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| old man joe... |
 Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:40 am |
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desiring to be justified by Commandment keeping... but only the 10 Commandments...
the freetruth people violate their own creed by being false witnesses as they condemn all
other's who don't see Commandment keeping as imparting salvation as they do.
they are quick to quote Ps. 119:142, by emotionally driven shouting, of course, all the
while they see in that passage only the 10 Commandments. yet, the law of which God is
speaking of there is the whole Word of God... " the sum of Thy Word is truth. " Ps.
119:160
for this reason, that their bondage to the 10 Commandments is to them the giver of life,
these have not entered His rest, and show this by their Saturday assembly attendance.
they have the bad taste of calling Sunday worshiper's " Sun worshiper's. " because they
attend worship on Saturday's does that make them " Saturn worshiper's ? "
the sum of God's Word is not truth to them, otherwise, they would be taking a long hard
look at Mt. 28:1 where the Sabbath is moved by God to Sunday.
their continuous shouting in print of a verse in which the word " law " is found
demonstrates their emotionally driven conclusion that the reader is to hear them and be so
convicted by them to leave grace behind and in its place, put only 10 of all the
Commandments of God.
an excerpt from their site defining their position that salvation is by good works is
noted here...
" The first step on that narrow path to life is to repent of our sin and accept (receive)
Jesus as our Savior. "
the gospel of co-redemption is their path to righteousness. a direct contradiction of Jn.
1:12,13 from which they quote... man is not saved by the " will of man " is not seen by
them nor any of the co-redeemer's.
why ? because this leaves out all who are not as smart as they such as aborted fetuses,
babies dying at birth, toddler's and the mentally impaired, as is the gospel of the very
denominations these people condemn. puffed up with pride as the Pharisees these will not
give the glory to God for salvation. salvation is viewed as an impossibility for God to
do it alone without man's participation.
these example their again their unbelief when the shout their way through the doctrine of
salvation in that those who are saved are not saved in this life. these use Jn. 3:36 as a
proof text that salvation happens at some time in the future, not in this life. the Word
of God is contrary to such an idea and in a number of ways...
one such way is Eph. 2:8... the verb " saved " is in the past tense, not future tense...
" For by grace you have been saved through faith... " the elect are saved in this life,
and know it. the co-redeemer's are not saved and show it by disbelieving salvation is in
the here and now. the conviction of the Holy Spirit who is given to indwell the elect is
in the here and now. Ro. 8:16
this is why they disbelieve ( which to them is disobedience ) the Word of Christ who
insists " "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. " Jn. 6:47
all verbs are in the continuous present tense.
these illustrate again and again that only the parts of the Bible which direct a person
away from grace and back to the Law are worthwhile.
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| jwsheffield at (no spam) satx.rr.com... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:40 am |
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On Nov 1, 5:57am, Donna Kupp <dk... at (no spam) charter.net> wrote:
Quote: " Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right
to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers,
and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." Revelation
22:14-15
Mt 5:48 - Be ye therefore perfect,
even as your Father which
is in heaven is perfect.
Theodore Beza, The Christian Faith, 1558
We divide this Word into two principal parts or kinds: the one is
called the 'Law,' the other the 'Gospel.' For all the rest can be
gathered under the one or other of these two headings...Ignorance of
this distinction between Law and Gospel is one of the principal
sources of the abuses which corrupted and still corrupt Christianity.
http://homepage.mac.com/shanerosenthal/reformationink/lawgospel.htm
Jim
Heb 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please him:
for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
and that he is a rewarder of them
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| Donna Kupp... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:40 am |
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" Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right
to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers,
and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." Revelation
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| Donna Kupp... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:12 am |
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Quote: Jim quotes:
Heb 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please him:
for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
and that he is a rewarder of them
that diligently seek him.
Donna says: "Amen" and quotes Proverbs 28:9:
" He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer
shall be abomination."
Donna Kupp
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info |
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| jwsheffield at (no spam) satx.rr.com... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:53 am |
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On Nov 1, 1:12pm, Donna Kupp <dk... at (no spam) charter.net> wrote:
Quote: Jim quotes:
Heb 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please him:
for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
and that he is a rewarder of them
that diligently seek him.
Donna says: "Amen" and quotes Proverbs 28:9:
" He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer
shall be abomination."
