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| OBVES at (no spam) aol.com... |
 Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:22 am |
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True religion must have the Sabbath doctrine in it . Most world
religions can be refuted using this one simple doctrine. If proven
right, the religion or any views of more than 6 billion people are
futile,false.
So ,we take into account now three dissenting views on Sabbath.
-Sabbath is on Saturday,
-Sabbath is on Sunday,
-Sabbath is each and every day of a week.
The Adventists are known to hold on to the Saturday as the Sabbath
day.
Most Christian religions hold Sunday as the Sabbath . Harold Camping
who publishes the year 2011 AD as the year of the end of the world
defends Sunday as the Sabbath day.
Then the third view is published by me Obves with my prediction for
2011 AD as the end of the evil world order. Jehovah's Witnesses are
close in their view on Sabbath to mine view and there might be some
other people who are of similar view as I am.
Sabbath is a moral law in nature as it was among 10 commandments .
All other 9 commandments were moral so why the 4th would be
different !
So ,we must transform the ceremonial Sabbath into the moral law.
We must obey 10 commandments every day so the Sabbath must be kept
every day like any other law in 10 commandments.
To make it reality we must recognize that true worshippers of God
Yahweh are under his 7th day which lasts thousands of years.We are
living in the 7th day of God's timeline .That is why as true
christians we keep the Sabbath each and every day of a week at the
same time it is keeping the Sabbath under the 7th day - God's 7th day.
Those who claim that Sabbath is only on Saturday or Sunday rebel
against God's law and are in false religion.
Jesus Christ showed us what the true Sabbath was.
Matthew 11.28:
Come to me ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you
rest .
Since Jesus spoke in parables ,metaphors-Matthew 13.11,34-35.
We must see spiritual truths behind his teachings.
Come unto me ye that sin and are heavy laden with sins and I will give
you rest .. the True Sabbath which is a rest from sins.
It is done by God's power alone through our true faith in Jesus -
God's Son so the salvation of our souls is completely done by God ,not
of ourselves ,that we could could not boast.
Camping -my fiercest competitor - speaks about our salvation are a
complete work of God and yet he sticks to the Sunday as the Sabbath
day ! Unknowingly he denies God is our complete Saviour ! |
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| OBVES at (no spam) aol.com... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:19 pm |
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On Nov 6, 6:06�pm, gabriel <gabriel_bapt... at (no spam) hotmail.com>
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There is no contradiction whatsoever .
The Israelites were just one day away from the Sabbath day at that
time .They were to observe Sabbath on coming 7th day ( Saturday ).God
was speaknig at that specific time precisely and it was the Old
Testament era in which literal 7th day of a week was to be observed as
Sabbath day.
Now we are in the New Testament era and thde New Sabbath comes into
view and Matthew 11.28 is a clue.
By God's power a true christian is led out from " Egypt " typified
slavery in sin.
So by God's power I am sinless now because of faith in Jesus.Sins are
no more imputed to me. At the moment I sin that sin is blot out .
The 7th day in our case is we belong to God and we are under his 7th
day that lasts more than 7000 years.
That day began after Adam was created and it was when Jesus was living
on our planet about 2000 years ago and it is still now existing.
That is God's day that is why it is so long while frist Sabbath was
based on man's efforts so the time man used was applicable : 24-hour
day Sabbath that was on literal 7th day of l man's literal week. |
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| gabriel... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:06 pm |
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:22:01 -0800 (PST), "OBVES at (no spam) aol.com"
<OBVES at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
: True religion must have the Sabbath doctrine in it . Most world
: religions can be refuted using this one simple doctrine. If proven
: right, the religion or any views of more than 6 billion people are
: futile,false.
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: So ,we take into account now three dissenting views on Sabbath.
: -Sabbath is on Saturday,
: -Sabbath is on Sunday,
: -Sabbath is each and every day of a week.
: The Adventists are known to hold on to the Saturday as the Sabbath
: day.
: Most Christian religions hold Sunday as the Sabbath . Harold Camping
: who publishes the year 2011 AD as the year of the end of the world
: defends Sunday as the Sabbath day.
: Then the third view is published by me Obves with my prediction for
: 2011 AD as the end of the evil world order. Jehovah's Witnesses are
: close in their view on Sabbath to mine view and there might be some
: other people who are of similar view as I am.
:
: Sabbath is a moral law in nature as it was among 10 commandments .
: All other 9 commandments were moral so why the 4th would be
: different !
: So ,we must transform the ceremonial Sabbath into the moral law.
: We must obey 10 commandments every day so the Sabbath must be kept
: every day like any other law in 10 commandments.
: To make it reality we must recognize that true worshippers of God
: Yahweh are under his 7th day which lasts thousands of years.We are
: living in the 7th day of God's timeline .That is why as true
: christians we keep the Sabbath each and every day of a week at the
: same time it is keeping the Sabbath under the 7th day - God's 7th day.
:
: Those who claim that Sabbath is only on Saturday or Sunday rebel
: against God's law and are in false religion.
:
: Jesus Christ showed us what the true Sabbath was.
: Matthew 11.28:
: Come to me ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you
: rest .
:
: Since Jesus spoke in parables ,metaphors-Matthew 13.11,34-35.
: We must see spiritual truths behind his teachings.
: Come unto me ye that sin and are heavy laden with sins and I will give
: you rest .. the True Sabbath which is a rest from sins.
: It is done by God's power alone through our true faith in Jesus -
: God's Son so the salvation of our souls is completely done by God ,not
: of ourselves ,that we could could not boast.
