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Elijahovah...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:53 am
Guest
Whether the words of such a speech are true or not, the mere speaking
of such words is like the shocking words Jesus said to devour him and
kill him and eat him up like a Lamb because they are jealous and hate
him, but that it will give life eventually to everyone who has ever
lived. Yes they were shocked and left so they get the reward of
resurrected as wrong ones to be taught again. But those words were a
sorting of sheep and goats not for who lives and how dies, but for who
will live NOW to create a new better world while the others unworthy
of being that start-batch all die. The dividing in the final end, Now?
NO, after 1000 years. That dividing is life and death. But now in our
day and for 2000 years the dividing has sorted and sifted and moved
from Catholics to Protestants to Bapitists to Adventists refining its
way to those worthy to start a new better world that brings all dead
back to life. Those words thus create hate so that those who get
pissed walk off as not of our kind (or the kind, or right kind) to be
of that batch. It is a reward to survive Armageddon, and this is why
you do not sit home when it comes. Even those who grow old and die
after Armageddon because they did not heed the truth, the reality,
that C14 levels in the body must be changed (since discovery in Feb
1985 submiited freely to WT for no cash or profit intent; and yet the
world would have horded such a discovery to profit and become rich
from it), even those who die after Armageddon form this aging that
they did not correct, they must not sit home and die at Armageddon
because they are still needed to motivate and move the young to act on
that march to salvation. Lot's and his daughters almost died because
old mom couldnt get moving along. So if you are old, do not prevent
the march by saying you'll stay behind to die and be resurrected. If
the young and strong do not survive Armageddon by marching out, then
you will not be resurrected because a surviving VOICE in human flesh
to speak in the name of the bride in heaven is required to resurrect.
What Then? shall we have only two survivors to repopulate the next
world, and call forth resurrection. I hope not. Shame on you if you
stay behind just because you are old enough to die after Armageddon.
You are not seeing your worth, even of those who died in Sinai
awaiting their children to go into Canaan.
 
Elijahovah...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:58 am
Guest
Whether the words of such a speech are true or not, the mere speaking
of such words is like the shocking words Jesus said to devour him and
kill him and eat him up like a Lamb because they are jealous and hate
him, but that it will give life eventually to everyone who has ever
lived. Yes they were shocked and left, so they get the reward of
resurrected as wrong ones to be taught again. But those words were a
sorting of sheep and goats not for who lives and how dies, but for
who
will live NOW to create a new better world while the others unworthy
of being that start-batch all die. So this dividing, is now the final
end?
NO, but after 1000 years. That dividing is and will be life and death.
But now in our day and for the past 2000 years
the dividing has sorted and sifted and moved
from Catholics to Protestants to Bapitists to Adventists refining its
way to those worthy to start a new better world that brings all dead
back to life. Those words thus create hate so that those who get
pissed walk off as not of our kind (or the kind, or right kind) to be
of that batch. It is like Gideon who wants no one to die because
they drink water looking into their hand. So he sorts the number
of soldiers to be even less yet in number so they are the best
and few in number. Better to win and have none die using 80 men
than 200 men and have 120 of them die.
It is a reward to survive Armageddon, and this is why
you do not sit home when it comes. Even those who grow old and die
after Armageddon because they did not heed the truth, the reality,
that C14 levels in the body must be changed (since discovery in Feb
1985 submiited freely to WT for no cash or profit intent; and yet the
world would have horded such a discovery to profit and become rich
from it), even those who die after Armageddon from this aging that
they did not correct, they must not sit home and die at Armageddon
because they are still needed to motivate and move the young to act
on
that march to salvation. Lot's and his daughters almost died because
old mom couldnt get moving along. So if you are old, do not prevent
the march by saying you'll stay behind to die and be resurrected. If
the young and strong do not survive Armageddon by marching out, then
you will not be resurrected because a surviving VOICE in human flesh
to speak in the name of the bride in heaven is required to resurrect.
What Then? shall we have only two survivors to repopulate the next
world, and call forth resurrection. I hope not. Shame on you if you
stay behind just because you are old enough to die after Armageddon.
You are not seeing your worth, even of those who died in Sinai
awaiting their children to go into Canaan.
 
