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Dr. R. Knapp...
Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:58 pm
 
On Nov 12, 3:02 pm, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
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"Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

Gal 3:28
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free,
there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
NKJV

Of course, those who are baptized into Christ are all heirs according to
promise of being saved and put right with God through Jesus. But we
still have our roles to play as commanded by the word.  proof! "There is
neither SLAVE nor FREE man"

Now, did that mean slaves could refuse to obey their masters? because
they where now free 'in Christ' ( ie. free from the consequences of their
previous sinful state (Condemned to death) before they where baptized)
of course not, and if this had been the case, surely Paul would have
insisted that all Christian 'Slave owners' released or stop demanding
obedience
to their instructions.

Yet what do we find, Raymond?
"Slaves, obey your masters; be eager to give them your very best. Serve
them as you would Christ. Don't work hard only when your master is watching
and then shirk when he isn't looking; work hard and with gladness all the
time,  as though working for Christ, doing the will of God with all your
hearts. Remember, the Lord will pay you for each good thing you do, whether
you
are slave or free." Eph 6:5-8 (Living Bible)

And again... "Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to
please
them well in all things; not answering again; 10 Not purloining, but showing
all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in
all things.  Titus 2:9-10 (KJV)

"Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters
worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not
blasphemed."  1
Tim 6:1 (KJV)

Now, where is there mention of Paul quoting, or advising slaves to say,
in pursuit of negating obedience to their masters. Oh! but hold on you
masters!
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man,
there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal
3:26-28

 Studied in its proper context you can see, it gives no reasoning or
excuse to abandon or disobey the Word of God pertaining to women remaining
silent in the churches as the Lord through Paul has commanded them.

Women fulfilling their roles in behaviour and deportment and obeying
scripture, is part of the their duty to Christ.

Refusing to play the submissive role, Veiling themselves in prayer, (or if
they refuse,
they are to shave their head) and remaining silent in the church, not
"usurping man's authority"  is willful sin,  for such are disobedience to
God's
express will.

So do your women veil or cover their heads before praying to God as
Apostolic instructions, Raymond?

Some do, then long hair is a covering if you read the scripture it is
their veil. Then such is for local churches and such is not part of
salvation but custom, and if one does or does not will not put them in
heaven or keep them from going to heaven. a better question would be
if a person does not pay titles which is ten percent of their income
be seen as thieves or robbers and such would not enter into heaven.
Since that is not just instructions of the church or the Apostles but
by God Himself, and the promise for doing so is great,otherwise
putting a hat on or veil would seem small and insignificant.

Raymond

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Jeff...

 
Dr. R. Knapp...
Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:01 pm
 
On Nov 12, 2:33 pm, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
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"Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:c7f526bf-13d9-4690-8433-a4dd18dcbeb0 at (no spam) r4g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 11, 3:36 am, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
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"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
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Paul never had his teachings approved by Jesus, Christ only spoke to
him once

How about anytime....." One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision
and
told him,
"Don't be afraid! Speak out! Don't be silent!10 For I am with you, and
no one will
attack and harm you, for many people in this city belong to me." 11 So
Paul
stayed there for the next year and a half, teaching the word of God.."
Acts
18:9-11 (NLT)

What is wrong with you?

Nothing! only you said the Lord only spoke to Paul once, well I have
shown
you another time, so admit he spoke to him more then once. Thanks.

Continuing with the Daily Readings I see he also spoke to Paul on yet
another occasion, would you like me to show the passage, Raymond?

~You still avoid the issue,

Raymond, I am trying to take the issues one at a time.
You stated that Christ only communed with Paul on one occasion, well I have
showed you two already and  here is another...."11 And the night following
the Lord STOOD BY HIM, and said, Be of good cheer: for as thou hast
testified concerning me at Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at
Rome."  Acts 23:11 (ASV)

Is trying to mean avoiding the information given and the evidents from
what Jesus did teach which do not cover what Paul had to say? One can
communed with Christ in many ways, such as reading or by the Holy
Spirit speaking to the heart. You wrote Jesus gave Paul the teaching
to tell woman not to speak in the church. YOU have NOT EVEN ONCE
GIVEN A VERSE TO SUPPORT THAT REMARK. Paul spoke what he wanted
people to do at that time, not JESUS.


