Dejection fills ballroom after gay marriage vote
By JOHN CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

PORTLAND, Maine - Cecelia Burnett and Ann Swanson had already set their
wedding date. When they joined about 1,000 other gay marriage supporters for
an election night party in a Holiday Inn ballroom, they hoped to celebrate
the vote that would make it possible.

Instead, they went home at midnight, dejected and near tears after a failed
bid to make Maine the first state to approve same-sex marriage at the ballot
box.

"I'm ready to start crying," said Burnett, a 58-year-old massage therapist,
walking out of the ballroom with Swanson at her side. "I don't understand
what the fear is, why people are so afraid of this change.

"It hurts. It hurts personally," she said. "It's a personal rejection of us
and our relationship, and I don't understand what the fear is."

With 87 percent of precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of
the vote in a referendum that asked Maine voters whether they wanted to
repeal a law allowing same-sex marriage that had passed the Legislature and
was signed by Democratic Gov. John Baldacci.

"The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across the
nation," said Frank Schubert, the chief organizer for Stand for Marriage
Maine, which lobbied for the repeal.

For the gay rights movement, which has gained a foothold in New England, it
was a stinging defeat. Gay marriage has now lost in every state - 31 in
all - in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had
hoped to buck that trend in Maine, framing same-sex marriage as a matter of
equality for all families in a campaign that used 8,000 volunteers to get
out the message.

Five states have legalized gay marriage - Iowa, Massachusetts, Vermont, New
Hampshire and Connecticut - but all did so through legislation or court
rulings, not by popular vote.

Portland resident Sarah Holman said she was torn, but decided - despite her
conservative upbringing - to vote in favor of letting gays marry.

"They love and they have the right to love. And we can't tell somebody how
to love," said Holman, 26.

While the gay marriage opponents claimed victory, Jesse Connolly, campaign
manager for No on 1/Protect Maine Equality, held off conceding until early
Wednesday, when he issued a statement vowing to continue to press the issue.

The fight for marriage equality will continue, he told supporters at the
Holiday Inn ballroom, where a buffet table included a three-tiered wedding
cake - with two grooms standing side by side, two brides standing side by
side and the inscription: "We all do!"

"We're not short-timers. We're here for the long haul and whether it's just
all night and into the morning, or it's next week or next month or next
year. We will be here. We'll be here fighting. We'll be working. We will
regroup."

For Burnett and Swanson, the July 10 wedding date - and a reception cruise
on Casco Bay - is off.

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Dejection fills ballroom after gay marriage vote
By JOHN CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

PORTLAND, Maine - Cecelia Burnett and Ann Swanson had already set their
wedding date. When they joined about 1,000 other gay marriage supporters
for
an election night party in a Holiday Inn ballroom, they hoped to celebrate
the vote that would make it possible.

Instead, they went home at midnight, dejected and near tears after a
failed
bid to make Maine the first state to approve same-sex marriage at the
ballot
box.

"I'm ready to start crying," said Burnett, a 58-year-old massage
therapist,
walking out of the ballroom with Swanson at her side. "I don't understand
what the fear is, why people are so afraid of this change.

"It hurts. It hurts personally," she said. "It's a personal rejection of
us
and our relationship, and I don't understand what the fear is."

With 87 percent of precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent
of
the vote in a referendum that asked Maine voters whether they wanted to
repeal a law allowing same-sex marriage that had passed the Legislature
and
was signed by Democratic Gov. John Baldacci.

"The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across the
nation," said Frank Schubert, the chief organizer for Stand for Marriage
Maine, which lobbied for the repeal.

For the gay rights movement, which has gained a foothold in New England,
it
was a stinging defeat. Gay marriage has now lost in every state - 31 in
all - in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had
hoped to buck that trend in Maine, framing same-sex marriage as a matter
of
equality for all families in a campaign that used 8,000 volunteers to get
out the message.

Five states have legalized gay marriage - Iowa, Massachusetts, Vermont,
New
Hampshire and Connecticut - but all did so through legislation or court
rulings, not by popular vote.

Portland resident Sarah Holman said she was torn, but decided - despite
her
conservative upbringing - to vote in favor of letting gays marry.

"They love and they have the right to love. And we can't tell somebody how
to love," said Holman, 26.

While the gay marriage opponents claimed victory, Jesse Connolly, campaign
manager for No on 1/Protect Maine Equality, held off conceding until early
Wednesday, when he issued a statement vowing to continue to press the
issue.

