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| J... |
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:22 pm |
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Let the will of the people be law, whatever the results of the referendum
are. Fanatics want the will of the government. It's time for America to show
the world that we are truly a democracy.
http://www.citizenlink.org/CLNews/A000011370.cfm
Poll: Maine Voters Favor Marriage
Over half of Maine voters say they are in favor of repealing the state's
same-sex "marriage" law.
A Public Policy Polling survey finds 51 percent plan to vote for the repeal
Tuesday, up from two weeks ago when a similar poll showed 48 percent
favoring marriage between one man and one woman.
Mark Mutty, campaign chair of Stand for Marriage Maine, said the battle is
significant.
"Thirty states have voted on this issue and have maintained traditional
marriage," he told Fox News. "Ultimately, in a race like this, the decisive
factor is who comes out to the polls."
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J Young
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| Mark Sebree... |
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:22 pm |
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On Nov 2, 10:22 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Quote: Let the will of the people be law, whatever the results of the referendum
are. Fanatics want the will of the government.
That would be people like you.
Quote: It's time for America to show
the world that we are truly a democracy.
You do not want to face the fact that equal rights should NEVER be
subject to the will of the people, or they are not rights, and the
people are not equal.
That would mean that the referendum is voted DOWN, and that homosexual
couples get the right to get married. Otherwise, the headline will
read "Maine Voters Deny Marriage and Equal Rights for its Citizens".
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Over half of Maine voters say they are in favor of repealing the state's
same-sex "marriage" law.
So, they are AGAINST marriage, not in favor of it. The headline was
wrong from the start.
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A Public Policy Polling survey finds 51 percent plan to vote for the repeal
Tuesday, up from two weeks ago when a similar poll showed 48 percent
favoring marriage between one man and one woman.
Which means that it is still a tossup.
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Mark Mutty, campaign chair of Stand for Marriage Maine, said the battle is
significant.
Too bad he does not stand for marriage, but against it. He wants to
deny marriage to single adult couples that want to get married.
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"Thirty states have voted on this issue and have maintained traditional
marriage," he told Fox News. "Ultimately, in a race like this, the decisive
factor is who comes out to the polls."
Hopefully, the people who ACTUALLY support marriage as a right for
EVERYONE make it out to the polls in greater numbers, and the
referendum is repealed so that homosexuals couples can get married.
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J Young
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Too bad you cannot find an honest site for your source.
Mark Sebree |
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| J... |
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:26 am |
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"Mark Sebree" <sebree at (no spam) infionline.net> wrote in message
news:3ef8a852-b0cb-4e10-9981-015a69b34809 at (no spam) r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
Quote: On Nov 2, 10:22 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Let the will of the people be law, whatever the results of the
referendum
are. Fanatics want the will of the government.
That would be people like you.
It's time for America to show
the world that we are truly a democracy.
You do not want to face the fact that equal rights should NEVER be
subject to the will of the people, or they are not rights, and the
people are not equal.
Do you realize how you just contradicted yourself ? It is you who wants
government to dictate the law to the people. Fanatical liberals have become
the very thing that they used to detest.
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| W.T.S.... |
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:54 am |
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"J" <Jvisions at (no spam) live.com> wrote in message
news:38kt7h.ol8.19.1 at (no spam) news.alt.net...
Quote: Let the will of the people be law, whatever the results of the referendum
are. Fanatics want the will of the government. It's time for America to
show the world that we are truly a democracy.
http://www.citizenlink.org/CLNews/A000011370.cfm
And many would still vote for segregation if given the chance. Many did
vote amendments to state constitutions during the civil rights movement to
continue segregation. Civil rights and liberties aren't for the ballot box.
They were designed to protect minorities from majority oppression.
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| Mark Sebree... |
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:32 pm |
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On Nov 4, 7:10 pm, Bibon <bi... at (no spam) semper-gumby.org> wrote:
Quote: On 2009-11-04 17:54:48 -0500, Mark Sebree <seb... at (no spam) infionline.net> said:
On Nov 4, 2:11 pm, Bibon <bi... at (no spam) semper-gumby.org> wrote:
On 2009-11-03 09:21:03 -0500, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
www.LayoffRemedy.com> " <x... at (no spam) m.com> said:
As for the people in Maine, and marriage
They have clearly stated "FUCK OFF HOMOS"
Not really. It is more like, "wait for a few more years and try
again. Let the right get even more discredited, and the truth become
plainer."
In your dreams
Actually in reality. More and more states will be moving towards
equality, and the lies that the extreme right tells. Additionally, it
is the older generation that is most heavily against same sex
marriage, and the younger generation that is most heavily for
equality, so as the population ages, the numbers and proportion
against same sex marriage decreases and the number and proportion for
equality increases. The numbers are close now, so it will not take
much to overturn the bigoted and discriminatory laws.
Only pussies and tits, as well as other parts of women's bodies as a
part of foreplay.