Donna Kupp
Amen: and I noticed you erased
Beza and where Jesus says you
must be perfect as your Father in Heaven.
Pr 4:13 - Take fast hold of instruction;
let her not go: keep her;
for she is thy life.
Pr 5:12 - And say, How have I hated instruction,
and my heart despised reproof;
Pr 5:23 - He shall die without instruction;
and in the greatness of his folly
he shall go astray.
Pr 6:23 - For the commandment is a lamp;
and the law is light;
and reproofs of instruction
are the way of life:
Pr 8:10 - Receive my instruction,
and not silver; and knowledge
rather than choice gold.
Pr 8:33 - Hear instruction, and be wise,
and refuse it not.
Pr 9:9 - Give instruction to a wise man,
and he will be yet wiser:
teach a just man, and he
will increase in learning.
Pr 10:17 - He is in the way of life
that keepeth instruction:
but he that refuseth reproof erreth.
Pr 12:1 - Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge:
but he that hateth reproof is brutish.
If you are willing to read serious doctrine,
I recommend:
Of the
mortification of sin in believers;
the necessity, nature, and means of it:
with
a resolution of sundry cases of conscience thereunto belonging.
By John Owen, D.D.,
a servant of Jesus Christ in the work of the gospel.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/owen/mort.i.i.html
"We learn from the preface, that it embodies what he had preached with
such acceptance that sundry persons, in whose hearts are the ways of
God, pressed him to publish it. He had a desire also to correct
certain dangerous mistakes into which some preachers or writers of
that day had fallen, who recommended and enforced a process of
mortifying sin which was not conducted on evangelical principles, and
only tended to ensnare the conscience, and foster self-righteousness
and superstition. The directions which our author gives in order to
subdue the power of internal corruption are at the farthest remove
from all the arts and practices of a hollow asceticism. There is no
trace in this work of the morbid and dreamy tone of kindred treatises,
which have emerged from a life of cloistered seclusion. Our authors
knowledge of human nature, in its real elements, and as it appears in
the wide arena of life, is only surpassed by his acquaintance with the
truths of the Word, and their bearing on the experience and workings
of every heart. The reader is made to feel, above all things, that the
only cross on which he can nail his every lust to its utter
destruction, is, not the devices of a self-inflicted maceration, but
the tree on which Christ hung, made a curse for us."
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/owen/mort.i.ii.html
Jim
Tit 2:1 - But speak thou the things
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:52 am |
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On Nov 2, 12:53 am, "jwsheffi... at (no spam) satx.rr.com"
<jwsheffi... at (no spam) satx.rr.com> wrote:
Quote: On Nov 1, 1:12 pm, Donna Kupp <dk... at (no spam) charter.net> wrote:> > Jim quotes:
Heb 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please him:
for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
and that he is a rewarder of them
that diligently seek him.
Donna says: "Amen" and quotes Proverbs 28:9:
" He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer
shall be abomination."
Donna Kupp
Amen: and I noticed you erased
Beza and where Jesus says you
must be perfect as your Father in Heaven.
Pr 4:13 - Take fast hold of instruction;
let her not go: keep her;
for she is thy life.
Pr 5:12 - And say, How have I hated instruction,
and my heart despised reproof;
Pr 5:23 - He shall die without instruction;
and in the greatness of his folly
he shall go astray.
Pr 6:23 - For the commandment is a lamp;
and the law is light;
and reproofs of instruction
are the way of life:
Pr 8:10 - Receive my instruction,
and not silver; and knowledge
rather than choice gold.
Pr 8:33 - Hear instruction, and be wise,
and refuse it not.
Pr 9:9 - Give instruction to a wise man,
and he will be yet wiser:
teach a just man, and he
will increase in learning.
Pr 10:17 - He is in the way of life
that keepeth instruction:
but he that refuseth reproof erreth.
Pr 12:1 - Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge:
but he that hateth reproof is brutish.
If you are willing to read serious doctrine,
I recommend:
Of the
mortification of sin in believers;
the necessity, nature, and means of it:
with
a resolution of sundry cases of conscience thereunto belonging.