The fight for marriage equality will continue, he told supporters at the
Holiday Inn ballroom, where a buffet table included a three-tiered wedding
cake - with two grooms standing side by side, two brides standing side by
side and the inscription: "We all do!"

"We're not short-timers. We're here for the long haul and whether it's
just
all night and into the morning, or it's next week or next month or next
year. We will be here. We'll be here fighting. We'll be working. We will
regroup."

For Burnett and Swanson, the July 10 wedding date - and a reception cruise
on Casco Bay - is off.

So, I guess separation of church and state is for keeping the state
out of the church's business and not the other way around.  got it.

***I don't think this has anything to do with the grossly misinterpreted and
misapplied separation of church and state thing. But for an Orthodox
Christian like yourself, the vote in Maine should be looked at as a vote for
sanctity as well as sanity. But, I understand that some Orthodox Christians
deny what God intended when He created the penis and the vagina.

Al

Dejection fills ballroom after gay marriage vote
By JOHN CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

PORTLAND, Maine - Cecelia Burnett and Ann Swanson had already set their
wedding date. When they joined about 1,000 other gay marriage supporters
for
an election night party in a Holiday Inn ballroom, they hoped to celebrate
the vote that would make it possible.

Instead, they went home at midnight, dejected and near tears after a
failed
bid to make Maine the first state to approve same-sex marriage at the
ballot
box.

"I'm ready to start crying," said Burnett, a 58-year-old massage
therapist,
walking out of the ballroom with Swanson at her side. "I don't understand
what the fear is, why people are so afraid of this change.

"It hurts. It hurts personally," she said. "It's a personal rejection of
us
and our relationship, and I don't understand what the fear is."

With 87 percent of precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent
of
the vote in a referendum that asked Maine voters whether they wanted to
repeal a law allowing same-sex marriage that had passed the Legislature
and
was signed by Democratic Gov. John Baldacci.

"The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across the
nation," said Frank Schubert, the chief organizer for Stand for Marriage
Maine, which lobbied for the repeal.

For the gay rights movement, which has gained a foothold in New England,
it
was a stinging defeat. Gay marriage has now lost in every state - 31 in
all - in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had
hoped to buck that trend in Maine, framing same-sex marriage as a matter
of
equality for all families in a campaign that used 8,000 volunteers to get
out the message.

Five states have legalized gay marriage - Iowa, Massachusetts, Vermont,
New
Hampshire and Connecticut - but all did so through legislation or court
rulings, not by popular vote.

Portland resident Sarah Holman said she was torn, but decided - despite
her
conservative upbringing - to vote in favor of letting gays marry.

"They love and they have the right to love. And we can't tell somebody how
to love," said Holman, 26.

While the gay marriage opponents claimed victory, Jesse Connolly, campaign
manager for No on 1/Protect Maine Equality, held off conceding until early
Wednesday, when he issued a statement vowing to continue to press the
issue.

The fight for marriage equality will continue, he told supporters at the
Holiday Inn ballroom, where a buffet table included a three-tiered wedding
cake - with two grooms standing side by side, two brides standing side by
side and the inscription: "We all do!"

"We're not short-timers. We're here for the long haul and whether it's
just
all night and into the morning, or it's next week or next month or next
year. We will be here. We'll be here fighting. We'll be working. We will
regroup."

For Burnett and Swanson, the July 10 wedding date - and a reception cruise
on Casco Bay - is off.

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Dejection fills ballroom after gay marriage vote
By JOHN CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

PORTLAND, Maine - Cecelia Burnett and Ann Swanson had already set their
wedding date. When they joined about 1,000 other gay marriage supporters
for
an election night party in a Holiday Inn ballroom, they hoped to
celebrate
the vote that would make it possible.

Instead, they went home at midnight, dejected and near tears after a
failed
bid to make Maine the first state to approve same-sex marriage at the
ballot
box.

"I'm ready to start crying," said Burnett, a 58-year-old massage
therapist,
walking out of the ballroom with Swanson at her side. "I don't
understand
what the fear is, why people are so afraid of this change.

"It hurts. It hurts personally," she said. "It's a personal rejection of
us
and our relationship, and I don't understand what the fear is."

With 87 percent of precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent
of
the vote in a referendum that asked Maine voters whether they wanted to
repeal a law allowing same-sex marriage that had passed the Legislature
and
was signed by Democratic Gov. John Baldacci.

"The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across the
nation," said Frank Schubert, the chief organizer for Stand for Marriage
Maine, which lobbied for the repeal.

