautiful essay. Thanks for posting it, Jim, and ignore the
mentally disturbed Scientology attackers.

Barbara Schwarz
Quote:

/ Jim
 
Barbara Schwarz
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:08 pm
Guest
Cerridwen wrote:
Quote:
On 27 Feb 2005, "Jim Westergren" <jimwestergren@hotmail.com> wrote:
"The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his fellows
despite all reasons he should not.

And the true sign of sanity and greatness is to so continue."

Read continuation on http://www.realhubbard.org

This is one of my favorite essays.

What do you think?

Hi Jim,

That used to be one of my favorite LRH essays as well. I remember
when I first started talking to critics on ars, it was very difficult
trying
to figure out the kooks from the "somewhat" sane posters.

I would like to recommend that you don't try to answer everyone,
especially the people that seem to just want to put you down.


May I remember Patty, that you were one of those who tried to pull Jim
down when he first posted? You attacked him on his age and told him to
take a hike, you snake.

Barbara Schwarz
Quote:

Find a few posters that are easy to talk to and talk to them with
your data series firmly in hand. Thatincludes not coming here
with any "idee fixe" or fixed ideas about anything or anyone. As a
Scientologist you have every right to be here per the Creed of the
Church
and per the Code of Honor. But you can't handle the critics if you
don't
listen and understand their upsets. Just tell the truth as you see
it but also
move up from being self determined and try being Pan determined. Pan
determinism
requires that you look, listen and view both sides of this game
honestly
and completely.

Give it a try. What do you have to lose?




Cerridwen

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/

"Informing people doesn't involve trying to silence those who
disagree with you." --Prignillius
 
Barbara Schwarz
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:35 pm
Guest
Howard wrote:
Quote:
Cerridwen wrote:

On 27 Feb 2005, "Jim Westergren" <jimwestergren@hotmail.com> wrote:
"The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his fellows
despite all reasons he should not.

And the true sign of sanity and greatness is to so continue."

Read continuation on http://www.realhubbard.org

This is one of my favorite essays.

What do you think?

Hi Jim,

That used to be one of my favorite LRH essays as well. I remember
when I first started talking to critics on ars, it was very
difficult trying
to figure out the kooks from the "somewhat" sane posters.

I would like to recommend that you don't try to answer everyone,
especially the people that seem to just want to put you down.

Find a few posters that are easy to talk to and talk to them with
your data series firmly in hand. Thatincludes not coming here
with any "idee fixe" or fixed ideas about anything or anyone. As a
Scientologist you have every right to be here per the Creed of the
Church
and per the Code of Honor. But you can't handle the critics if
you don't
listen and understand their upsets. Just tell the truth as you see
it but also
move up from being self determined and try being Pan determined.
Pan determinism
requires that you look, listen and view both sides of this game
honestly
and completely.

Give it a try. What do you have to lose?

Dear Cerridwen

Just a quick note to say that I so enjoy your generous and open
response to this young man.

regards

Howard

Oh really, Howard? Generously and open? In the thread "I am a
Scientologist", dead beat Patty Pieniadz or better Peanuts violated Jim
Westergren's copyright. She copied and published one of his stories
without asking him if she may. In the same thread she tries to make him
a bad cconscience telling him that he has no right to post on ARS that
he would get in troubles and should make a run. See below.

I think that she had a talk with her best friend Fluffy and the both of
them got the idea to pull Jim in their corner and indoctrinate with
lies on the websites that Patty recommends. He is a lot smarter than
this.

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/pieniadzp01.html

Barbara Schwarz

Cerridwen wrote:
Quote:
On 22 Feb 2005, "Jim W." <jimwestergren@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear readers,

Scientology has changed my whole life to the better and I know of no
other group helping as much as Scientology is doing.

/ Jim W.

This links to his website,which links to Scn sites.


http://www.nicestories.com/unreg/s/author.php?id=2214


Jim,

You're just a kid that's about to get in a lot of ethics trouble
for communicating and sharing your ideas with critics of
Scientology.

If you check with your local OSA, you will see that your
Church does not allow you to be here.

Now run along.


Cerridwen
 
Howard
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:41 pm
Guest
Barbara Schwarz wrote:
Quote:

Howard wrote:
Cerridwen wrote:

On 27 Feb 2005, "Jim Westergren" <jimwestergren@hotmail.com> wrote:
"The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his fellows
despite all reasons he should not.

And the true sign of sanity and greatness is to so continue."

Read continuation on http://www.realhubbard.org

This is one of my favorite essays.

What do you think?

Hi Jim,

That used to be one of my favorite LRH essays as well. I remember
when I first started talking to critics on ars, it was very
difficult trying to figure out the kooks from the "somewhat"
sane posters.

I would like to recommend that you don't try to answer everyone,
especially the people that seem to just want to put you down.

Find a few posters that are easy to talk to and talk to them with
your data series firmly in hand. That includes not coming here
with any "idee fixe" or fixed ideas about anything or anyone. As a
Scientologist you have every right to be here per the Creed of the
Church and per the Code of Honor. But you can't handle the critics
if you don't listen and understand their upsets.
Just tell the truth as you see it but also move up from being self
determined and try being Pan determined. Pan determinism
requires that you look, listen and view both sides of this game
honestly and completely.

Give it a try. What do you have to lose?

Dear Cerridwen

Just a quick note to say that I so enjoy your generous and open
response to this young man.


