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Sidney Lambe...
Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:05 am
 
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#Subject: Re: If Creationists Actually Had Any Evidence, they Wouldn't Need to Bury Themselves in LIES!

I keep seeing this in my kill-log. It's crossposted to a group
that I find unacceptable.

But the subject is amusing. I mean, the Darwinists tell us that
life happenned by accident, on an other-wise lifeless planet,
billions of years ago.

The fact is that there is no way for Scientists to know what the
Earth was like billions of years ago. That theory is simply what
they accept as fact, on blind faith, because it has to be that
way for their Theory of Evolution to be true.

Sid

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zayton...
Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:02 pm
 
"Sidney Lambe" <sidneylambe at (no spam) somewhere.invalid> wrote in message
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#From: Virgil <Virgil at (no spam) home.esc
#Subject: Re: If Creationists Actually Had Any Evidence, they Wouldn't
Need to Bury Themselves in LIES!

I keep seeing this in my kill-log. It's crossposted to a group
that I find unacceptable.

But the subject is amusing. I mean, the Darwinists tell us that
life happenned by accident, on an other-wise lifeless planet,
billions of years ago.

Darwin's theories do not include the origin of life.
As usual, You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Sidney Lambe...
Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:22 pm
 
On alt.religion.christian, W.T.S. <m14m at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
In article <slrni9pmdh.2rh.sidneylambe at (no spam) 3f8s2dcr5.net>,
sidneylambe at (no spam) somewhere.invalid says...

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#From: Virgil <Virgil at (no spam) home.esc> #Subject: Re: If Creationists
Actually Had Any Evidence, they Wouldn't Need to Bury
Themselves in LIES!

I keep seeing this in my kill-log. It's crossposted to a group
that I find unacceptable.

But the subject is amusing. I mean, the Darwinists tell us
that life happenned by accident, on an other-wise lifeless
planet, billions of years ago.

No, that's not what Darwin, or any other scientist for that
matter, says.

Not in so many words, but that is what they are saying,
never-the-less.

They may claim that the ToE doesn't deal with initial
causes of life, but that's just sophistry and
intellectual dishonesty.

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[the scientists have no way of knowing what]
Quote:
the Earth was like billions of years ago. That theory is
simply what they accept as fact, on blind faith, because it
has to be that way for their Theory of Evolution to be true.

There are _plenty_ of ways to know about four point five
billion years ago! The fossil record, which is like reading a
book, is just one way.

No, there are fools who _say_ there are plenty of ways to
know what the Earth was like 4.5 billion years ago. But
the validity of the so-called evidence is a matter of
speculation and it is incredibly flimsy and open to
many other interpretations.

Science is very good at making grand pronouncements about
what things were like a very long time ago, or will be
like a long time in the future.

That's because such things are not science at all, they
are fiction passed off as science.

Which is what the Theory of Evolution is.

Darwinism is a religion.

Yes, I know. You are going to call me 'stupid' and
'ignorant' for refusing to buy into your religion.

That's what all religious fanatics do. And they
believe their beliefs are facts, by definition.


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Sid

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Linda Lee...
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:25 am
 
On Sep 25, 2:49 pm, "zayton" <zay... at (no spam) newwavecomm.net> wrote:
Quote:


Sydney ...has been known to claim that
we create reality by our beliefs.



We don't create reality by our "beliefs" as in a 'belief system', but
we create, or believe we create, what we *perceive to be* reality by
our interaction with the cosmos.

*

"Strange Universe", by Bob Berman, Astronomy magazine, March 2010
(www.Astronomy.com/Berman):

<BEGIN QUOTE
"The list of celestial sure-bets that weren't there is endless.

It wasn't there. Gaining lessons and humility from astronomy's
illusions.
You know the old Hughes Mearns poem, "As I was going up the stair, I
met a man who wasn't there...".

Astronomers study objects we ASSUME are really there. But sometimes
they're not. A few months ago we mentioned rainbows, which stirred
some controversy. Are they THERE? Sort of. A rainbow is nothing but a
group of light rays converging on your eyes. It has no solidity. It
cannot cast a shadow.

But its colors are real, right? Well, colors are pulses of magnetism
and electricity. By themselves they have no visual properties. When
nobody's looking, neither Mars nor a rainbow has color. Rather we
animals respond to the invisible electromagnetic stimulation; our
retinas and brains conjure the experience of spectral colors. They're
not out there on their own.

