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singin4free...

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:01 pm

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On Nov 6, 11:02 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote:

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On Nov 7, 1:02 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 7:11 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote:

On Nov 7, 10:42 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:48:01 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.

God.

If you are one with the spirit, does that make you God? Or would you
teach that one can't manifest the spirit? When the Messiah breathed
his spirit on his disciples, did that make them God?

He made them partakers of the divine nature. But it was his to give
because he himself had it from the beginning. He had the Spirit
without measure. there is a difference between a partaker and one who
has all of it.

So, since it was "his to give" then nobody else could give it because
nobody comes to him except from him, right. After all, you teach the
Son is his own Father.

As you know very well, I never said the Son was his own Father. But I
did say that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are Yahweh,
One God in three Persons. There is nothing wrong with accepting
revelation from God that is too hard to understand. The Psalmist knew
this:

Psa 131:1 A Song of degrees of David. LORD, my heart is not haughty,
nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or
in things too high for me.
Psa 131:2 Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a child that
is weaned of his mother: my soul is even as a weaned child.
Psa 131:3 Let Israel hope in the LORD from henceforth and forever.

Psa 139:6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I
cannot attain unto it.
Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee
from thy presence?

guardian Snow...

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:43 am

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On Nov 7, 4:01 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 6, 11:02 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote:

On Nov 7, 1:02 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 7:11 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote:

On Nov 7, 10:42 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:48:01 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.

God.

If you are one with the spirit, does that make you God? Or would you
teach that one can't manifest the spirit? When the Messiah breathed
his spirit on his disciples, did that make them God?

He made them partakers of the divine nature. But it was his to give
because he himself had it from the beginning. He had the Spirit
without measure. there is a difference between a partaker and one who
has all of it.

So, since it was "his to give" then nobody else could give it because
nobody comes to him except from him, right. After all, you teach the
Son is his own Father.

As you know very well, I never said the Son was his own Father. But I
did say that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are Yahweh,
One God in three Persons.

So, you admit that the Son is not the Father and is in fact a separate
entity that are joined in spirit but have independent positions in
that the servant is not also the master and the son is NOT THE FATHER?

I've told you in the past, spare me your name removed scriptures, I
will not even read that GARBAGE. If it does not acknowledge the name
of Yahweh, don't bother with me.

guardian Snow...

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:51 am

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On Nov 7, 11:32 pm, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:

Quote:

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:11:41 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 7, 10:42 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:48:01 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.

God.
If you are one with the spirit, does that make you God? Or would you
teach that one can't manifest the spirit? When the Messiah breathed
his spirit on his disciples, did that make them God?

"One with the Spirit" means we follow the Spirit. The Spirit is guide,
counselor, comforter, paraclete. There is only one Holy Spirit, and that's not
us.

When Jesus, the risen Lord, on Easter Sunday night breathed on the Apostles, he
was giving them spiritual life. There are only two times that God breathed on
man - in Genesis to give man physical life, and in John when he gave man
spiritual life.

And the authority to perform his sacraments which themselves gives spiritual
life to mankind.

Mat 22:44 YAHWEH said unto my master, Sit thou on my right hand, till
I make thine enemies thy footstool?

So, when the Lord, note, not the LORD because scripturally their is a
difference in your canon that removes the name of YAHWEH to confuse
people... when the Lord rose and was given spiritual life, he passed
this on to other men and they passed it on to other men.. so ... we
have One spirit in many different people.. is this a correct analysis
of what you are attempting to say?

So, the LORD gave the other Lord spiritual life and again we have two
entities.

Mat 26:64 Yahushua saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say
unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right
hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

And he rose into heaven to sit at the RIGHT HAND of POWER, which is
YAHWEH.

Do you agree?

singin4free...

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:15 am

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On Nov 7, 6:43 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 7, 4:01 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 11:02 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote:

On Nov 7, 1:02 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 7:11 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote:

On Nov 7, 10:42 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:48:01 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.

God.

If you are one with the spirit, does that make you God? Or would you
teach that one can't manifest the spirit? When the Messiah breathed
his spirit on his disciples, did that make them God?

He made them partakers of the divine nature. But it was his to give
because he himself had it from the beginning. He had the Spirit
without measure. there is a difference between a partaker and one who
has all of it.