Quote: All of those states that shoved homo
recognition down the people's throat without a vote will soon find
themselves facing exactly what the Maine legislature faced yesterday.
Nope. None of the those states are likely to have such votes since
people are quickly learning the truth and rejecting your lies. They
also may not have such referendum laws on the books like California
and Maine do. Iowa is actually getting increased income and business
because of out of state couples getting married there.
Quote: The party is over and the lights are going out for homos.
Not even close. The party is just starting, and it has not even
gotten up to full steam yet. You just want it to be over since you
see that the votes are close, and are soon likely to start
Quote: You can take that to your local credit union, Jocko.
Why should I take a lie and hateful bigotry like that anywhere? I
prefer the truth.
Mark Sebree
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Mark Sebree
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| Mark Sebree... |
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:32 pm |
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On Nov 4, 7:38 pm, BE-VA <blackwater-evangel... at (no spam) testland.org> wrote:
Quote: On 2009-11-04 17:37:38 -0500, Mark Sebree <seb... at (no spam) infionline.net> said:
Mark Sebree
Former US Navy Petty Officer 2nd Class, AT2 (1991 - 1997)
What else but a "Tweety Bird."
At least I joined and served during during a declared war.
And I have never heard that "nick".
I see that you could not actually try to refute anything I said.
Mark Sebree |
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| Ray Fischer... |
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:43 pm |
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Bibon <bibon at (no spam) semper-gumby.org> wrote:
Quote: Word for word from the Big Book of Homosexual Dogma (BBHD).
The favorite tactic of the homophobic bigot is to imagine some gay
conspiracy.
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| Ray Fischer... |
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:45 pm |
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Bibon <bibon at (no spam) semper-gumby.org> wrote:
Quote: On 2009-11-03 00:54:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m14m at (no spam) earthlink.net> said:
"J" <Jvisions at (no spam) live.com> wrote in message
news:38kt7h.ol8.19.1 at (no spam) news.alt.net...
Let the will of the people be law, whatever the results of the referendum
are. Fanatics want the will of the government. It's time for America to
show the world that we are truly a democracy.
http://www.citizenlink.org/CLNews/A000011370.cfm
And many would still vote for segregation if given the chance. Many did
vote amendments to state constitutions during the civil rights movement to
continue segregation. Civil rights and liberties aren't for the ballot box.
They were designed to protect minorities from majority oppression.
But not one of them is based on sexual orientation or who you like to
fuck. Get real, BOY! Blacks and women are not such by choice -- YOU
ARE!
Actual scientific research indicates that you're wrong.
But you bigots cannot handle the truth so you make up lies.
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| Mike... |
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:51 pm |
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On Nov 22, 10:45 pm, Lefty <leftydr... at (no spam) netscape.net> wrote:
Quote: On Nov 22, 5:28 pm, Mike <mgcul... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 9:12 pm, Mark Sebree <seb... at (no spam) infionline.net> wrote:
On Nov 6, 7:56 pm, Mike <mgcul... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 5:37 pm, Mark Sebree <seb... at (no spam) infionline.net> wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:34 pm, Mike <mgcul... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 4, 4:19 pm, Mark Sebree <seb... at (no spam) infionline.net> wrote:
On Nov 4, 9:11 am, Bibon <bi... at (no spam) semper-gumby.org> wrote:
On 2009-11-03 12:49:50 -0500, "Syd M." <pdwrigh... at (no spam) yahoo.com> said:
On Nov 3, 6:39 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:49:40 -0800 (PST), Mark Sebree <seb... at (no spam) infionline.n
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On Nov 2, 10:22 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Let the will of the people be law, whatever the results of the referen
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are. Fanatics want the will of the government.
That would be people like you.
It's time for America to show
the world that we are truly a democracy.
You do not want to face the fact that equal rights should NEVER be
subject to the will of the people, or they are not rights, and the
people are not equal.
The queers ARE equal. They want special rights.
Lying will not help your side, Earl.
Yours seems to have done nothing for your side either since you lost
the BIG ONE <SNIGGER> The idea of homosexual marriage in the US has
gone down in flames..
Not even close. The number of places where same sex marriage is legal
is still growing.
You may know begin to kiss each other's ass good
bye and return to your respective places of abode.
Why? We are still fighting the discrimination and bigotry that you
espouse.
REMEMBER THE MAINE!
We will, and hopefully next time we will win. The votes are getting
closer all the time. Soon, equality will start winning over bigotry
and discrimination.
That's great PR there, alienate everyone who does not enthusiastically
support SSM by calling them bigots.
Good thing I did not do so. It is the bigots, usually from the
extreme right, that are lying to the masses and thus manipulating
them. It is when the lies are exposed that even more people will
realize the truth.
That will win them over to your
side real fast!
BTW, have you any idea how much contempt blacks have for gays trying
to wrap themselves in "civil rights."
Given that it is a case of equality and civil rights, their contempt
is probably misplaced.
Given that 60's civil rights struggle was about the real right to vote
and the fake civil rights fight of today is about having society
redefine what marriage has always meant, I would say their contempt is
well placed.