For the gay rights movement, which has gained a foothold in New England,
it
was a stinging defeat. Gay marriage has now lost in every state - 31 in
all - in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists
had
hoped to buck that trend in Maine, framing same-sex marriage as a matter
of
equality for all families in a campaign that used 8,000 volunteers to
get
out the message.

Five states have legalized gay marriage - Iowa, Massachusetts, Vermont,
New
Hampshire and Connecticut - but all did so through legislation or court
rulings, not by popular vote.

Portland resident Sarah Holman said she was torn, but decided - despite
her
conservative upbringing - to vote in favor of letting gays marry.

"They love and they have the right to love. And we can't tell somebody
how
to love," said Holman, 26.

While the gay marriage opponents claimed victory, Jesse Connolly,
campaign
manager for No on 1/Protect Maine Equality, held off conceding until
early
Wednesday, when he issued a statement vowing to continue to press the
issue.

The fight for marriage equality will continue, he told supporters at the
Holiday Inn ballroom, where a buffet table included a three-tiered
wedding
cake - with two grooms standing side by side, two brides standing side
by
side and the inscription: "We all do!"

"We're not short-timers. We're here for the long haul and whether it's
just
all night and into the morning, or it's next week or next month or next
year. We will be here. We'll be here fighting. We'll be working. We will
regroup."

For Burnett and Swanson, the July 10 wedding date - and a reception
cruise
on Casco Bay - is off.

So, I guess separation of church and state is for keeping the state
out of the church's business and not the other way around. got it.

***I don't think this has anything to do with the grossly misinterpreted
and
misapplied separation of church and state thing. But for an Orthodox
Christian like yourself, the vote in Maine should be looked at as a vote
for
sanctity as well as sanity. But, I understand that some Orthodox
Christians
deny what God intended when He created the penis and the vagina.

Al

I render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's, as per
our Lord's instructions.  Sorry you feel the need to disobey yet
another one of His commands.

***The Orthodox teaches that gay sex/gay marriage is a sin. Obeying the
Church is obeying Christ...the Church is Christ's Body on earth. The
"render" excuse you post does not refer to gay sex/marriage. Try asking your
priest about it.

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Dejection fills ballroom after gay marriage vote
By JOHN CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

PORTLAND, Maine - Cecelia Burnett and Ann Swanson had already set
their
wedding date. When they joined about 1,000 other gay marriage
supporters
for
an election night party in a Holiday Inn ballroom, they hoped to
celebrate
the vote that would make it possible.

Instead, they went home at midnight, dejected and near tears after a
failed
bid to make Maine the first state to approve same-sex marriage at the
ballot
box.

"I'm ready to start crying," said Burnett, a 58-year-old massage
therapist,
walking out of the ballroom with Swanson at her side. "I don't
understand
what the fear is, why people are so afraid of this change.

"It hurts. It hurts personally," she said. "It's a personal rejection
of
us
and our relationship, and I don't understand what the fear is."

With 87 percent of precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53
percent
of
the vote in a referendum that asked Maine voters whether they wanted
to
repeal a law allowing same-sex marriage that had passed the
Legislature
and
was signed by Democratic Gov. John Baldacci.

"The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across
the
nation," said Frank Schubert, the chief organizer for Stand for
Marriage
Maine, which lobbied for the repeal.

For the gay rights movement, which has gained a foothold in New
England,
it
was a stinging defeat. Gay marriage has now lost in every state - 31
in
all - in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists
had
hoped to buck that trend in Maine, framing same-sex marriage as a
matter
of
equality for all families in a campaign that used 8,000 volunteers to
get
out the message.

Five states have legalized gay marriage - Iowa, Massachusetts,
Vermont,
New
Hampshire and Connecticut - but all did so through legislation or
court
rulings, not by popular vote.

Portland resident Sarah Holman said she was torn, but decided -
despite
her
conservative upbringing - to vote in favor of letting gays marry.

"They love and they have the right to love. And we can't tell somebody
how
to love," said Holman, 26.

While the gay marriage opponents claimed victory, Jesse Connolly,
campaign
manager for No on 1/Protect Maine Equality, held off conceding until
early
Wednesday, when he issued a statement vowing to continue to press the
issue.

The fight for marriage equality will continue, he told supporters at
the
Holiday Inn ballroom, where a buffet table included a three-tiered
wedding
cake - with two grooms standing side by side, two brides standing side
by
side and the inscription: "We all do!"

"We're not short-timers. We're here for the long haul and whether it's
just
all night and into the morning, or it's next week or next month or
next
year. We will be here. We'll be here fighting. We'll be working. We
will
regroup."