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So will you now please acknowledge that Christ communed more then "Only
once" with Paul?
Thank

God communicates with all His believers not only Paul as God does
commune with people today, you have no shown that Christ communed with
Paul that message Paul gave to the church he was speaking at about
women not speaking in the church. Jesus asked Paul why he did what he
did, and Paul answered Jesus and they spoke together, now show me
another verse where Jesus spoke to Paul and Paul spoke back Paul to
Jesus and Jesus answered Paul. You and other keep trying to make
your rule over woman, which the whole of the Bible and many witness
show is not for all churches or all woman. You keep avoiding to reply
to the verses and testimonies the bible provided which show your
errors. This is not about Paul or that God in the past spoke to Paul
or how many times, it is about what Paul said, was not approved by
God, so opening the question that Paul did not get permission to teach
that doctrine you all want to be from God, when it was not so.

I sure by now anyone else reading these replies that I have given can
see that the teaching about woman being quiet in the church was what
the Bible did teach for all.

Dr. R. Knapp D.Div, B.TH
 
Dr. R. Knapp...
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:12 pm
 
On Nov 15, 3:50 pm, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
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On Nov 12, 2:33 pm, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"





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"Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
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On Nov 11, 3:36 am, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
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"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
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wrote in messagenews:8jsfb8Frj1U1 at (no spam) mid.individual.net...
messagenews:248d1bb6-b509-4f36-8e1c-
Paul never had his teachings approved by Jesus, Christ only spoke
to
him once

How about anytime....." One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision
and
told him,
"Don't be afraid! Speak out! Don't be silent!10 For I am with you,
and
no one will
attack and harm you, for many people in this city belong to me." 11
So
Paul
stayed there for the next year and a half, teaching the word of
God."
Acts
18:9-11 (NLT)

What is wrong with you?

Nothing! only you said the Lord only spoke to Paul once, well I have
shown
you another time, so admit he spoke to him more then once. Thanks.

Continuing with the Daily Readings I see he also spoke to Paul on yet
another occasion, would you like me to show the passage, Raymond?

~You still avoid the issue,

Raymond, I am trying to take the issues one at a time.
You stated that Christ only communed with Paul on one occasion, well I
have
showed you two already and here is another...."11 And the night following
the Lord STOOD BY HIM, and said, Be of good cheer: for as thou hast
testified concerning me at Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at
Rome." Acts 23:11 (ASV)
Is trying to mean avoiding the information given and the evidents from
what Jesus did teach which do not cover what Paul had to say?

[The point is you are STILL wrong when you stated  that Christ only once
spoke to Christ.]

So are you stating that you don't believe Paul  when he stated....
 "Whoever thinks that he speaks for God or that he is
spiritually gifted must acknowledge that what I write to you is what the
Lord commands."

Do you think he was a lying?

I think you are lying!
 
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist...
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:50 pm
 
"Dr. R. Knapp" <rwknapp at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 12, 2:33 pm, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
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Quote:
"Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
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On Nov 11, 3:36 am, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
broadband1234[remove] at (no spam) ntlworld.com> wrote:
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
broadband1234[remove] at (no spam) ntlworld.com
wrote in messagenews:8jsfb8Frj1U1 at (no spam) mid.individual.net...
messagenews:248d1bb6-b509-4f36-8e1c-
Paul never had his teachings approved by Jesus, Christ only spoke
to
him once

How about anytime....." One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision
and
told him,
"Don't be afraid! Speak out! Don't be silent!10 For I am with you,
and
no one will
attack and harm you, for many people in this city belong to me." 11
So
Paul
stayed there for the next year and a half, teaching the word of
God."
Acts
18:9-11 (NLT)

What is wrong with you?