¨¨¨SAba*GrAcile¨¨¨¨...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:57 pm
Guest
"Elijahovah" <rschiller at (no spam) wi.rr.com> skrev i melding
news:e1ec1f64-f9fd-4500-8b13-e70aacec6de0 at (no spam) z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
Whether the words of such a speech are true or not, the mere speaking
of such words is like the shocking words Jesus said to devour him and
kill him and eat him up like a Lamb because they are jealous and hate
him, but that it will give life eventually to everyone who has ever
lived. Yes they were shocked and left so they get the reward of
resurrected as wrong ones to be taught again. But those words were a
sorting of sheep and goats not for who lives and how dies, but for who
will live NOW to create a new better world while the others unworthy
of being that start-batch all die. The dividing in the final end, Now?
NO, after 1000 years. That dividing is life and death. But now in our
day and for 2000 years the dividing has sorted and sifted and moved
from Catholics to Protestants to Bapitists to Adventists refining its
way to those worthy to start a new better world that brings all dead
back to life. Those words thus create hate so that those who get
pissed walk off as not of our kind (or the kind, or right kind) to be
of that batch. It is a reward to survive Armageddon, and this is why
you do not sit home when it comes. Even those who grow old and die
after Armageddon because they did not heed the truth, the reality,
that C14 levels in the body must be changed (since discovery in Feb
1985 submiited freely to WT for no cash or profit intent; and yet the
world would have horded such a discovery to profit and become rich
from it), even those who die after Armageddon form this aging that
they did not correct, they must not sit home and die at Armageddon
because they are still needed to motivate and move the young to act on
that march to salvation. Lot's and his daughters almost died because
old mom couldnt get moving along. So if you are old, do not prevent
the march by saying you'll stay behind to die and be resurrected.


Oh dear. You know that the mother was doubtful and
hesitated and in those extreme days there was no attonement
for this sin (but now it is). The only mattering thing is if you
acknowledge this before, during and after Armageddon
so you are saved as long as you do this, because sins
of all nature are in effect attoned through Christ. If the WTS
hadn't warped the whole bible you would've known this.

If
Quote:
the young and strong do not survive Armageddon by marching out, then
you will not be resurrected because a surviving VOICE in human flesh
to speak in the name of the bride in heaven is required to resurrect.
What Then? shall we have only two survivors to repopulate the next
world, and call forth resurrection. I hope not. Shame on you if you
stay behind just because you are old enough to die after Armageddon.
You are not seeing your worth, even of those who died in Sinai
awaiting their children to go into Canaan.

If you think you're not worthy of Gods protection
then this is a weakness someone has put into your mind
that also is very much attoned for. YOu've been subjected
to the WTS creep and anxt mentality, where faith is impossible.

Saba
>
 
Elijahovah...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:11 pm
Guest
Quote:
If you think you're not worthy of Gods protection
then this is a weakness someone has put into your mind
that also is very much attoned for. YOu've been subjected
to the WTS creep and anxt mentality, where faith is impossible.
Saba

What you say is irrelevent to what I said. You could of course clear
yourself of blame saying it's not your fault I am not clear. Or you
could even go further and put blame on me for the shallow replies you
give me. You heard nothing I said in what I wrote. The Father excepts
no one except thru his Son, because his Son existed as the first being
ever created. But even if his Son had not been created first, so that
all things are thru him, the fact remains that from Adam to Abel to
Enoch the father of Noah, the father of Shem as father of Abram and
father of Moses... every Christ that Jehovah revealed knowledge to
then required all men to listen to that christ to learn what Jehovah
was showing all men thru that christ. What they knew we had to learn
becaus ethey had already learned it before us. So then do we learn it
from them, or do we be like Eve and wait to learn it on our own so we
can say it came directly from Jehovah to us and not thru someone else
who proved to be a better listener, and better earlier listener. Saba,
you are not a listener. Not at all. You are an intervener to stir
trouble not matter which religion you wish to do in, or which
neighbor, or which government, you stand all by yourself as self-saved
and the one not to be taught but rather to teach all others. You will
die because Jehovah gives to the Christ, but you ignore that the
Christ gives first to his bride, second to his children. And he gives
to his children thru his bride. He is not direct, as father Jesus to
child because he has a good wife who is doing it as she ought to for
her children, she loves her children. It is the children who misapply
the governing guidance and rule man over man. Elders make decisions
that the GB tells them not to be making. They don't listen, I have
experience this many times in watching others get axed until I decided
Satan had won and I allowed myself to get axed and cut off the way
Jesus was for lies just by dropping the issue and letting them kill as
they wanted to; it was their sole desire to have me killed, and would
say so in private, and deny it in public. Saba, I have my worth. I
swore I am no harm to that bride, and that I would even give my life
to ussher her into her wedding, and those events started to guarantee
the path that would make that happen... even though in 1983 I was
condemned for saying Armageddon will not come before 1997; and even
though I then cursed myself and God to die in 1997 because I didnt
want the alternative 2009 to be true (I refused to wait, and I made
true what my mother always accused me of... look in the mirror, hate
yourself, hate your looks, so in spite you make it worse and bite your
nose off to spite your face). Fool I was, fool I am, yet Jehovah's
Elijah is here, and his bride is now called to Jesus. WAKE UP. This is
it. It will come fast in the next few days.
 