For Burnett and Swanson, the July 10 wedding date - and a reception
cruise
on Casco Bay - is off.

So, I guess separation of church and state is for keeping the state
out of the church's business and not the other way around. got it.

***I don't think this has anything to do with the grossly misinterpreted
and
misapplied separation of church and state thing. But for an Orthodox
Christian like yourself, the vote in Maine should be looked at as a vote
for
sanctity as well as sanity. But, I understand that some Orthodox
Christians
deny what God intended when He created the penis and the vagina.

Al

I render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's, as per
our Lord's instructions. Sorry you feel the need to disobey yet
another one of His commands.

***The Orthodox teaches that gay sex/gay marriage is a sin. Obeying the
Church is obeying Christ...the Church is Christ's Body on earth. The
"render" excuse you post does not refer to gay sex/marriage. Try asking
your
priest about it.

The OC teaches there is *no such thing* as gay "marriage" (in the true
sense of the word).  The contractual agreement between two parties
overseen by the government is not an issue for church doctrine and
what's more is none of the church's business.  Never has been.  If the
government allows me to marry my 2nd cousin, and I do so only in order
to allow them to inherit my estate after my death (even though no
sexual activity goes on), is that a sin?  Is it the Church's
obligation to fight govt sanctioning marriage between 2nd cousins?  or
"godsiblings"?  Get your head out of your bigotted ass and stick to
Church issues and let the government carry on with their work.

***You gay people have an unusual and incorrect interpretation of Church
teaching. Sad.

***If my head is up my bigoted ass, it's because of the Church. Holy
Scripture backs Church teaching. Deal with it.

***You live in a gay marriage state. Taking advantage of it?

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On Nov 4, 10:10 am, "OrthoNews" <OrthoN... at (no spam) orthodox.net> wrote:

Dejection fills ballroom after gay marriage vote
By JOHN CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

PORTLAND, Maine - Cecelia Burnett and Ann Swanson had already set
their
wedding date. When they joined about 1,000 other gay marriage
supporters
for
an election night party in a Holiday Inn ballroom, they hoped to
celebrate
the vote that would make it possible.

Instead, they went home at midnight, dejected and near tears after a
failed
bid to make Maine the first state to approve same-sex marriage at the
ballot
box.

"I'm ready to start crying," said Burnett, a 58-year-old massage
therapist,
walking out of the ballroom with Swanson at her side. "I don't
understand
what the fear is, why people are so afraid of this change.

"It hurts. It hurts personally," she said. "It's a personal rejection
of
us
and our relationship, and I don't understand what the fear is."

With 87 percent of precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53
percent
of
the vote in a referendum that asked Maine voters whether they wanted
to
repeal a law allowing same-sex marriage that had passed the
Legislature
and
was signed by Democratic Gov. John Baldacci.

"The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across
the
nation," said Frank Schubert, the chief organizer for Stand for
Marriage
Maine, which lobbied for the repeal.

For the gay rights movement, which has gained a foothold in New
England,
it
was a stinging defeat. Gay marriage has now lost in every state - 31
in
all - in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists
had
hoped to buck that trend in Maine, framing same-sex marriage as a
matter
of
equality for all families in a campaign that used 8,000 volunteers to
get
out the message.

Five states have legalized gay marriage - Iowa, Massachusetts,
Vermont,
New
Hampshire and Connecticut - but all did so through legislation or
court
rulings, not by popular vote.

Portland resident Sarah Holman said she was torn, but decided -
despite
her
conservative upbringing - to vote in favor of letting gays marry.

"They love and they have the right to love. And we can't tell somebody
how
to love," said Holman, 26.

While the gay marriage opponents claimed victory, Jesse Connolly,
campaign
manager for No on 1/Protect Maine Equality, held off conceding until
early
Wednesday, when he issued a statement vowing to continue to press the
issue.

The fight for marriage equality will continue, he told supporters at
the
Holiday Inn ballroom, where a buffet table included a three-tiered
wedding
cake - with two grooms standing side by side, two brides standing side
by
side and the inscription: "We all do!"

"We're not short-timers. We're here for the long haul and whether it's
just
all night and into the morning, or it's next week or next month or
next
year. We will be here. We'll be here fighting. We'll be working. We
will
regroup."

For Burnett and Swanson, the July 10 wedding date - and a reception
cruise
on Casco Bay - is off.

So, I guess separation of church and state is for keeping the state
out of the church's business and not the other way around. got it.