Solids are the same. Our fingers perceive the push of electrical
repulsive forces when we touch a stone. We regard it as solid because
we can't penetrate the rock or see through it. But we never contact a
solid. Rather, we feel energy fields.

Telescopes transport us beyond our local illusions to reveal new,
larger ones. Is the sun really a yellow star out there, as textbooks
claim? Not at all. Astronauts report it's as white as snow. The lemony
color we ground-dwellers perceive is merely some of its blue light
scattered through our atmosphere to give us our blue sky. The
remaining dominant colors, green and red, combine into yellow – an
atmospheric artifact.

What about red giants? Are they red? Look at Betelgeuse. It's yellow-
orange. Nobody has ever observed a red giant star that is actually
red. And the low, enormous Moon: Is this “Moon illusion” caused by our
atmosphere enlarging it, as many believe? Nope. Appearances
notwithstanding, the Moon is measurably smaller when it's on the
horizon because it's then farthest from you.

Wow, there goes a meteor across the sky – except you never saw it.
Nobody can see something the size of an apple seed at a distance of 70
miles. What you really saw was the hot glowing air surrounding the
particle.

Look at the beautiful Orion Nebula (M43) using SLOOH, which is a live
public way to see the true colors of deep space. ([Bob Berman says]
Disclosure: I'm involved with that online observatory.) Because SLOOH
neither enhances nor fakes M42's colors, it's what astronauts would
see if they could travel the 1,500 light-years and stare it in the
face. Right? Not really.

A nebula that looks gray through a backyard telescope would appear the
same in person. Reason: As you approach the gas cloud, it spreads out
and diffuses so that the intensity per square degree barely budges.
Your retina continues to employ its low-light, black-and-white vision.
Galaxies will never show their magazine colors to visitors. So are the
colors there or not? Your call.

Astronomers have a long history of imagining all sorts of things that
weren't there. William Herschel, discoverer of Uranus, believed that
beneath the Sun's supposed luminous clouds lies a protective layer.
Below it, humanoid creatures frolic on the Sun's pastoral surface.

The brilliant Harlow Shapley spoke for many astronomers when he argued
in 1920 that external galaxies do not exist. All those spirals, he
insisted, are just small clouds nearby gas.

Strange Neptune motion made scientists search for a massive Planet X
for half a century. But Pluto, found later, wasn't it. Planet X was
imaginary. Neptune's seeming irregularities were a mistake.

In 340 B.C., Heraclides said that our planet spins. The idea was
dismissed for nearly 2,000 years. “If Earth rotated”, idiots argued,
“a person jumping up would land in a different spot.”

The list of celestial sure-bets that weren't there is endless.
Nineteenth-century astronomers declared nebulae to be made of an
unearthly substance called nebulium. Tne generations of scientists
insisted space is filled with ether. People envisioned Venus as a
comfortable place. And until just a dozen years ago, every astronomer
KNEW the universe's expansion was slowing down.

Nor is high IQ any armor against error. Aristotle called Earth the
center of the universe. Newton believed in alchemy. Kepler in
astrology. Einstein wrongly dismissed the spooky realities of particle
entanglement. Hawking said time could travel backward, and then
changed his mind as if to demonstrate the process.

As science grows at an awesome pace, some claim we'll soon find a
“Theory of Everything.” More likely, knowledge will advance in spurts
and detours. Error and illusion will continue to be part of human
experience. And our children will grow up to find that some of today's
sacred certainties have vanished like the ether.”
<END QUOTE>


Linda Lee's NOTE: “Today's sacred certainties” like the sacred
certainty of the Theory of Evolution.
 
Kenny McCormack...
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:29 pm
 
In article <MPG.27085d74e44a824e989a69 at (no spam) news.west.earthlink.net>,
W.T.S. <m14m at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
....
Quote:
Reality can't be created. Reality is what you stumble over if you walk
around with your eyes closed.

It's a Bush-ism. The concept that "we create our own reality" was a
central tenant of the Bush (Jr.) Admin.

--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false,
and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)
 
Terry Cross...
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:36 pm
 
On Sep 25, 6:27 pm, "W.T.S." <m... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Quote:
In article <Burno.2614$5W1.2... at (no spam) newsfe04.iad>, zay... at (no spam) newwavecomm.net
says...





W.T.S. wrote:
In article <slrni9s6pt.2rh.sidneyla... at (no spam) 3f8s2dcr5.net>,
sidneyla... at (no spam) somewhere.invalid says...
And, yet, today you can create the precursors of life in any
modern, well equipped laboratory from off the shelf material.

