An Coibhi Drui wrote:
On Oct 22, 3:33 am, Kent <kent... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 21, 2:12 pm, "Searles O'Dubhain" <odubhai... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 9:23 am, Kent <kent... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 1:00 am, "Searles O'Dubhain" <odubhai... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

Genetics and training are the two pillars of intellect and hence
also play a part in the Druid way along with spirit.

A genetic disposition for Druidry?

kindly elaborate.

Intelligence, attitudes and psychic abilities. These are also
influenced by training, conditioning and environment. Irish belief
is that reincarnation and spirit pass down along family lines.

Searles O'Dubhain

Sorry, have to disagree on that first part.

According to an article in Science Creative Quarterly;
"There remains a lack of scientific precision for the definition of
intelligence, although many scientists use the psychometric
definition, g (general cognitive ability). Whether nature or nurture
influences intelligence remains a matter of debate between
geneticists and environmentalists, and sits at about 50/50."

So, it's undecided as to whether "nature" (genes) or
"nurture" (environment) play the bigger role in intelligence. As
well, attitude is a "nurture" response, not a genetic one. Even
though I do believe in psychic abilities, until they can show us the
exact genes that relate to them, I feel that they're a latent
ability in all humans, not just a "select few".

Really, Dan ?

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We are here in Ireland indebted to your General deChastelain of the
Canadian Army who expertly arranged the de-commisioning and breaking--
up of tons of IRA weapons, voluntarily handed up, it must be said,

Michael Magrath <photog.magr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in news:18fd0bca-d879-
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We are here in Ireland indebted to your General deChastelain of the
Canadian Army who expertly arranged the de-commisioning and breaking--
up of tons of IRA weapons, voluntarily handed up, it must be said,

Thanks, but, as you say it is the voluntary handing up of weapons by both
sides that should be applauded. All that was done by the Canadians is just
glorified paperwork. At the time, it was vital paperwork, and it needed to
be done by an "outsider" who could be trusted by both sides. Don't
shortchange the importance of the actions of your own countrymen! In any
case, that's the sort of thing that's best to leave up to Canadians.

On Oct 22, 3:33 am, Kent <kent... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 21, 2:12 pm, "Searles O'Dubhain" <odubhai... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:





On Oct 21, 9:23 am, Kent <kent... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 1:00 am, "Searles O'Dubhain" <odubhai... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

Genetics and training are the two pillars of intellect and hence
also play a part in the Druid way along with spirit.

A genetic disposition for Druidry?

kindly elaborate.

Intelligence, attitudes and psychic abilities. These are also
influenced by training, conditioning and environment. Irish belief
is that reincarnation and spirit pass down along family lines.

Searles O'Dubhain

Sorry, have to disagree on that first part.

According to an article in Science Creative Quarterly;
"There remains a lack of scientific precision for the definition of
intelligence, although many scientists use the psychometric
definition, g (general cognitive ability). Whether nature or nurture
influences intelligence remains a matter of debate between
geneticists and environmentalists, and sits at about 50/50."

So, it's undecided as to whether "nature" (genes) or
"nurture" (environment) play the bigger role in intelligence. As
well, attitude is a "nurture" response, not a genetic one. Even
though I do believe in psychic abilities, until they can show us the
exact genes that relate to them, I feel that they're a latent
ability in all humans, not just a "select few".


Really, Dan ?

On Oct 21, 9:23 am, Kent <kent... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 1:00 am, "Searles O'Dubhain" <odubhai... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Genetics and training are the two pillars of intellect and hence also
play a part in the Druid way along with spirit.

A genetic disposition for Druidry?

kindly elaborate.

Intelligence, attitudes and psychic abilities. These are also
influenced by training, conditioning and environment. Irish belief is
that reincarnation and spirit pass down along family lines.

Searles O'Dubhain

On Oct 21, 8:01 pm, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

Really, Dan ?

Yes, George.