Oh really, Howard? Generously and open? In the thread "I am a
Scientologist", dead beat Patty Pieniadz or better Peanuts violated Jim
Westergren's copyright. She copied and published one of his stories
without asking him if she may. In the same thread she tries to make him
a bad cconscience telling him that he has no right to post on ARS that
he would get in troubles and should make a run. See below.

snip


Yes. She said:
Quote:
You're just a kid that's about to get in a lot of ethics trouble
for communicating and sharing your ideas with critics of
Scientology.

If you check with your local OSA, you will see that your
Church does not allow you to be here.

Now run along.


Dear Barbara

It seems to be an accurate summation of CoS ground rules. Some might
consider that encouraging him to continue is more reprehensible.

regards

Howard
--
hedmundoatmacmaildotcom
 
Barbara Schwarz
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:42 pm
Guest
Howard wrote:
Quote:
Barbara Schwarz wrote:

Howard wrote:
Cerridwen wrote:

On 27 Feb 2005, "Jim Westergren" <jimwestergren@hotmail.com
wrote:
"The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his
fellows
despite all reasons he should not.

And the true sign of sanity and greatness is to so continue."

Read continuation on http://www.realhubbard.org

This is one of my favorite essays.

What do you think?

Hi Jim,

That used to be one of my favorite LRH essays as well. I
remember
when I first started talking to critics on ars, it was very
difficult trying to figure out the kooks from the "somewhat"
sane posters.

I would like to recommend that you don't try to answer
everyone,
especially the people that seem to just want to put you down.

Find a few posters that are easy to talk to and talk to them
with
your data series firmly in hand. That includes not coming here
with any "idee fixe" or fixed ideas about anything or anyone.
As a
Scientologist you have every right to be here per the Creed of
the
Church and per the Code of Honor. But you can't handle the
critics
if you don't listen and understand their upsets.
Just tell the truth as you see it but also move up from being
self
determined and try being Pan determined. Pan determinism
requires that you look, listen and view both sides of this game
honestly and completely.

Give it a try. What do you have to lose?

Dear Cerridwen

Just a quick note to say that I so enjoy your generous and open
response to this young man.


Oh really, Howard? Generously and open? In the thread "I am a
Scientologist", dead beat Patty Pieniadz or better Peanuts violated
Jim
Westergren's copyright. She copied and published one of his stories
without asking him if she may. In the same thread she tries to make
him
a bad cconscience telling him that he has no right to post on ARS
that
he would get in troubles and should make a run. See below.

snip

Yes. She said:
You're just a kid that's about to get in a lot of ethics trouble
for communicating and sharing your ideas with critics of
Scientology.

If you check with your local OSA, you will see that your
Church does not allow you to be here.

Now run along.


Dear Barbara

It seems to be an accurate summation of CoS ground rules. Some might
consider that encouraging him to continue is more reprehensible.

regards

Howard

Cherridwen (Patty) is no honest or good person, Howard. You could find
yourself out by lending her some money which he never will repay.

Anyway, she wants to get rid of Scientologist posters, either by
telling them to take a hike or by pulling them in her anti-religious
extremists corner.

Think about this: if the OSA indeed would forbid Scientologists to set
the SPs in ARS straight, (and I never saw any evidence that they do)
would that not mean that that those in OSA then would be the SPs and
let the ARS SPs come away? And why would a Scientologist have to listen
to SPs then?

However, again, I saw no evidence that OSA does forbid Scientologists
to post here. They never told me not to.

Barbara Schwarz



--
> hedmundoatmacmaildotcom
 
Ball of Fluff
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:44 pm
Guest
Howard wrote:
Quote:
Barbara Schwarz wrote:

Howard wrote:
Cerridwen wrote:

On 27 Feb 2005, "Jim Westergren" <jimwestergren@hotmail.com
wrote:
"The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his
fellows
despite all reasons he should not.

And the true sign of sanity and greatness is to so continue."

Read continuation on http://www.realhubbard.org

This is one of my favorite essays.

What do you think?

Hi Jim,

That used to be one of my favorite LRH essays as well. I
remember
when I first started talking to critics on ars, it was very
difficult trying to figure out the kooks from the "somewhat"
sane posters.

I would like to recommend that you don't try to answer
everyone,
especially the people that seem to just want to put you down.

Find a few posters that are easy to talk to and talk to them
with
your data series firmly in hand. That includes not coming here
with any "idee fixe" or fixed ideas about anything or anyone.
As a
Scientologist you have every right to be here per the Creed of
the
Church and per the Code of Honor. But you can't handle the
critics
if you don't listen and understand their upsets.
Just tell the truth as you see it but also move up from being
self
determined and try being Pan determined. Pan determinism
requires that you look, listen and view both sides of this game
honestly and completely.

Give it a try. What do you have to lose?

Dear Cerridwen

Just a quick note to say that I so enjoy your generous and open
response to this young man.


Oh really, Howard? Generously and open? In the thread "I am a
Scientologist", dead beat Patty Pieniadz or better Peanuts violated
Jim
Westergren's copyright. She copied and published one of his stories
without asking him if she may. In the same thread she tries to make
him
a bad cconscience telling him that he has no right to post on ARS
that
he would get in troubles and should make a run. See below.

snip

Yes. She said:
You're just a kid that's about to get in a lot of ethics trouble
for communicating and sharing your ideas with critics of
Scientology.

If you check with your local OSA, you will see that your
Church does not allow you to be here.

Now run along.


Dear Barbara

It seems to be an accurate summation of CoS ground rules. Some might
consider that encouraging him to continue is more reprehensible.


Some would, for sure. Like my former DSA and my former best buddy.

C
 
 
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