No. You can produce what some scientists _claim_ are the
supposed "precursors of life".

They are the precursors of life.  That's a fact.  Scientists the world
over have reached that conclusion independently, and repeated the
experiments many times to verify the results.  Scientists actually
study and test, they don't just sit around thinking about it.

Sydney (known in some groups as "the Sidiot") has been known to claim that
we create reality by our beliefs.

Reality can't be created.  Reality is what you stumble over if you walk
around with your eyes closed.


You have a right to believe that, but we recall that YOU are not
allowed to believe anything without proof, and you have no proof. You
have only your faith.

TCross
 
Sidney Lambe...
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:22 pm
 
On alt.religion.christian, Faith son Claude. <salvington at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:

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God creates by evolution tecnics for our part of creation. In the
Center of His Creation it is eternal, The Universal Father, The
Eternal Son and The Infinite Spirit, The Paradise and Havona: One
billions of perfect spheres all differents.
The seven Super Universes around the Center are evolotionar creation.
Urantia Book.

Claude.

That's interesting. I've always meant to read the Urantia Book.

Sounds like garbage, but interesting garbage.

Sid

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W.T.S....
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:27 pm
 
In article <Burno.2614$5W1.2197 at (no spam) newsfe04.iad>, zayton at (no spam) newwavecomm.net
says...
Quote:

W.T.S. wrote:
In article <slrni9s6pt.2rh.sidneylambe at (no spam) 3f8s2dcr5.net>,
sidneylambe at (no spam) somewhere.invalid says...
And, yet, today you can create the precursors of life in any
modern, well equipped laboratory from off the shelf material.

No. You can produce what some scientists _claim_ are the
supposed "precursors of life".

They are the precursors of life. That's a fact. Scientists the world
over have reached that conclusion independently, and repeated the
experiments many times to verify the results. Scientists actually
study and test, they don't just sit around thinking about it.

Sydney (known in some groups as "the Sidiot") has been known to claim that
we create reality by our beliefs.

Reality can't be created. Reality is what you stumble over if you walk
around with your eyes closed.
--
http://folding.stanford.edu
Save lives, visit today!
 
Dr. R. Knapp...
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:01 pm
 
On Sep 26, 2:15 am, "W.T.S." <m... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Quote:
In article <26e42378-3db2-400f-9e05-
c0c399266... at (no spam) q40g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com says...





On Sep 25, 6:27 pm, "W.T.S." <m... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
In article <Burno.2614$5W1.2... at (no spam) newsfe04.iad>, zay... at (no spam) newwavecomm.net
says...

W.T.S. wrote:
In article <slrni9s6pt.2rh.sidneyla... at (no spam) 3f8s2dcr5.net>,
sidneyla... at (no spam) somewhere.invalid says...
And, yet, today you can create the precursors of life in any
modern, well equipped laboratory from off the shelf material.

No. You can produce what some scientists _claim_ are the
supposed "precursors of life".

They are the precursors of life.  That's a fact.  Scientists the world
over have reached that conclusion independently, and repeated the
experiments many times to verify the results.  Scientists actually
study and test, they don't just sit around thinking about it.

Sydney (known in some groups as "the Sidiot") has been known to claim that
we create reality by our beliefs.

Reality can't be created.  Reality is what you stumble over if you walk
around with your eyes closed.

You have a right to believe that, but we recall that YOU are not
allowed to believe anything without proof, and you have no proof.  You
have only your faith.

TCross

Ok, walk around with your eyes closed for awhile.
P.S.  There's more than enough proof for evolution, and zero proof for
creationism.

Oh I was thinking you were telling the evolution guy to walk around
with their eyes closed then that is all they been doing anyway. As
zero proof for creationism, sure could be, since they sure have lots
more proof then your zero, then any evolution has. More like 99.9
proof for Creationism then no real factual proof the Evolution than it
has not truth, so why am I wasting my time telling you that, you may
think you a Ape, or a fish or some one cell bug in the water that just
so happen to be created so your fish and such could be created.

Was fun talking to you, and this silly evolution stuff.
 
ThomM...
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:58 am
 
On Sep 26, 9:13 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote:
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 02:15:03 -0500, "W.T.S." <m... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
You have a right to believe that, but we recall that YOU are not
allowed to believe anything without proof, and you have no proof.  You
have only your faith.
TCross
Ok, walk around with your eyes closed for awhile.
P.S.  There's more than enough proof for evolution, and zero proof for
creationism.