: Camping -my fiercest competitor - speaks about our salvation are a
: complete work of God and yet he sticks to the Sunday as the Sabbath
: day ! Unknowingly he denies God is our complete Saviour !
I think you've taken it too far that you "keep the commandments
every day" when applied to keeping the day of the Sabbath:
Exodus 16:23 KJV
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said,
Tomorrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that
which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and
that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the
morning.
But according to what you're claiming, The LORD couldn't have
said that tomorrow is the rest of the holy sabbath, but instead
today, tomorrow, and every day, is the rest of the holy sabbath.
How do you reconcile your claim with even this one verse
contradicting it? |
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| Florence B. Nitengail... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:53 am |
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"gabriel" <gabriel_baptist at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
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But it seems clear you will not address any of this, but delete
it all as usual and just say "every day is the sabbath" -
unfortunatley, dozens of verses clearly say otherwise. I suggest
you stop teaching what is clearly contradictary to what the Bible
actually says. You seem to know it, proving you know it because
you continue to avoid all the verses that say otherwise. =(
You're wasting your time trying to reason with OBVES. He's already claimed
he was chose by God as the only man on earth who can interpret the bible and
what it means. He's also admitted he never read the bible. He has a really
unhealthy attachment to this Camping con-man on the radio. |
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| Elijahovah... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:43 am |
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Quote: You're wasting your time trying to reason with OBVES. He's already claimed
he was chose by God as the only man on earth who can interpret the bible and
what it means. He's also admitted he never read the bible. He has a really
unhealthy attachment to this Camping con-man on the radio.
Oh shucks, I thought that was ME.
Have you ever thought maybe the guy is retarded, and you pick on him
way too much, if he is. |
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| Elijahovah... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:49 am |
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The day sabbath was to prevent people in debt from being killed by
over work. The year sabbath was to prevent mineral depletion since
crop rotation of clover replenish wasnt known. Quit calling anything
dirty that has been cleaned. But do recognize things dirty that have
not been cleansed, because man going to heaven is not the solution to
human life as if what God created is not good but corrupt. Those taken
to heaven need not worry about corrupt flesh because they drop it
behind them at death; but their purpose in heaven is to help humans
get over and past and above the corruption they create in the flesh
that need not exist in perfect flesh as God created it. Perfect is an
anti-biotic system that keeps you well, or heals your sickness quick.
Corrupt is the person who thinks the anti-biotic system created by God
is never used or you never get sick if perfect. Perfect is the body
who gets sick and then heals. There is no wrong in mistakes that get
corrected, there is wrong in mistakes uncorrected which then lead to
death.
OBVES is a big mistake needing correcting or he will die. There is no
reason to pick on him. You should tell others how OBVES is wrong, not
tell OBVES how he is wrong.
ELIJAH |
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| Florence B. Nitengail... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:01 pm |
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"Elijahovah" <rschiller at (no spam) wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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Quote: You're wasting your time trying to reason with OBVES. He's already claimed
he was chose by God as the only man on earth who can interpret the bible
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what it means. He's also admitted he never read the bible. He has a really
unhealthy attachment to this Camping con-man on the radio.
Oh shucks, I thought that was ME.
Have you ever thought maybe the guy is retarded, and you pick on him
way too much, if he is.
_ _ _ _
He's not retarded. He's going insane if he's not there already. There's
quite a difference. |
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| OBVES at (no spam) aol.com... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:50 pm |
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On Nov 7, 11:51�am, gabriel <gabriel_bapt... at (no spam) hotmail.com>
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Not only that you don't understand what real Sabbath us in the
Bible ,you don't understand my explanations of the Bible on Sabbath. |
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| Jeff... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:11 pm |
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<OBVES at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 7, 11:51?am, gabriel <gabriel_bapt... at (no spam) hotmail.com>
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Not only that you don't understand what real Sabbath us in the
Bible ,you don't understand my explanations of the Bible on Sabbath.
Why do you think your explanations of the Sabbath determine which religion
is the truth? I don't think god is working thru any one person today. Jesus
said by THEIR fruits you will know THEM. Not YOU, but THEM. |
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| OBVES at (no spam) aol.com... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:44 pm |
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On Nov 10, 11:11�pm, "Jeff" <jeff954... at (no spam) aol.com>
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Sabbath the way I understood from the Bible shows us that our
salvation is completely in hands of God .
By God's power we become holy each day of a week only.God is working
out our salvation while we are resting spiritually.
By God's power true worshippers are being freed from sins each and
every day so they are holy and the days they are as such are holy
days.
Sabbath was a holy day. |
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| OBVES at (no spam) aol.com... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:55 pm |
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On Nov 13, 6:01�pm, "Parish *~" <Par... at (no spam) invalid.invalid>
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He's got some good points that make him special and I can learn from
him some things . |
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| Parish *~... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:01 pm |
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<OBVES at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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The view on Sunday as Sabbath is known to me from Open Forum whose
host is Harold Camping from the Family Radio Stations he best explains
the Sunday as Sabbath and he is dead wrong .
If he's dead wrong, and everyone knows he's a scam artist... why do you
listen to his show? |
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| Parish *~... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:26 pm |
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<OBVES at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 13, 6:01�pm, "Parish *~" <Par... at (no spam) invalid.invalid>
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He's got some good points that make him special and I can learn from
him some things .
What points make him special? His same obsession with doomsday you have?
What else? |
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