So, since it was "his to give" then nobody else could give it because
nobody comes to him except from him, right. After all, you teach the
Son is his own Father.

As you know very well, I never said the Son was his own Father. But I
did say that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are Yahweh,
One God in three Persons.

So, you admit that the Son is not the Father and is in fact a separate
entity that are joined in spirit but have independent positions in
that the servant is not also the master and the son is NOT THE FATHER?

With the exception of the words "separate entity" I would agree with
that statement. There is only one entity who is Yahweh, God. He is
eternally existent in three Persons. The Father is not the Son, but
they are inseparably One. Positionally the Son is subject to the
Father, but he is equal in nature to him. The Holy Spirit proceeds
from the Father and the Son.

Really Snow you know the doctrine of the trinity, so why are you
trying to trap me?

Quote:

I've told you in the past, spare me your name removed scriptures, I
will not even read that GARBAGE. If it does not acknowledge the name
of Yahweh, don't bother with me.

Why not look it up in your version then, instead of just ignoring it?

duke...

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:25 am

Guest

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:42:32 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheonix at (no spam) eck.net.au>
wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 6, 11:35 pm, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:

I would point out that the first distinction is here in his statement
that he is the "Son of Man/Adam". YAHWEH is the creator of man, not
the Son.

Snow, the Son is the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity. I believe you call the
Holy Trinity as Yahweh.

The Son is a man that manifested the spirit of YAHWEH my brother.
Where I disagree with my brothers is in defining, "manifested" vs.
"incarnate"... a word that limits the spirit to ONE being, which we
know for a fact is not the case when many men and in fact ALL men may
be one with that spirit.

I do not deny that Yehoshua manifested the spirit and work great
miracles as recorded in the good news, only that the deity of YAHWEH
is limited to the being of a single man... I hope you can understand
this and if you do not, I respect your faith brother and know that I
have admired you as a friend, a brother and a fellow believer.

My concern is not what you say, but trying to understand what you said. For the
purposes of the salvation of man's soul, God became Jesus the man, not a divine
person (if that is the single man you're referring to), and taught and led by
example. Then, upon his departure, the HolySpirit guides us in his example so
that we live in his spirit, firstly loving God and, secondly, our neighbor as
ourselves.

Quote:

It is not my position to deny the Spirit, I only seek to better define
it for my brothers... that all may be one with the Spirit is clearly
taught by the Good News and that we have the potential to do as great
and greater things if we believe and obey the voice of the spirit of
YAHWEH.

Respectfully,
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’

Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)

Begin to see yourself as a soul with a body rather than a body with a
soul. Conflict cannot survive without your participation. If you
change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.
Wayne Dyer

Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.

A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read.
Mark Twain

Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/

http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download scriptures free
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip
Restored Names King James for E-sword

http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/Jubilees.pdf
Book of Jubilees

I believe that being successful means having a balance of success
stories across the many areas of your life. You can't truly be
considered successful in your business life if your home life is in
shambles.
Zig Ziglar

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

duke...

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:27 am

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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:02:55 -0800 (PST), "jwsheffield at (no spam) satx.rr.com"
<jwsheffield at (no spam) satx.rr.com> wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 6, 5:42 pm, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:48:01 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.

God.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

As a 39 Article Episcopalian, I have some issues
with Rome, but I thank you for defending Christ.
Some on these news groups won't.
Jim

I'm not sure what I said. :-)

Quote:

Mark

9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out
devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him,
because he followeth not us.

9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall
do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

duke...

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:32 am

Guest

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:11:41 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheonix at (no spam) eck.net.au>
wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 7, 10:42 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:48:01 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.

God.

If you are one with the spirit, does that make you God? Or would you
teach that one can't manifest the spirit? When the Messiah breathed
his spirit on his disciples, did that make them God?

"One with the Spirit" means we follow the Spirit. The Spirit is guide,
counselor, comforter, paraclete. There is only one Holy Spirit, and that's not
us.

When Jesus, the risen Lord, on Easter Sunday night breathed on the Apostles, he
was giving them spiritual life. There are only two times that God breathed on
man - in Genesis to give man physical life, and in John when he gave man
spiritual life.