Actually, there is no proof of evolution.  It's never been witnessed.





WRONG AGAIN - Duke - LOTS Of the EVOLUTION theories can be observed

AS usual - theists like YOU fail to understand that EVOLUTION Is a
GROUP of theories - not a single one - and MANY of them have already
been proven to be true - some were proven LONG ago.


Natural selection - the so called survival of the fittest - is ONE
evolutionary theory that has been established to be factual.Natural
selection is the PROVEN process that states that life with traits that
are able to withstand the conditions they live in are more likely to
survive than animals without those traits. This has been PROVEN for
centuries. WINE growers use grafts of plants that are naturally
resistant to disease - because those that are not resistant get
diseased and die off. The FACT that is it true cannot be in question -
the christian church suppliers use the process in producing wine. THe
SAME exists for ELM trees - and Dutch Elm disease - and MANY other
plants and is easily observable.

Darwin ALSO postulated that there had to be a mechanism where parents
passed their traits ONTO their offspring - and that some traits were
more likely to be passed on than others. The discovery of DNA and the
genome PROVED that to be the case and established some traits to be
dominant and some to be recessive.


However - it is creation that has NOT BEEN observed ever
THat is because no being capable of doing it has been observed as
well.

So -by YOUR OWN mechanism we can dismiss creation

However - since creation was NOT needed - the universe has always
existed - since Energy has always existed - it is a moot point. Just
as the laughable claim that the earth was created BEFORE the sun -
about 6000 years ago according to the timeline of the bible as
established BY THE RELIGION - when we ALREADY KNOW that the earth is
BILLIONS of years old - claiming to create something that already
existed is inherently a joke!
 
duke...
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:13 am
 
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 02:15:03 -0500, "W.T.S." <m14m at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
You have a right to believe that, but we recall that YOU are not
allowed to believe anything without proof, and you have no proof. You
have only your faith.
TCross

Ok, walk around with your eyes closed for awhile.
P.S. There's more than enough proof for evolution, and zero proof for
creationism.

Actually, there is no proof of evolution. It's never been witnessed.

And the big bang creation is of the universe is as close to confirmed as
you can get. Not so evolution.
 
W.T.S....
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:25 am
 
In article <52fc2bdd-9526-493a-8de4-bbc7fbf390e2
at (no spam) k1g2000prl.googlegroups.com>, rwknapp at (no spam) aim.com says...
Quote:

On Sep 26, 2:15 am, "W.T.S." <m... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
In article <26e42378-3db2-400f-9e05-
c0c399266... at (no spam) q40g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com says...

On Sep 25, 6:27 pm, "W.T.S." <m... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
In article <Burno.2614$5W1.2... at (no spam) newsfe04.iad>, zay... at (no spam) newwavecomm.net
says...

W.T.S. wrote:
In article <slrni9s6pt.2rh.sidneyla... at (no spam) 3f8s2dcr5.net>,
sidneyla... at (no spam) somewhere.invalid says...
And, yet, today you can create the precursors of life in any
modern, well equipped laboratory from off the shelf material.

No. You can produce what some scientists _claim_ are the
supposed "precursors of life".

They are the precursors of life.  That's a fact.  Scientists the world
over have reached that conclusion independently, and repeated the
experiments many times to verify the results.  Scientists actually
study and test, they don't just sit around thinking about it.

Sydney (known in some groups as "the Sidiot") has been known to claim that
we create reality by our beliefs.

Reality can't be created.  Reality is what you stumble over if you walk
around with your eyes closed.

You have a right to believe that, but we recall that YOU are not
allowed to believe anything without proof, and you have no proof.  You
have only your faith.

TCross

Ok, walk around with your eyes closed for awhile.
P.S.  There's more than enough proof for evolution, and zero proof for
creationism.

Oh I was thinking you were telling the evolution guy to walk around
with their eyes closed then that is all they been doing anyway. As
zero proof for creationism, sure could be, since they sure have lots
more proof then your zero, then any evolution has. More like 99.9
proof for Creationism then no real factual proof the Evolution than it
has not truth, so why am I wasting my time telling you that, you may
think you a Ape, or a fish or some one cell bug in the water that just
so happen to be created so your fish and such could be created.

Was fun talking to you, and this silly evolution stuff.

Evolution is truth and purity. Creationism is lies and deceit.
--
http://folding.stanford.edu
Save lives, visit today!
 