***I don't think this has anything to do with the grossly misinterpreted
and
misapplied separation of church and state thing. But for an Orthodox
Christian like yourself, the vote in Maine should be looked at as a vote
for
sanctity as well as sanity. But, I understand that some Orthodox
Christians
deny what God intended when He created the penis and the vagina.

Al

I render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's, as per
our Lord's instructions. Sorry you feel the need to disobey yet
another one of His commands.

***The Orthodox teaches that gay sex/gay marriage is a sin. Obeying the
Church is obeying Christ...the Church is Christ's Body on earth. The
"render" excuse you post does not refer to gay sex/marriage. Try asking
your
priest about it.

The OC teaches there is *no such thing* as gay "marriage" (in the true
sense of the word).  The contractual agreement between two parties
overseen by the government is not an issue for church doctrine and
what's more is none of the church's business.  Never has been.  If the
government allows me to marry my 2nd cousin, and I do so only in order
to allow them to inherit my estate after my death (even though no
sexual activity goes on), is that a sin?  Is it the Church's
obligation to fight govt sanctioning marriage between 2nd cousins?  or
"godsiblings"?  Get your head out of your bigotted ass and stick to
Church issues and let the government carry on with their work.

***You gay people have an unusual and incorrect interpretation of Church
teaching. Sad.

***If my head is up my bigoted ass, it's because of the Church. Holy
Scripture backs Church teaching. Deal with it.

***You live in a gay marriage state. Taking advantage of it?

~AGG~ a écrit :



God intended when He created the penis and the vagina.

The sexual organs have not been created: they're a byproduct of
evolution of both plants and animals.

Plus what God wanted was parthenogenesis that He used to populate the
seas with jellyfish and the earth with amoebas, then to make Adam and
Eve (Eve was born from Adam's side, ie parthenogenesis), then Mary and
Jesus. This says that Adam, Eve, Mary and Jesus had no genitals.

BTW parthenogenesis means "virginal birth".

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Dejection fills ballroom after gay marriage vote
By JOHN CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

PORTLAND, Maine - Cecelia Burnett and Ann Swanson had already set their
wedding date. When they joined about 1,000 other gay marriage supporters
for
an election night party in a Holiday Inn ballroom, they hoped to
celebrate
the vote that would make it possible.

Instead, they went home at midnight, dejected and near tears after a
failed
bid to make Maine the first state to approve same-sex marriage at the
ballot
box.

"I'm ready to start crying," said Burnett, a 58-year-old massage
therapist,
walking out of the ballroom with Swanson at her side. "I don't
understand
what the fear is, why people are so afraid of this change.

"It hurts. It hurts personally," she said. "It's a personal rejection of
us
and our relationship, and I don't understand what the fear is."

With 87 percent of precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent
of
the vote in a referendum that asked Maine voters whether they wanted to
repeal a law allowing same-sex marriage that had passed the Legislature
and
was signed by Democratic Gov. John Baldacci.

"The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across the
nation," said Frank Schubert, the chief organizer for Stand for Marriage
Maine, which lobbied for the repeal.

For the gay rights movement, which has gained a foothold in New England,
it
was a stinging defeat. Gay marriage has now lost in every state - 31 in
all - in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists
had
hoped to buck that trend in Maine, framing same-sex marriage as a matter
of
equality for all families in a campaign that used 8,000 volunteers to
get
out the message.

Five states have legalized gay marriage - Iowa, Massachusetts, Vermont,
New
Hampshire and Connecticut - but all did so through legislation or court
rulings, not by popular vote.

Portland resident Sarah Holman said she was torn, but decided - despite
her
conservative upbringing - to vote in favor of letting gays marry.

"They love and they have the right to love. And we can't tell somebody
how
to love," said Holman, 26.

While the gay marriage opponents claimed victory, Jesse Connolly,
campaign
manager for No on 1/Protect Maine Equality, held off conceding until
early
Wednesday, when he issued a statement vowing to continue to press the
issue.

The fight for marriage equality will continue, he told supporters at the
Holiday Inn ballroom, where a buffet table included a three-tiered
wedding
cake - with two grooms standing side by side, two brides standing side
by
side and the inscription: "We all do!"

"We're not short-timers. We're here for the long haul and whether it's
just
all night and into the morning, or it's next week or next month or next
year. We will be here. We'll be here fighting. We'll be working. We will
regroup."

For Burnett and Swanson, the July 10 wedding date - and a reception
cruise
on Casco Bay - is off.

So, I guess separation of church and state is for keeping the state
out of the church's business and not the other way around. got it.