Nothing! only you said the Lord only spoke to Paul once, well I have
shown
you another time, so admit he spoke to him more then once. Thanks.

Continuing with the Daily Readings I see he also spoke to Paul on yet
another occasion, would you like me to show the passage, Raymond?

~You still avoid the issue,

Raymond, I am trying to take the issues one at a time.
You stated that Christ only communed with Paul on one occasion, well I
have
showed you two already and here is another...."11 And the night following
the Lord STOOD BY HIM, and said, Be of good cheer: for as thou hast
testified concerning me at Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at
Rome." Acts 23:11 (ASV)

Is trying to mean avoiding the information given and the evidents from
what Jesus did teach which do not cover what Paul had to say?

[The point is you are STILL wrong when you stated that Christ only once
spoke to Christ.]

So are you stating that you don't believe Paul when he stated....
"Whoever thinks that he speaks for God or that he is
spiritually gifted must acknowledge that what I write to you is what the
Lord commands."

Do you think he was a lying?

Jeff...
The Scripture teaching on women is plain enough, and indeed for 1,900 years
women obeyed the commanded of the Lord.
"As in all the churches of God's holy people, 34 the women must keep silent.
They don't have the right to speak.......It's shameful for a woman to speak
in church......37 Whoever thinks that he speaks for God or that he is
spiritually gifted must acknowledge that what I write to you is what the
Lord commands."1 Cor 14:33-37 (GW)
 
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist...
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:56 pm
 
"Dr. R. Knapp" <rwknapp at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 12, 2:33 pm, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
<broadband1234[remove] at (no spam) ntlworld.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:c7f526bf-13d9-4690-8433-a4dd18dcbeb0 at (no spam) r4g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 11, 3:36 am, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
broadband1234[remove] at (no spam) ntlworld.com> wrote:
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
broadband1234[remove] at (no spam) ntlworld.com
wrote in messagenews:8jsfb8Frj1U1 at (no spam) mid.individual.net...
messagenews:248d1bb6-b509-4f36-8e1c-
Paul never had his teachings approved by Jesus, Christ only spoke
to
him once

How about anytime....." One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision
and
told him,
"Don't be afraid! Speak out! Don't be silent!10 For I am with you,
and
no one will
attack and harm you, for many people in this city belong to me." 11
So
Paul
stayed there for the next year and a half, teaching the word of
God."
Acts
18:9-11 (NLT)

What is wrong with you?

Nothing! only you said the Lord only spoke to Paul once, well I have
shown
you another time, so admit he spoke to him more then once. Thanks.

Continuing with the Daily Readings I see he also spoke to Paul on yet
another occasion, would you like me to show the passage, Raymond?

~You still avoid the issue,

Raymond, I am trying to take the issues one at a time.
You stated that Christ only communed with Paul on one occasion, well I
have
showed you two already and here is another...."11 And the night following
the Lord STOOD BY HIM, and said, Be of good cheer: for as thou hast
testified concerning me at Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at
Rome." Acts 23:11 (ASV)

Is trying to mean avoiding the information given and the evidents from
what Jesus did teach which do not cover what Paul had to say?

[The point is you are STILL wrong when you stated that Christ only once
spoke to Paul.]

So are you stating that you don't believe Paul when he stated....
"Whoever thinks that he speaks for God or that he is
spiritually gifted must acknowledge that what I write to you is what the
Lord commands."

Do you think he was a lying?

Jeff...
The Scripture teaching on women is plain enough, and indeed for 1,900 years
women obeyed the commanded of the Lord.
"As in all the churches of God's holy people, 34 the women must keep silent.
They don't have the right to speak.......It's shameful for a woman to speak
in church......37 Whoever thinks that he speaks for God or that he is
spiritually gifted must acknowledge that what I write to you is what the
Lord commands."1 Cor 14:33-37 (GW)
 
 
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