Then they are not looking deeply enough. Then, as now, it is about
discrimination, being relegated to a second class citizen status, and
being denied rights that one is supposed to have according to the
Constitutional guarantee of equal rights and equal application of the
law to equivalent groups of people.
And by the way, the civil rights fight today is very, very real, and
there is no redefinition involved since the definition of marriage
includes ALL types of marriage, including heterosexual, homosexual,
group, polygamy, polyandry, and others.
I wouldn't be happy either.
But then, you present yourself here as a bigot that wants to deny
homosexuals equal rights.
It really is an insult to them,
since they've dealt with real bigotry.
You mean like the real bigotry that homosexuals deal with? Like the
real denial of rights that homosexuals have to face?
Despite your lies, homosexuals do deal with real bigotry.
Excuse me, where exactly did I lie?
You claimed that they are not fighting a civil rights battle for one.
Or is a lie defined as any
contrarian statement?
Nope. It is defined as a statement that is contrary to the truth and
the facts.
And where is that
Blacks encountered a solid wall of bigotry, Jim
Crow laws, police dogs and fire hoses when they marched, lynchings,
separate schools, drinking fountains, bathrooms, etc. It was
institutionalized throughout society.
See my Amnesty links.
Gays comparing their situation to that of blacks begins with a false
premise, that being skin color=sexual behavior. It does not. Sexual
behavior changes, skin color does not.
How is that relevant?
It's relevant because most intelligent seventh graders can see through
the phony civil rights scam, knowing there is a world of difference
separating the black experience from that of the new, self-proclaimed,
hyper-militant minority. There are immutable, unchanging
characteristics involved with being black that are completely absent
from the homs (you use "hets" so I'm going to use "homs" Is that all
right with you?)
For example:
Being black at birth, being born of black parents, being born in an
easily identified sub-group, often in poverty, whose ancestors were
slaves, unable to conceal what they are, easily identified for
purposes of discriminating against in jobs, education, and kept out of
the voting booth en masse after abolition, lynched many hundreds of
times, terrorized by organized racists intent to keep them down and in
their place, not able to vote and avail themselves of rights those all
around them enjoyed, voting, going to quality schools and colleges,
dining and going into whatever place of business they wished, kept at
their struggle until they got basic things, faced snarling police
dogs, fire hoses, all the time surrounded by a very intimidating,
juggernaut culture of institutionalized racism.
On the other hand gays are born to many races, often to whites, often
in affluence or in the middle class, are not identified as gay by
sight, able to conceal their gayness much easier than a black can
conceal his or her blackness, often attend good schools, vote, have
good jobs. Don't ask for basic things like the blacks did, but demand
that society immediately give them the moon by changing the 5,000 year
old societal custom involved with the pairing of man and woman and
recognition of that couple in the prevailing culture and legal system,
calling everyone bigots for not immediately seeing their way.
I'm not saying that gays do not suffer at the hands of others for
being gay, and I abhor any violence or verbal abuse of gays. However,
there is a huge difference between violence organized against blacks
and the thugs gays will sometimes encounter. Such ones are creeps,
and they deserve the severest punishment allowed.
That said, in aftermath of the Prop 8 vote, I don't recall many gays
cowering. In fact, it seems they were the ones who were acting
thuggish and causing others to cower. If blacks had acted like that
in the 50s and 60s, there doubtless would have been a bunch more heads
cracked. Gays are coddled, spoiled rotten children by comparison.
Quote: Religion can change, too. Does that mean
discrimination on the basis of religion is not "real" bigotry?
So it's
permissible then, to not allow people of certain religions to marry,
by your reasoning.
Quite a tangent, that. You're slamming words into my mouth. Just to
bring you back to earth, we're talking about whether sexual behavior
is equivalent to race. Your definition of discrimination means not
being allowed to change a basic institution of society on a whim.
But to answer your question, no, people of certain religions should
not be prevented from marrying, as long as the marriage is not
polygamy.
Quote: You really are terrible at this.
If you think you are being really witty with those silly ad hominem
attacks of yours, and if you think you will get a rise out of me and
draw me into a tit for tat exchange with you by doing so, think again.
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I didn't say that homosexuals don't encounter some bias for being
gay.
They also encounter discrimination in the law, and are denied equal
rights under the law.
Really, what states will not let gays vote because they are gay?
That is the only right that matters, then? Okay, then why not stop,
say, Catholics from marrying? As long as they can vote, who cares? Why
not let the cops get away with beating them up the way they do gay
people, too?
And if they stop, they would be in danger of
losing the momentum they already have. That is why they have to keep
fighting until they achieve equal rights. In a manner of speaking, to
stop is to die.
Well, they had better get ready to hit a brick wall, because most
people simply are not buying it.
You speak for "most people", do you? Megalomania much?
No. Most people are speaking quite well for themselves, loud and
clear, as in gay marriage getting voted down in all 31 states in which
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