¨¨¨SAba*GrAcile¨¨¨¨...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:46 pm
Guest
"Elijahovah" <rschiller at (no spam) wi.rr.com> skrev i melding
news:b0f7f90e-cca2-47a3-88f5-79b045d5bb02 at (no spam) l34g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
If you think you're not worthy of Gods protection
then this is a weakness someone has put into your mind
that also is very much attoned for. YOu've been subjected
to the WTS creep and anxt mentality, where faith is impossible.
Saba

What you say is irrelevent to what I said. You could of course clear
yourself of blame saying it's not your fault I am not clear. Or you
could even go further and put blame on me for the shallow replies you
give me. You heard nothing I said in what I wrote. The Father excepts
no one except thru his Son, because his Son existed as the first being
ever created. But even if his Son had not been created first, so that
all things are thru him, the fact remains that from Adam to Abel to
Enoch the father of Noah, the father of Shem as father of Abram and
father of Moses... every Christ that Jehovah revealed knowledge to
then required all men to listen to that christ to learn what Jehovah
was showing all men thru that christ. What they knew we had to learn
becaus ethey had already learned it before us. So then do we learn it
from them, or do we be like Eve and wait to learn it on our own so we
can say it came directly from Jehovah to us and not thru someone else
who proved to be a better listener, and better earlier listener. Saba,
you are not a listener. Not at all. You are an intervener to stir
trouble not matter which religion you wish to do in, or which
neighbor,

-You can be sure I am stirring trouble for humanity destroying
cults and organisations, and power
monger religions like the JW's and
other terror regimes existing.

or which government, you stand all by yourself as self-saved
Quote:
and the one not to be taught but rather to teach all others. You will
die because Jehovah gives to the Christ, but you ignore that the
Christ gives first to his bride, second to his children. And he gives
to his children thru his bride. He is not direct, as father Jesus to
child because he has a good wife who is doing it as she ought to for
her children, she loves her children. It is the children who misapply
the governing guidance and rule man over man. Elders make decisions
that the GB tells them not to be making. They don't listen, I have
experience this many times in watching others get axed until I decided
Satan had won and I allowed myself to get axed and cut off the way
Jesus was for lies just by dropping the issue and letting them kill as
they wanted to; it was their sole desire to have me killed, and would
say so in private, and deny it in public. Saba, I have my worth. I
swore I am no harm to that bride, and that I would even give my life
to ussher her into her wedding, and those events started to guarantee
the path that would make that happen... even though in 1983 I was
condemned for saying Armageddon will not come before 1997; and even
though I then cursed myself and God to die in 1997 because I didnt
want the alternative 2009 to be true (I refused to wait, and I made
true what my mother always accused me of... look in the mirror, hate
yourself, hate your looks, so in spite you make it worse and bite your
nose off to spite your face). Fool I was, fool I am, yet Jehovah's
Elijah is here, and his bride is now called to Jesus. WAKE UP. This is
it. It will come fast in the next few days.

I listen to what you say. But one can hardly follow the
lack of structure in the things you say, and your frantic and
panicdriven "faith" that is embedded in it. Which not something
I envy you.

But it comes from terror regimes like the WTSociety and
such (although they're the worst, calculating on the end
times to beat God to it. Wondering if they're lucky to
die in an accident before Armageddon, to be resurrected.
Or other tactics to survive
which is so foreign to Christs true believers, you can't even
imagine. Not until your FREED from the hysterical JW mind
set anyway. This is the damage that hold people in pain and
stress for years and years after they physically left the Org.
These are the abused ones that the bible talks about, they
are His followers that are hit and abused and can't get away.
These are the ones that truly need the free gift of Gods
mercy right now.