By John Owen, D.D.,
a servant of Jesus Christ in the work of the gospel.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/owen/mort.i.i.html
"We learn from the preface, that it embodies what he had preached with
such acceptance that “sundry persons, in whose hearts are the ways of
God,” pressed him to publish it. He had a desire also to correct
certain “dangerous mistakes” into which some preachers or writers of
that day had fallen, who recommended and enforced a process of
mortifying sin which was not conducted on evangelical principles, and
only tended to ensnare the conscience, and foster self-righteousness
and superstition. The directions which our author gives in order to
subdue the power of internal corruption are at the farthest remove
from all the arts and practices of a hollow asceticism. There is no
trace in this work of the morbid and dreamy tone of kindred treatises,
which have emerged from a life of cloistered seclusion. Our author’s
knowledge of human nature, in its real elements, and as it appears in
the wide arena of life, is only surpassed by his acquaintance with the
truths of the Word, and their bearing on the experience and workings
of every heart. The reader is made to feel, above all things, that the
only cross on which he can nail his every lust to its utter
destruction, is, not the devices of a self-inflicted maceration, but
the tree on which Christ hung, made a curse for us."
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/owen/mort.i.ii.html
Jim
Tit 2:1 - But speak thou the things
which become sound doctrine:
Islam sets down clear guidelines as to when war is ethically right and
how such a war should be conducted.
War is decreed in Islam in self defense to defend Islam (rather than
to spread it); Islam also allows war if an Islamic state comes under
attack, or if another state is oppressing its own Muslims.
This indicates that war in Islam is only a mean to ward off aggression
and not a mean to impose Islam as a religion; as some may claim.
Referring to this, Allah Almighty says:
“To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight),
because they are wronged; and verily God is most powerful for their
aid.” Qur’an (22:39)
Also the Holly Qur'an has stressed the fact that war is launched only
to fight for noble motives without seeking any earthly reward: Allah
says:
"Those who readily fight in the cause of God are those who forsake
this world in favor of the Hereafter. Whoever fights in the cause of
God, then gets killed, or attains victory, we will surely grant him a
great recompense." Qur'an (4:74)
War in Islam should be conducted in a disciplined way according to the
principles of Allah’s justice; so as to avoid injuring non-combatants
with the minimum necessary force without anger and with humane
treatments towards prisoners of war because Islam is in favor of peace
and against violence.
The instructions of Islam are to be observed in war and in peace
times. Islamic jurisprudence maintains that whatever is prohibited
during peace is also prohibited during war. War is no excuse to be
lenient with misbehaving troops.
Fighting should be directed only against fighting troops and not to
non- fighting persons, for Islam bans the killing of non-combatants or
of a combatant who has been captured. Also Allah has forbidden Muslim
from attacking wounded soldiers (unless the wounded person is still
fighting).
Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) view of non-combatants is shown by a hadith
in which he (PBUH) saw a woman killed in the battlefield and this was
denounced by the Prophet saying "She did not fight".
Islam adopts an attitude of mercy and caring for the captured enemy,
it prohibits any form of abuse or torture whether physical or sexual
against the enemy.
Previously, it was the custom for the captive to work for his food or
get it through private means then the Qur’an made it a charity to feed
the prisoners and the Prophet (PBUH) urged his Companions to be good
to the captives.
When the Jewish tribe of Bani Qurayzah was in the seizure of the
Muslims, loads of dates were regularly carried to them, with the
Prophet's instructions to ****ter them from the summer sun and to
provide them with water to drink.
According to Islamic law, the captive belongs to the state and not to
his captor. The ruler has the ultimate option, as he sees fit, of
granting freedom or doing that after taking a ransom. An acceptable
ransom that was quite often carried out was to teach ten Muslim
children to read and write. Sometimes captives were exchanged for
Muslim captives in enemy hands.
Captives were set free upon their word of honor not to fight again,
and they should not be ordered by their governments to go to battle
again. If they break their promise, they might be sentenced to death
if they are captured again.
Umarna Ibn-Athal was set free upon his promise not to provide the
enemy with food. This gentle treatment touched the man’s heart and was
then embraced Islam saying to Prophet Mohammad (PBUH):
"There was a time when your face was the most hated face to me, and
there comes a day when it is the most loved.”
Also Islam has emphatically prohibited treachery by taking the enemy
by surprise attack. Recent examples of signing a pact or treaty with a
nation as camouflage to hidden intent to attack it are quite contrary
to Islam. If Muslims sense the treachery of any enemy with whom they
had a treaty, they should cancel with him that treaty before embarking
on war again.