And the authority to perform his sacraments which themselves gives spiritual
life to mankind.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

guardian Snow...

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:51 am

Guest

On Nov 8, 4:25 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:

Quote:

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:51:37 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 7, 11:32 pm, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:11:41 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 7, 10:42 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:48:01 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.

God.
If you are one with the spirit, does that make you God? Or would you
teach that one can't manifest the spirit? When the Messiah breathed
his spirit on his disciples, did that make them God?

"One with the Spirit" means we follow the Spirit. The Spirit is guide,
counselor, comforter, paraclete. There is only one Holy Spirit, and that's not
us.

When Jesus, the risen Lord, on Easter Sunday night breathed on the Apostles, he
was giving them spiritual life. There are only two times that God breathed on
man - in Genesis to give man physical life, and in John when he gave man
spiritual life.

And the authority to perform his sacraments which themselves gives spiritual
life to mankind.

Mat 22:44 YAHWEH said unto my master, Sit thou on my right hand, till
I make thine enemies thy footstool?
So, when the Lord, note, not the LORD because scripturally their is a
difference in your canon that removes the name of YAHWEH to confuse
people... when the Lord rose and was given spiritual life, he passed
this on to other men and they passed it on to other men.. so ... we
have One spirit in many different people.. is this a correct analysis
of what you are attempting to say?

First of all, *I* didn't bring up Mat 22:44. And it appears even the pharisees
didn't understand the response either.

What I said is that Jesus calls for us to follow him in obedience to the Father,
to live in the spirit of Christ. The new covenant is one written on man's
heart, and when man does fall and sin, he has an avenue available to repair his
separation from God thru the sacrament of Confession.

So, the LORD gave the other Lord spiritual life and again we have two
entities.
Mat 26:64 Yahushua saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say
unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right
hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

And he rose into heaven to sit at the RIGHT HAND of POWER, which is
YAHWEH.

Do you agree?

No, the right hand of Power is the Father. And the Lord is Jesus, Son of God.

So your Jesus is just a ventriloquists throwing his voice around to
impress people right?

Mat 12:18 “See, My Servant whom I have chosen, My Beloved in whom My
being did delight. I shall put My Spirit upon Him, and He shall
declare right-ruling to the nations.

Because it is your statement that the Son is the Father.. correct...
that the Almighty is a man that changes his form and his opinions and
requires Romans to kill him so he can forgive you...

If your doctrine is correct... one of two things..

Jesus is a false prophet by the trinity doctrine.

Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.

By his own testimony, you make him a liar.

Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams,
and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake
unto thee, saying, Let us go after other elohim, which thou hast not
known, and let us serve them;
Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or
that dreamer of dreams: for YAHWEH your Elohim proveth you, to know
whether ye love YAHWEH your Elohim with all your heart and with all
your soul.

The trinity doctrine makes him a false prophet according to the Torah
also... We are to serve Yahweh alone. He alone is Saviour.

Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel
together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it
from that time? have not I YAHWEH? and there is no Elohim else beside
me; a just El and a Saviour; there is none besides me.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth:
for I am El, and there is none else.

jwsheffield at (no spam) satx.rr.com...

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:24 am

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On Nov 7, 5:43 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote:

Quote:

Look! We are Trinitarians, not modalists.
If you don't understand the difference, do
some studying.

Quote:

I've told you in the past, spare me your name removed scriptures, I
will not even read that GARBAGE. If it does not acknowledge the name
of Yahweh, don't bother with me.

Does GOD's name have a meaning?

The actual name of GOD, "YHWH", is spelled similarly to a form of the
Hebrew verb, "to be". Most scholars believe YHWH is related to a root
word meaning "to be present" or "to exist" and probably meant either
"He creates or causes" or simply "I AM", meaning that God did not
depend on anyone or anything for His existence. This comes from Exodus
3:13-14, where Moses asks God what His name is, and God says "I AM WHO
I AM."

http://www.stlukes-oviedo.org/yahweh.html

You are a typical pagani, who thinks if
he says the magic "name" enough, he will
get powers.

Jim

Ex 3:14 - And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus
shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto
you.

Joh 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am.

Joh 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him,
My Lord and my God.

duke...