Think about it, if you were Satan wouldn't you want
believers to fear God in the most unhealthy way?
They can't fear and love Him if the fear is so substantial
and the faith is so little, and their worth is so conditional
that they can't even dare to think for themselves for one
second. They think they are thinking for themselves,
but they are held in it's grip anyway. Mentally they
can't leave, they're stuck. All the anxiety and warped
view and lack of Mercy Gospel is the evidence they're
not healthy christians. They are sucked dry and can't
hold up when the time comes. May God have mercy
on the beaten sheep.

Saba
 
Saba_gracile...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:57 am
Guest
On 26 Okt, 13:28, Elijahovah <rschil... at (no spam) wi.rr.com> wrote:
Quote:
YOU are very much wrapped up into beleiving each individual at a
Kingdom Hall are all exact copies molded by a way that the WatchTower
expects you to be. This is not so; there are many who know how to
survive the atmosphere in their silent humility waiting on Jehovah to
eventually make the correct path. You try to pave that path for
Jehovah, taking it away from Him whose right it is. YOU are the ones
who followed Jesus around saying he was acting on things he ought not
to, and saying he ought to act on things he was not acting on. YOU
rule Jesus instead of letting Jesus rule. This is all about your hurt
pride which is ALL way too wrong whether you were in the right or
wrong, it is not for you to put it on others. If you were wrong, it is
not your business to drag others with you, and if you were right, what
is it with you that makes it a requirement for all to see that right
of yours, or to punish or force those wrong to see your way, or have
eyes forced open.

We all have a responsibility to protect agains religious abuse,
even if thinking that they are chosing it themselves, which in fact
they are not really, as brainwash and mind control is a deep
afflicting
wound that not only hurts themselves, but the politics of that
org is hurting others around them as well. They are trained liars,
lying to themselves, abusing themselves, others and are
generally not of the true bible. This is emotional terrorism, and
if you think that is fine, then you are enabling and contributing
to it in "humility" or silence, which is omittance sin. Jesus didn't
omit, he told the abusing pharisearans exactly what they deserved.
Love for manmade rules and power, not of Christ or true love, or
spirit. He told everybody to spite them, even if they mechanically
followed Gods old laws. It was not enough, and they were abusive.
See the picture?

Nice try blaming the messenger.
But these people are under unjust control, and it is not freedom
of religion or anything else noble.
This is our job, to follow Jesus in setting them free with the
TRUTH.

SAba
 
Saba_gracile...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:03 am
Guest
On 27 Okt, 14:57, Saba_gracile <veronique... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On 26 Okt, 13:28, Elijahovah <rschil... at (no spam) wi.rr.com> wrote:

YOU are very much wrapped up into beleiving each individual at a
Kingdom Hall are all exact copies molded by a way that the WatchTower
expects you to be. This is not so; there are many who know how to
survive the atmosphere in their silent humility waiting on Jehovah to
eventually make the correct path. You try to pave that path for
Jehovah, taking it away from Him whose right it is. YOU are the ones
who followed Jesus around saying he was acting on things he ought not
to, and saying he ought to act on things he was not acting on. YOU
rule Jesus instead of letting Jesus rule. This is all about your hurt
pride which is ALL way too wrong whether you were in the right or
wrong, it is not for you to put it on others. If you were wrong, it is
not your business to drag others with you, and if you were right, what
is it with you that makes it a requirement for all to see that right
of yours, or to punish or force those wrong to see your way, or have
eyes forced open.

We all have a responsibility to protect agains religious abuse,
even if thinking that they are chosing it themselves, which in fact
they are not really, as brainwash and mind control is a deep
afflicting
wound that not only hurts themselves, but the politics of that
org is hurting others around them as well. They are trained liars,
lying to themselves, abusing themselves, others and are
generally not of the true bible. This is emotional terrorism, and
if you think that is fine, then you are enabling and contributing
to it in "humility" or silence, which is omittance sin. Jesus didn't
omit, he told the abusing pharisearans exactly what they deserved.
Love for manmade rules and power, not of Christ or true love, or
spirit. He told everybody to spite them, even if they mechanically
followed Gods old laws. It was not enough, and they were abusive.
See the picture?

Nice try blaming the messenger.
But these people are under unjust control, and it is not freedom
of religion or anything else noble.
This is our job, to follow Jesus in setting them free with the
TRUTH.

SAba

Btw, if you have to "survive the atmosphere" in a religious
environment that's a clue right there you're in a wrong place.
Christians should feel relieved being gathered, not suffocated
and mindnumbed to the unrecognizable.

Saba
 
 
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