Islamic war was one of liberation and not of compulsion. Prophet
Mohammad (PBUH) and his Companions, May Allah be pleased with them,
never fought to force people to accept Islam. On the contrary, war was
launched to save Muslims living in countries ruled by Non-Muslims, so
as to grant them freedom to practice the religion they’ve chosen. Had
people entered Islam because of force, they would have gone back to
their roots.
It is worth mentioning that when Muslims fought the Romans in Egypt,
the Egyptian Copts sided with and helped Muslims against the Romans
who were Christians like them. This was because Christian Egypt was
suffering religious oppression by the Christian Romans to compel them
to adopt their religious beliefs.
“Treat the prisoners of war kindly.”
No, this is not a statement in the Geneva Conventions summarizing the
rights of POWs. This is the Prophet Muhammad’s instruction to his
Companions more than 1400 years ago. Islam has set down rules for
warfare, detailing when Muslims should fight, whom they should fight,
and how they should fight.
In the time of the Prophet Muhammad, the Muslims set an unprecedented
standard for the ethics of dealing with captured enemies. They treated
prisoners of war in a manner that has yet to be imitated in history.
Islam set the basic rule that the captive is protected by his
captivity and the wounded by his injury.
Islam instructs Muslims either to free captives who cannot offer
ransom (in the form of
money or an *****alent number of Muslim captives) or to ransom
prisoners of war.
Prisoners of war are not to be humiliated or degraded in any way. They
have the right to their human dignity and the right to be protected
from sexual, emotional, and physical abuse. Sufficient health care
should be provided for prisoners who need it. Proper food and clothing
should also be provided, as well as sanitary facilities. The Prophet
also instructed his Companions to ****ter their prisoners from the
summer sun and to provide them with water to drink.
Captives are invited to learn about Islam, but they are under no
pressure whatsoever to convert. [There is no compulsion in religion
(Al-Baqarah 2:256) means that sincerity is an essential requirement of
one’s faith, so, therefore, no one can be coerced to become a Muslim
nor should anyone convert to seek some worldly benefit.
The Qur’an describes the righteous:
And they, though they hold it dear, give sustenance to the indigent,
the orphan and the captive. (Saying) we feed you for the sake of God
alone: no reward do we desire from you, nor thanks. (Al-Insan 76:8-9)
Relating how the Companions complied strictly with the Prophet’s
instructions on treating POWs, one of the prisoners of the Battle of
Badr, Huzayr ibn Humayr, said: “I was with one of the Ansari families,
after being taken as captive. Whenever they had lunch or dinner, they
used to give me preference by providing me with bread while they’d eat
only dates, in compliance with the Prophet’s order to treat prisoners
well.”
Another, Thamama ibn Athal, was taken prisoner and brought to the
Prophet, who said, “Be good to him in his captivity.” When the Prophet
went home, he asked that any food in his house be collected and sent
to Thamama.
Later, the Prophet approached him respectfully and inquired whether
Thamama could ransom himself: “What have you, Thamama?” He replied,
“Actually I have a lot going for me. If you kill me, you kill a man
whose blood will surely be avenged. If you are generous, then you are
generous to a man who knows how to be grateful. If you are after
money, then ask of me whatever amount you like.”
The Prophet left him and on the second day when he approached him,
Thamama said basically the same thing. On the third day, the Prophet
said, “Let Thamama go.”
They unbound him and let him go. He went on his way, quickly took a
bath and returned, declaring, “I bear witness that there is no God but
Allah and I bear witness that you are the Messenger of Allah. O
Muhammad! I swear to Allah that there was no man on the face of the
Earth whom I hated more than you. Now you have become to me the
dearest of men. And I swear by Allah that there was no religion on
earth more loathsome to me than your religion, but now it is the most
beloved to me of all religions. There was no country on earth more
despised by me than your country, yet now I love it more than any
other country in the world.”
The Islamic ethics of treating prisoners of war is part of the whole
system of Islamic ethics, which places utmost importance on the
preservation of human dignity and rights. This principle extends from
the rights of the unborn child to the rights of women, the elderly,
non-Muslims living in a Muslim country, to aggressive enemies captured
as prisoners of war. Each human being has inherent value and
distinction as God’s creation.