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:25 pm

Guest

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:51:37 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheonix at (no spam) eck.net.au>
wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 7, 11:32 pm, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:11:41 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 7, 10:42 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:48:01 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au
wrote:

On Nov 5, 3:46 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The
sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.

God.
If you are one with the spirit, does that make you God? Or would you
teach that one can't manifest the spirit? When the Messiah breathed
his spirit on his disciples, did that make them God?

"One with the Spirit" means we follow the Spirit. The Spirit is guide,
counselor, comforter, paraclete. There is only one Holy Spirit, and that's not
us.

When Jesus, the risen Lord, on Easter Sunday night breathed on the Apostles, he
was giving them spiritual life. There are only two times that God breathed on
man - in Genesis to give man physical life, and in John when he gave man
spiritual life.

And the authority to perform his sacraments which themselves gives spiritual
life to mankind.

Mat 22:44 YAHWEH said unto my master, Sit thou on my right hand, till
I make thine enemies thy footstool?

So, when the Lord, note, not the LORD because scripturally their is a
difference in your canon that removes the name of YAHWEH to confuse
people... when the Lord rose and was given spiritual life, he passed
this on to other men and they passed it on to other men.. so ... we
have One spirit in many different people.. is this a correct analysis
of what you are attempting to say?

First of all, *I* didn't bring up Mat 22:44. And it appears even the pharisees
didn't understand the response either.

What I said is that Jesus calls for us to follow him in obedience to the Father,
to live in the spirit of Christ. The new covenant is one written on man's
heart, and when man does fall and sin, he has an avenue available to repair his
separation from God thru the sacrament of Confession.

Quote:

So, the LORD gave the other Lord spiritual life and again we have two
entities.

Mat 26:64 Yahushua saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say
unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right
hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

And he rose into heaven to sit at the RIGHT HAND of POWER, which is
YAHWEH.

Do you agree?

No, the right hand of Power is the Father. And the Lord is Jesus, Son of God.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

guardian Snow...

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:27 pm

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On Nov 8, 6:24Â am, "jwsheffi... at (no spam) satx.rr.com" <jwsheffi... at (no spam) satx.rr.com>
wrote:

Quote:

Â You are a typical pagani, who thinks if
Â he says the magic "name" enough, he will
Â get powers.

Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
name of YAHWEH shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem
shall be deliverance, as YAHWEH hath said, and in the remnant whom
YAHWEH shall call.

It doesn't say all who call on adonai, all who call on baal, all who
call on elohim... THREE times it tells us to call on the name of
YAHWEH. Is it your desire that men not be saved?

Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.

There is only ONE.

Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.

Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Can we have any doubt that Yehoshua made known the name of YAHWEH, his
Fatherâ€™s name.

Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, â€œThus you are to say to
the children of Yisrael, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
AbÌ±raham, the Elohim of YitshÌ£aq, and the Elohim of YaaqobÌ±, has sent
me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all
generations.â€™

This is the ONLY name ever given.

Act 2:21 â€˜And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of
Yahweh shall be saved.â€™

Jer 12:16 And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the
ways of my people, to swear by my name, YAHWEH liveth; as they taught
my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of
my people.
Jer 12:17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and
destroy that nation, saith YAHWEH.

Baal is translated LORD as shown here:

Isa 16:8 the lord1167 of the heathen1471
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:23 pm

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On Nov 7, 9:27 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote

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Act 2:21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of
Yahweh shall be saved.’
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Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with YHWH, and
the Word was YHWH.(Revised Names KJV)
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Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel,
that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom
God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before
you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at naught of you builders,
which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none
other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

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James Fenimore...

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:48 am

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RAISED? Don't [continue to be] Silly!

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POPE Prepares For End Of CATHOLICISM!

Astrobiology Seen As Destroying Last Pillar Of "GOD"-CENTRIC Belief!

"The possibility of extraterrestrial life is not much of an issue for
Eastern religions, which tend to be less Earth-centric. Islam also has
little problem with extraterrestrials because the Koran speaks
explicitly of life beyond Earth, as do some newer Christian groups
such as Mormons. It is in mainstream Western religious traditions, in
which humans and God are central, where astrobiology poses the biggest
challenge."

"The notion of life beyond Earth does not easily coexist with the
'truths' that many people hold dear."