***I don't think this has anything to do with the grossly misinterpreted
and
misapplied separation of church and state thing. But for an Orthodox
Christian like yourself, the vote in Maine should be looked at as a vote
for
sanctity as well as sanity. But, I understand that some Orthodox
Christians
deny what God intended when He created the penis and the vagina.

Al

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Dejection fills ballroom after gay marriage vote
By JOHN CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

PORTLAND, Maine - Cecelia Burnett and Ann Swanson had already set
their
wedding date. When they joined about 1,000 other gay marriage
supporters
for
an election night party in a Holiday Inn ballroom, they hoped to
celebrate
the vote that would make it possible.

Instead, they went home at midnight, dejected and near tears after a
failed
bid to make Maine the first state to approve same-sex marriage at the
ballot
box.

"I'm ready to start crying," said Burnett, a 58-year-old massage
therapist,
walking out of the ballroom with Swanson at her side. "I don't
understand
what the fear is, why people are so afraid of this change.

"It hurts. It hurts personally," she said. "It's a personal rejection
of
us
and our relationship, and I don't understand what the fear is."

With 87 percent of precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53
percent
of
the vote in a referendum that asked Maine voters whether they wanted
to
repeal a law allowing same-sex marriage that had passed the
Legislature
and
was signed by Democratic Gov. John Baldacci.

"The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across
the
nation," said Frank Schubert, the chief organizer for Stand for
Marriage
Maine, which lobbied for the repeal.

For the gay rights movement, which has gained a foothold in New
England,
it
was a stinging defeat. Gay marriage has now lost in every state - 31
in
all - in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists
had
hoped to buck that trend in Maine, framing same-sex marriage as a
matter
of
equality for all families in a campaign that used 8,000 volunteers to
get
out the message.

Five states have legalized gay marriage - Iowa, Massachusetts,
Vermont,
New
Hampshire and Connecticut - but all did so through legislation or
court
rulings, not by popular vote.

Portland resident Sarah Holman said she was torn, but decided -
despite
her
conservative upbringing - to vote in favor of letting gays marry.

"They love and they have the right to love. And we can't tell somebody
how
to love," said Holman, 26.

While the gay marriage opponents claimed victory, Jesse Connolly,
campaign
manager for No on 1/Protect Maine Equality, held off conceding until
early
Wednesday, when he issued a statement vowing to continue to press the
issue.

The fight for marriage equality will continue, he told supporters at
the
Holiday Inn ballroom, where a buffet table included a three-tiered
wedding
cake - with two grooms standing side by side, two brides standing side
by
side and the inscription: "We all do!"

"We're not short-timers. We're here for the long haul and whether it's
just
all night and into the morning, or it's next week or next month or
next
year. We will be here. We'll be here fighting. We'll be working. We
will
regroup."

For Burnett and Swanson, the July 10 wedding date - and a reception
cruise
on Casco Bay - is off.

So, I guess separation of church and state is for keeping the state
out of the church's business and not the other way around. got it.

***I don't think this has anything to do with the grossly misinterpreted
and
misapplied separation of church and state thing. But for an Orthodox
Christian like yourself, the vote in Maine should be looked at as a vote
for
sanctity as well as sanity. But, I understand that some Orthodox
Christians
deny what God intended when He created the penis and the vagina.

Al

I render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's, as per
our Lord's instructions. Sorry you feel the need to disobey yet
another one of His commands.

***The Orthodox teaches that gay sex/gay marriage is a sin. Obeying the
Church is obeying Christ...the Church is Christ's Body on earth. The
"render" excuse you post does not refer to gay sex/marriage. Try asking
your
priest about it.

God intended when He created the penis and the vagina.

The sexual organs have not been created: they're a byproduct of
evolution of both plants and animals.

Everything is "created" -- evolution is just a modality or means by

Plus what God wanted was parthenogenesis that He used to populate the
seas with jellyfish and the earth with amoebas, then to make Adam and
Eve (Eve was born from Adam's side, ie parthenogenesis), then Mary and
Jesus. This says that Adam, Eve, Mary and Jesus had no genitals.

No, it doesn't say that. Adam and Eve had children (Cain, Abel, etc.),

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On Nov 4, 10:10 am, "OrthoNews" <OrthoN... at (no spam) orthodox.net> wrote:

Dejection fills ballroom after gay marriage vote
By JOHN CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

PORTLAND, Maine - Cecelia Burnett and Ann Swanson had already set
their
wedding date. When they joined about 1,000 other gay marriage
supporters
for
an election night party in a Holiday Inn ballroom, they hoped to
celebrate
the vote that would make it possible.