Akins of that Ilk wrote:





On Oct 23, 8:03 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Akins of that Ilk <stevenak... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:

On Oct 23, 3:36 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Actually I don’t think you get where I am coming from. The whole of
existence is sacred (not divine! Sacred).  The idea of creating the
sacred is a hangover in Neopaganism form Ceremonial magicians who
had
a hand involved in the early founding fathers

The idea of creating the sacred goes back well before the beginings of
the Neopagan movement - in fact it goes back to our own prehistoric
Neolithic period when sacred spaces were created or defined by our
ancestors at sites such as Stonehenge, Avebury, Callanish, Steness and
Newgrange. The earliest sacred spaces were the natural caves and
caverns, like Trois Feres and Altimira - which were symbolic wombs of
the great Earth Mother, ritual chambers where the wished for could be
inacted with the expectation of achieving the same effect in the
mundane world. Later, our ancestors constructed their own sacred
chambers in the form of the barrows and burgs, the hollow hills or
sidhe, which are found throughout the areas inhabited primarily by the
R1b genetic haplogroup - the ancestors of the Keltoi or Celts. Still
later the barrows gave way to massive open-air temples as our
ancestral culture emerged from, the womb of the earth mother and
turned its gaze up towards the heavens where the sky stretched out
across all the earth in a vast, limitless expanse of wonder.

Gods above Steven you've got ticbe kidding. The builders of the various
megalithic sites were a culture far different than the celts and
hundreds of years divorced from them. Further Rey abandoned using them.

You do not know what you are talking about wrt genetics either. There is
NO Celtic gentic marker.- Hide quoted text -

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I am not referring to the Gallic tribes that modern academians
misidentify as "Celtic" - I am talking about the true Celts - the
aboriginal, indigenous inhabitants of Westernmost Europe, who all the
ancients knew as a distinct and separate people from the later Gallic
invaders of Scythian origin who came to settle among them.

Saxons are the "Invades which Gaelic allied with the Britons to Fight.
Gaelic's were in IRELAND "BEFORE" the CELTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Scythians, "Wander", back and Forth.
But the "Red Eye of the Ram", was "GAELIC", before "CELTIC" ever existed in
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On Oct 23, 8:03 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Akins of that Ilk <stevenak... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:





On Oct 23, 3:36 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Actually I don’t think you get where I am coming from. The whole of
existence is sacred (not divine! Sacred).  The idea of creating the
sacred is a hangover in Neopaganism form Ceremonial magicians who
had
a hand involved in the early founding fathers

The idea of creating the sacred goes back well before the beginings of
the Neopagan movement - in fact it goes back to our own prehistoric
Neolithic period when sacred spaces were created or defined by our
ancestors at sites such as Stonehenge, Avebury, Callanish, Steness and
Newgrange. The earliest sacred spaces were the natural caves and
caverns, like Trois Feres and Altimira - which were symbolic wombs of
the great Earth Mother, ritual chambers where the wished for could be
inacted with the expectation of achieving the same effect in the
mundane world. Later, our ancestors constructed their own sacred
chambers in the form of the barrows and burgs, the hollow hills or
sidhe, which are found throughout the areas inhabited primarily by the
R1b genetic haplogroup - the ancestors of the Keltoi or Celts. Still
later the barrows gave way to massive open-air temples as our
ancestral culture emerged from, the womb of the earth mother and
turned its gaze up towards the heavens where the sky stretched out
across all the earth in a vast, limitless expanse of wonder.

Gods above Steven you've got ticbe kidding. The builders of the various
megalithic sites were a culture far different than the celts and
hundreds of years divorced from them. Further Rey abandoned using them.

You do not know what you are talking about wrt genetics either. There is
NO Celtic gentic marker.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am not referring to the Gallic tribes that modern academians
misidentify as "Celtic" - I am talking about the true Celts - the
aboriginal, indigenous inhabitants of Westernmost Europe, who all the
ancients knew as a distinct and separate people from the later Gallic
invaders of Scythian origin who came to settle among them.