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"When E.T. phones the pope"

By Marc Kaufman
Sunday, November 8, 2009

ROME -- A little more than a half-mile from the Vatican, in a square
called Campo de' Fiori, stands a large statue of a brooding monk. Few
of the shoppers and tourists wandering through the fruit-and-vegetable
market below may know his story; he is Giordano Bruno, a Renaissance
philosopher, writer and free-thinker who was burned at the stake by
the Inquisition in 1600. Among his many heresies was his belief in a
"plurality of worlds" -- in extraterrestrial life, in aliens.

Though it's a bit late for Bruno, he might take satisfaction in
knowing that this week the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences is
holding its first major conference on astrobiology, the new science
that seeks to find life elsewhere in the cosmos and to understand how
it began on Earth. Convened on private Vatican grounds in the elegant
Casina Pio IV, formerly the pope's villa, the unlikely gathering of
prominent scientists and religious leaders shows that some of the most
tradition-bound faiths are seriously contemplating the possibility
that life exists in myriad forms beyond this planet. Astrobiology has
arrived, and religious and social institutions -- even the Vatican --
are taking note.

Father Jose Funes, a Jesuit astronomer, director of the centuries-old
Vatican Observatory and a driving force behind the conference,
suggested in an interview last year that the possibility of "brother
extraterrestrials" poses no problem for Catholic theology. "As a
multiplicity of creatures exists on Earth, so there could be other
beings, also intelligent, created by God," Funes explained. "This does
not conflict with our faith because we cannot put limits on the
creative freedom of God."

Yet, as Bruno might attest, the notion of life beyond Earth does not
easily coexist with the "truths" that many people hold dear. Just as
the Copernican revolution forced us to understand that Earth is not
the center of the universe, the logic of astrobiologists points in a
similarly unsettling direction: to the likelihood that we are not
alone, and perhaps that we are not even the most advanced creatures in
the universe. This may not "conflict with our faith," but it may
conflict with the stories we tell about who and what we are.

The Vatican's five-day conference is chaired by the religious leader
of the highly regarded Academy, Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo.
Scientists (many of them nonbelievers) are offering presentations on
subjects as varied as how life might have begun on Earth; what newly
found "extremophile" microbes living in harsh places on our planet
might tell us about possible life on others; and how life forms might
be detected in our solar system, or how their bio-signatures might be
found on and around the many distant exoplanets.

Having overcome the giggle factor of most things extraterrestrial,
astrobiologists are telling a scientific story to an audience that may
someday use it to defend -- or enhance -- its faith.

The Catholic Church isn't the only institution preparing itself for
what could be a world-changing event. For instance, NASA's National
Astrobiology Institute, established in 1998, sponsored a meeting of
scientists, ethicists, religious leaders and philosophers in February
to brainstorm about the societal implications of astrobiology, and it
is preparing a semiofficial "road map" of sensitive issues we'd need
to address should the presence of life elsewhere be established.

Initial extraterrestrial discoveries -- which many scientists believe
are on the horizon, if not yet in reach -- are likely to be of
microbial life just below the parched surface of Mars, in the waters
of Jupiter's moon Europa under its thick crust of ice or in the liquid
plumes of Saturn's moon Enceladus. Though it will be easy to dismiss
extraterrestrial microbes as unthreatening to anyone's worldview,
cosmologists and astrobiologists generally contend that the existence
of two separate geneses in one solar system would enormously increase
the probability that life is commonplace in the universe. And as we
know, under the right conditions microbes can evolve over eons to
become dinosaurs, hummingbirds and us.

The possibility of extraterrestrial life is not much of an issue for
Eastern religions, which tend to be less Earth-centric. Islam also has
little problem with extraterrestrials because the Koran speaks
explicitly of life beyond Earth, as do some newer Christian groups
such as Mormons. It is in mainstream Western religious traditions, in
which humans and God are central, where astrobiology poses the biggest
challenge.

"I think the discovery of a second genesis would be of enormous
spiritual significance," says Paul Davies, a theoretical physicist and
cosmologist from Arizona State University who is speaking at the
Vatican conference. He believes the potential challenge to
Christianity in particular "is being downplayed" by religious leaders.