Instead, they went home at midnight, dejected and near tears after a
failed
bid to make Maine the first state to approve same-sex marriage at
the
ballot
box.

"I'm ready to start crying," said Burnett, a 58-year-old massage
therapist,
walking out of the ballroom with Swanson at her side. "I don't
understand
what the fear is, why people are so afraid of this change.

"It hurts. It hurts personally," she said. "It's a personal
rejection
of
us
and our relationship, and I don't understand what the fear is."

With 87 percent of precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53
percent
of
the vote in a referendum that asked Maine voters whether they wanted
to
repeal a law allowing same-sex marriage that had passed the
Legislature
and
was signed by Democratic Gov. John Baldacci.

"The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across
the
nation," said Frank Schubert, the chief organizer for Stand for
Marriage
Maine, which lobbied for the repeal.

For the gay rights movement, which has gained a foothold in New
England,
it
was a stinging defeat. Gay marriage has now lost in every state - 31
in
all - in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights
activists
had
hoped to buck that trend in Maine, framing same-sex marriage as a
matter
of
equality for all families in a campaign that used 8,000 volunteers
to
get
out the message.

Five states have legalized gay marriage - Iowa, Massachusetts,
Vermont,
New
Hampshire and Connecticut - but all did so through legislation or
court
rulings, not by popular vote.

Portland resident Sarah Holman said she was torn, but decided -
despite
her
conservative upbringing - to vote in favor of letting gays marry.

"They love and they have the right to love. And we can't tell
somebody
how
to love," said Holman, 26.

While the gay marriage opponents claimed victory, Jesse Connolly,
campaign
manager for No on 1/Protect Maine Equality, held off conceding until
early
Wednesday, when he issued a statement vowing to continue to press
the
issue.

The fight for marriage equality will continue, he told supporters at
the
Holiday Inn ballroom, where a buffet table included a three-tiered
wedding
cake - with two grooms standing side by side, two brides standing
side
by
side and the inscription: "We all do!"

"We're not short-timers. We're here for the long haul and whether
it's
just
all night and into the morning, or it's next week or next month or
next
year. We will be here. We'll be here fighting. We'll be working. We
will
regroup."

For Burnett and Swanson, the July 10 wedding date - and a reception
cruise
on Casco Bay - is off.

So, I guess separation of church and state is for keeping the state
out of the church's business and not the other way around. got it.

***I don't think this has anything to do with the grossly
misinterpreted
and
misapplied separation of church and state thing. But for an Orthodox
Christian like yourself, the vote in Maine should be looked at as a
vote
for
sanctity as well as sanity. But, I understand that some Orthodox
Christians
deny what God intended when He created the penis and the vagina.

Al

I render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's, as per
our Lord's instructions. Sorry you feel the need to disobey yet
another one of His commands.

***The Orthodox teaches that gay sex/gay marriage is a sin. Obeying the
Church is obeying Christ...the Church is Christ's Body on earth. The
"render" excuse you post does not refer to gay sex/marriage. Try asking
your
priest about it.

The OC teaches there is *no such thing* as gay "marriage" (in the true
sense of the word). The contractual agreement between two parties
overseen by the government is not an issue for church doctrine and
what's more is none of the church's business. Never has been. If the
government allows me to marry my 2nd cousin, and I do so only in order
to allow them to inherit my estate after my death (even though no
sexual activity goes on), is that a sin? Is it the Church's
obligation to fight govt sanctioning marriage between 2nd cousins? or
"godsiblings"? Get your head out of your bigotted ass and stick to
Church issues and let the government carry on with their work.

***You gay people have an unusual and incorrect interpretation of Church
teaching. Sad.

***If my head is up my bigoted ass, it's because of the Church. Holy
Scripture backs Church teaching. Deal with it.

***You live in a gay marriage state. Taking advantage of it?

adn you never did answer my question:  What right or obligation does
the Church or individual Orthodox Christians have to work to overturn
the government's allowing of 2nd cousin marriage?

***I have no idea what you are babbling about. The subject is gay marriage
which you seem to endorse.

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On Nov 4, 10:10 am, "OrthoNews" <OrthoN... at (no spam) orthodox.net> wrote:

Dejection fills ballroom after gay marriage vote
By JOHN CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

PORTLAND, Maine - Cecelia Burnett and Ann Swanson had already set
their
wedding date. When they joined about 1,000 other gay marriage
supporters
for
an election night party in a Holiday Inn ballroom, they hoped to
celebrate
the vote that would make it possible.