On Oct 24, 2:18 am, Akins of that Ilk <stevenak... at (no spam) bellsouth.net
wrote:
On Oct 23, 8:03 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:





Akins of that Ilk <stevenak... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:

On Oct 23, 3:36 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Actually I don’t think you get where I am coming from. The whole of
existence is sacred (not divine! Sacred).  The idea of creating the
sacred is a hangover in Neopaganism form Ceremonial magicians who
had
a hand involved in the early founding fathers

The idea of creating the sacred goes back well before the beginings of
the Neopagan movement - in fact it goes back to our own prehistoric
Neolithic period when sacred spaces were created or defined by our
ancestors at sites such as Stonehenge, Avebury, Callanish, Steness and
Newgrange. The earliest sacred spaces were the natural caves and
caverns, like Trois Feres and Altimira - which were symbolic wombs of
the great Earth Mother, ritual chambers where the wished for could be
inacted with the expectation of achieving the same effect in the
mundane world. Later, our ancestors constructed their own sacred
chambers in the form of the barrows and burgs, the hollow hills or
sidhe, which are found throughout the areas inhabited primarily by the
R1b genetic haplogroup - the ancestors of the Keltoi or Celts. Still
later the barrows gave way to massive open-air temples as our
ancestral culture emerged from, the womb of the earth mother and
turned its gaze up towards the heavens where the sky stretched out
across all the earth in a vast, limitless expanse of wonder.

Gods above Steven you've got ticbe kidding. The builders of the various
megalithic sites were a culture far different than the celts and
hundreds of years divorced from them. Further Rey abandoned using them.

You do not know what you are talking about wrt genetics either. There is
NO Celtic gentic marker.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am not referring to the Gallic tribes that modern academians
misidentify as "Celtic" - I am talking about the true Celts - the
aboriginal, indigenous inhabitants of Westernmost Europe, who all the
ancients knew as a distinct and separate people from the later Gallic
invaders of Scythian origin who came to settle among them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

yes, Akins, a culture in Ireland that we can trace back thousands of
years BC, from whece the Druids sprang - and taught the Celts of Gaul
millennia later their ABC, after they had taught the Egyptians to
align the pyramids and were known as gods and goddesses of Olympus by
the ancient Greeks....from the West unto the East.

Cheers,
Michael .

On Oct 23, 8:07 am, Akins of that Ilk <stevenak... at (no spam) bellsouth.net
wrote:
On Oct 23, 6:01 am, "Searles O'Dubhain" wrote:

It is spirit that makses a place sacred. Tradition can embue a place
with spirit but sometimes spirit and spirit alone make the land
sacred. It is a matter of what Seán O'Tuathail called "brí and
bua." (active and inherent power).

Spirit....yes, in a sense; but knowledge of a more physical
connection as well. Understanding that generations of one's
ancestors lived in a particular place, that they built their homes
and made their livings and raised their children on that land; that
their bones lie buried in it's soil so that they have become part of
the land - that is what truly makes it sacred.

Dear Gods.... how human centric of you.

On Oct 23, 7:09 pm, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

Or maybe the gods experience through us , perhaps that is our purpose,
and nothing else  .

We are the video games of the gods IMO.  At least that's how some
mythologies portray us and them. I see it more like the beings in the
movies are watching us from the other side of the screen and every now
and then they take over one of our characters. It's a rare occasion
when one of us projects into their own realm. Our offerings are more
like fan mail and their response are often times an autographed stock
photo. :-)

But not always.

Searles O'Dubhain

An Coibhi Drui wrote:

( A monotheist may insert ' God' instead of ' gods' into all such
observances from me )

I could swear a while ago you insisted that "Real Irish Druids" [Tm.]
don't believe in any gods plural; never have? Could have been while
sucking up to Jim or some time later.

Public consumption ey Nutty.    PR?

Speaking of PR... I don't see you commenting on your Puppetmaster's fine
cross-shaped villa with the two tennis courts? Too close for comfort?

Byrne.M.James wrote:

IMO the story of the curse of St. Ruadan is just a folk memory way of
explaining why the site was abandoned. Diarmuid Mac
Cearbhaill was supposedly a part of a pagan revival in the 6th century
he probably just got tacked on to the story because of that.

Priceless. "pagan revival in the 6th century"

Where I come from, those Irish Culdees in the 6th C. were still hard at
work trying to convert the native heathen population the first time around.

Akins of that Ilk wrote



Spirit....yes, in a sense; but knowledge of a more physical connection
as well. Understanding that generations of one's ancestors lived in a
particular place, that they built their homes and made their livings
and raised their children on that land; that their bones lie buried in
it's soil so that they have become part of the land - that is what
truly makes it sacred.

That's Jasper Alabama for a lump of coal like you, Stevie

No need to get overly excited and pretentious about a former
homeland your ancestors long ago abandoned.