"The real threat would come from the discovery of extraterrestrial
intelligence, because if there are beings elsewhere in the universe,
then Christians, they're in this horrible bind. They believe that God
became incarnate in the form of Jesus Christ in order to save
humankind, not dolphins or chimpanzees or little green men on other
planets."

Davies explained the tensions within the Catholic Church: "If you look
back at the history of Christian debate on this, it divides into two
camps. There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring
salvation to the aliens, and those who believe in multiple
incarnations," he said, referencing the belief that Christ could have
appeared on other planets at other times. "The multiple incarnations
is a heresy in Catholicism." (As Giordano Bruno learned.)

Many Protestant scholars agree with Funes, saying that the discovery
of extraterrestrial life would not pose a major challenge to their
faith or theology, especially if it was not intelligent or morally
aware. But on the evangelical side, there is a deep concern, one
reminiscent of the battles over evolution. "My theological perspective
is that E.T. life would actually make a mockery of the very reason
Christ came to die for our sins, for our redemption," Gary Bates, head
of Atlanta-based Creation Ministries International, told me recently
in a critique of the Vatican conference. Bates believes that "the
entire focus of creation is mankind on this Earth" and that
intelligent, morally aware extraterrestrial life would undermine that
view and belief in the incarnation, resurrection and redemption drama
so central to the faith. "It is a huge problem that many Christians
have not really thought about," he said.

The big question involves intelligent life. Astronomers say there are
something like 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the known
universe, and more planets are discovered orbiting some of them all
the time. (On one day last month, the European Space Agency announced
the discovery of 32 new extra-solar planets.) It is increasingly
difficult to assume that our sun and planet are the only ones capable
of supporting complex and evolved life -- the kind of life that
Christians might assume would be in need of salvation. Questions
inevitably follow: Are Christianity and, to some extent, other
religions only stories about life on Earth? And if they are not
"universal" in a cosmic sense, does that diminish their significance?

Thus the conference on astrobiology at the Vatican -- an institution
that got Copernicus, Galileo and other men of science wrong and
doesn't want to do that again. In the words of Pierre Lena, a French
astrophysicist and member of the Pontifical Academy who pressed for
the astrobiology conference: "Astrobiology is a mature science that
says very interesting things that could change the vision humanity has
of itself. The church cannot be indifferent to that."

Funes, an earnest priest-scientist with a wry sense of humor, seemed a
bit nonplussed last week about the worldwide attention that his
"brother extraterrestrials" comments from last year and the
astrobiology conference have drawn. Speaking to me from the new
Vatican Observatory headquarters outside Rome -- the church also
operates a telescope in Arizona -- he didn't retract his statements or
express regret about them, and said he has not been chastised by
higher-ups at the Vatican.

But he did emphasize that he was not speaking officially for the
church, even though his 2008 interview ran on the front page of the
official Vatican newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano. The church, he said,
has no official position on extraterrestrial life or on theological
issues it might raise. Just as some people write science fiction,
Funes said with a mischievous smile, he is attracted to "theological
fiction" -- what might become important religiously if life beyond
Earth is discovered someday.

"There's no need for the church to speak on this point now," he said.
"But yes, that could certainly change."

[Marc Kaufman, a science and space reporter for The Washington Post,
is on leave writing a book about astrobiology.]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/06/AR2009110601899.html

guardian Snow...

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:58 am

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On Nov 8, 4:23 pm, singin4free <jffry... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 7, 9:27 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo... at (no spam) eck.net.au> wrote

Act 2:21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of
Yahweh shall be saved.’
__,
.-'_-'`
.' {`
.-'````'-. .-'``'.
.'(0) '._/ _.-. `\
} '. )) _<` )` |
`-.,\'.\_,.-\` \`---; .' /
) ) '-. '--:
( ' ( ) '. \
'. ) .'( / )
)/ ( '. /
'._( ) .'
gs ( (

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with YHWH, and
the Word was YHWH.(Revised Names KJV)
`-.
Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel,
that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom
God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before
you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at naught of you builders,
which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none
other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Notice that you move back to your mistranslations to keep your trinity
doctrine and promote the name of "FORTUNE"... Baal Fortune... In
Fortune you trust...

Did Baal Fortune raise up HeZeus?

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