Instead, they went home at midnight, dejected and near tears after a
failed
bid to make Maine the first state to approve same-sex marriage at
the
ballot
box.

"I'm ready to start crying," said Burnett, a 58-year-old massage
therapist,
walking out of the ballroom with Swanson at her side. "I don't
understand
what the fear is, why people are so afraid of this change.

"It hurts. It hurts personally," she said. "It's a personal
rejection
of
us
and our relationship, and I don't understand what the fear is."

With 87 percent of precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53
percent
of
the vote in a referendum that asked Maine voters whether they wanted
to
repeal a law allowing same-sex marriage that had passed the
Legislature
and
was signed by Democratic Gov. John Baldacci.

"The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across
the
nation," said Frank Schubert, the chief organizer for Stand for
Marriage
Maine, which lobbied for the repeal.

For the gay rights movement, which has gained a foothold in New
England,
it
was a stinging defeat. Gay marriage has now lost in every state - 31
in
all - in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights
activists
had
hoped to buck that trend in Maine, framing same-sex marriage as a
matter
of
equality for all families in a campaign that used 8,000 volunteers
to
get
out the message.

Five states have legalized gay marriage - Iowa, Massachusetts,
Vermont,
New
Hampshire and Connecticut - but all did so through legislation or
court
rulings, not by popular vote.

Portland resident Sarah Holman said she was torn, but decided -
despite
her
conservative upbringing - to vote in favor of letting gays marry.

"They love and they have the right to love. And we can't tell
somebody
how
to love," said Holman, 26.

While the gay marriage opponents claimed victory, Jesse Connolly,
campaign
manager for No on 1/Protect Maine Equality, held off conceding until
early
Wednesday, when he issued a statement vowing to continue to press
the
issue.

The fight for marriage equality will continue, he told supporters at
the
Holiday Inn ballroom, where a buffet table included a three-tiered
wedding
cake - with two grooms standing side by side, two brides standing
side
by
side and the inscription: "We all do!"

"We're not short-timers. We're here for the long haul and whether
it's
just
all night and into the morning, or it's next week or next month or
next
year. We will be here. We'll be here fighting. We'll be working. We
will
regroup."

For Burnett and Swanson, the July 10 wedding date - and a reception
cruise
on Casco Bay - is off.

So, I guess separation of church and state is for keeping the state
out of the church's business and not the other way around. got it.

***I don't think this has anything to do with the grossly
misinterpreted
and
misapplied separation of church and state thing. But for an Orthodox
Christian like yourself, the vote in Maine should be looked at as a
vote
for
sanctity as well as sanity. But, I understand that some Orthodox
Christians
deny what God intended when He created the penis and the vagina.

Al

I render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's, as per
our Lord's instructions. Sorry you feel the need to disobey yet
another one of His commands.

***The Orthodox teaches that gay sex/gay marriage is a sin. Obeying the
Church is obeying Christ...the Church is Christ's Body on earth. The
"render" excuse you post does not refer to gay sex/marriage. Try asking
your
priest about it.

The OC teaches there is *no such thing* as gay "marriage" (in the true
sense of the word). The contractual agreement between two parties
overseen by the government is not an issue for church doctrine and
what's more is none of the church's business. Never has been. If the
government allows me to marry my 2nd cousin, and I do so only in order
to allow them to inherit my estate after my death (even though no
sexual activity goes on), is that a sin? Is it the Church's
obligation to fight govt sanctioning marriage between 2nd cousins? or
"godsiblings"? Get your head out of your bigotted ass and stick to
Church issues and let the government carry on with their work.

***You gay people have an unusual and incorrect interpretation of Church
teaching. Sad.

***If my head is up my bigoted ass, it's because of the Church. Holy
Scripture backs Church teaching. Deal with it.

***You live in a gay marriage state. Taking advantage of it?

1.  "You str8 people" are bigots. (see?  I can make wild, false
generralizations as well)

2.  Not that it's any of your fucking business, but I have no one that
would be willing to take advantage of the state government law within
the confines of church teaching, so, no, I'm not.  and even if I did,
what of it?  No sex would be going on so what business is it of the
Church?

***Everything moral and immoral is the business of the Church. Deal with it!

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***Everything moral and immoral is the business of the Church. Deal with
it!

And they deal with it within the Church. We are NOT to change the
government.

***And part of the church's mission is to impart morality to all...make
that
a capitalized ALL.