Q. Is it justified in Islam to torture a prisoner or an accused person
for the purpose of getting information?
A. This act is totally contradictory to justice and it is unacceptable
by all means. To force an accused or a prisoner to admit to something
is not permitted in Islam, nor is it acceptable from a human point of
view. This act is only accepted by people of no faith, oppressors and
tyrants who want to convert people into slaves. All faiths condemn
this act. The history of Islam shows that the Prophet (peace and
blessings be upon him) used to tell the criminals who came to him
voluntarily admitting their crimes, to repent and seek forgiveness
from Allah.
Torturing prisoners and the accused at the time of investigation in an
attempt to make the accused witness against his own self, are flagrant
violations of human dignity.
Therefore, it is the right of the judge to refuse all information got
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"Over the past two years, there have been about a dozen attempted or
successful honor killings committed in the US"
For what may be the first time ever, a mainstream media outlet
discusses the phenomenon of Islamic honor killings with a modicum of
accuracy: "Muslim unrest hits US homes," by Maureen Callahan for the
New York Post, November 1:
In what may be the first recorded instance of a Muslim wife attempting
to murder her husband for not being pious enough, a Staten Island
woman was charged this week with attempted murder, assault and
criminal possession of a weapon. Rabia Sarwar, a 37-year-old Muslim,
said she did it because her husband, a 41-year-old Pakistani native,
enjoyed booze and pork and wanted her to dress in revealing clothes.
(She held fabric over her face and threw a shawl over her head before
leaving court on Thursday.)
While the Sarwar case is sensational by dint of the role-reversal and
the method of attempted murder (throat-slitting), it's also
pedestrian: Over the past two years, there have been about a dozen
attempted or successful honor killings committed in the US.
Last week in Arizona, an Iraqi-born man tried to kill his 20-year-old
daughter because she wanted out of her arranged marriage; he escaped.
In July, a 17-year-old named Rifqa Bary ran away from home because,
she said, her Muslim family would literally kill her for converting to
Christianity. (She has been ordered by a Florida court to return to
her home state of Ohio, where she will appear before another judge.)
So: Why is there such a recent spate of honor killings in America?
What does it mean when a woman tries to exact the same vengeance
that's been wreaked upon her gender by men for centuries?
"This is not a reverse honor-killing -- it's martyrdom," says Islamic
apostate and activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali, herself the target of death
threats. "It's a ticket for heaven for her, to clear her books. The
only exception that's made for a wife or daughter to disobey her
husband or father is if he forces her to do something that's un-
Islamic. This is a message to other Muslims: 'This man is defying God.
What am I supposed to do?'"
"The vast majority of honor killings do appear to be cases where there
is some attempt to violate or leave [Muslim] cultural norms," says
David Bryan Cook, associate professor of religious studies at Rice
University. "They've been going on in the US and Britain for a number
of years, but in the recent past they've gotten a lot more
publicity."...
Some believe that the sheer vastness of the US has kept such incidents
largely off the radar. "We've not been seeing it yet because our
country's so big," says Amil Imani, who was born in Iran but raised in
the US, and is the founder of Former Muslims United.
He points to the recent killing of a radical imam in Michigan, who
hoped to carve out a separate Islamist state in the Midwest, as
evidence that America has more to worry about than it may be aware.
"Look at what is going on in England, which is almost identical to our
culture," he says. "Stealth jihad is happening in America before our
eyes."
Does Hirsi agree with this assessment?
"Oh yes, oh yes," she says.
"Believe me. Yes. The kind of American Muslim you're seeing now is
changing -- not because America is changing, but because the world is.
Someone from Pakistan is coming here not for freedom, but to escape a
horrible situation. [Once here], they are being radicalized."
Imani also believes that the fear and loathing of the West tends to be
a generational thing; kids born and raised in America by Muslim
immigrants tend to reject such orthodoxy, while older Muslims embrace
it.
"In the privacy of their home, Muslim parents will call every American
woman a prostitute, every man corrupt," Imani says. "People who are 20
and over, who have lived in Muslim countries -- they cannot handle
American culture. This case is very new, very rare. But you haven't
seen anything yet."
No doubt about that.
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