W.T.S....
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:34 am
 
In article <rkhu96t0h8raqa5url4fuv7e5impdvd1j5 at (no spam) 4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
at (no spam) cox.net says...
Quote:

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 02:15:03 -0500, "W.T.S." <m14m at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:

You have a right to believe that, but we recall that YOU are not
allowed to believe anything without proof, and you have no proof. You
have only your faith.
TCross

Ok, walk around with your eyes closed for awhile.
P.S. There's more than enough proof for evolution, and zero proof for
creationism.

Actually, there is no proof of evolution. It's never been witnessed.

You witness evolution every time you pass a cow pasture, or go to a dog

show. Almost every breed of cow was created by humans from selective
breeding of previous species. Same for dogs, selective breeding for
traits works. Man plays the role of Mother Nature. It happens in
hospitals when new germs resistant to antibiotics evolve from previous
strains. The principles are simple, and easily used. Change a weather
pattern, the animals best suited for the new weather survive and pass on
the traits. Evolution works for, and against, us everyday.
Quote:

And the big bang creation is of the universe is as close to confirmed as
you can get. Not so evolution.

Evolution has been confirmed thousands of times. It's a fact.
--
http://folding.stanford.edu
Save lives, visit today!
 
Terry Cross...
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:03 pm
 
On Sep 26, 12:15 am, "W.T.S." <m... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Quote:
In article <26e42378-3db2-400f-9e05-
c0c399266... at (no spam) q40g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com says...



On Sep 25, 6:27 pm, "W.T.S." <m... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
In article <Burno.2614$5W1.2... at (no spam) newsfe04.iad>, zay... at (no spam) newwavecomm.net
says...

W.T.S. wrote:
In article <slrni9s6pt.2rh.sidneyla... at (no spam) 3f8s2dcr5.net>,
sidneyla... at (no spam) somewhere.invalid says...
And, yet, today you can create the precursors of life in any
modern, well equipped laboratory from off the shelf material.

No. You can produce what some scientists _claim_ are the
supposed "precursors of life".

They are the precursors of life.  That's a fact.  Scientists the world
over have reached that conclusion independently, and repeated the
experiments many times to verify the results.  Scientists actually
study and test, they don't just sit around thinking about it.

Sydney (known in some groups as "the Sidiot") has been known to claim that
we create reality by our beliefs.

Reality can't be created.  Reality is what you stumble over if you walk
around with your eyes closed.

You have a right to believe that, but we recall that YOU are not
allowed to believe anything without proof, and you have no proof.  You
have only your faith.

TCross

Ok, walk around with your eyes closed for awhile.
P.S.  There's more than enough proof for evolution, and zero proof for
creationism.
Evolution, truth.  Creationism, lie.


Long live the false alternatives -- that is all that keeps Evolution
alive.

TCross
 
Terry Cross...
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:15 pm
 
On Sep 26, 5:33 pm, Sidney Lambe <sidneyla... at (no spam) somewhere.invalid>
wrote:
Quote:
On alt.religion.christian, Terry Cross <tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 26, 12:15=A0am, "W.T.S." <m... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[delete]
Ok, walk around with your eyes closed for awhile.
P.S. There's more than enough proof for evolution, and zero proof for
creationism.
Evolution, truth. Creationism, lie.

Long live the false alternatives -- that is all that keeps Evolution
alive.

TCross

The "proof" (a non-scientific concept) for the Theory of
Evolution is "proof" only to true believers. To those of us who
examine the evidence with an open mind, it is flimsy in the
extreme and open to other interpretations. One has to accept many
assumptions on blind faith in order to believe the Theory of
Evolution.

For example: That the world was once devoid of biological life
other than microbes.

And that the apparent laws of nature have always been what they
appear to be now.

That something called "chance/randomness/chaos/accident" exists.

Note that I am not a "Creationist". It _is_ a lot closer to the
Truth than the ToE, though.

The road to Truth is to dismiss every concept about the nature of
reality that you can't verify with your own experience.

Of course, the priests of the Bible and of Darwinism want us to
believe that we have no capacity to directly apprehend the nature
of reality. They have to. Because if we do, then they are out of
a job.

That is the basic scam of all priesthood -- since truth is the most
valuable thing in the universe, the priest gets a monopoly and sets up
shop selling truth to the masses. Such a deal.

You might know Evolution is a scam simply by the aggression of the
proponents -- burning books, monopolizing education, and frothing at
the mouth in the presence of any other ideas. Such is Priestly
Business Rule #1: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

TCross
 
 
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